Why doesn't everyone hate the warrior of light?

I mean, he's better than you at everything.

Imagine you're one of the millions of people in Eorzea.

You're captain of the guard, then this guy comes along and in a day does your job better than you do.

You've worked as a chef your whole life and in a week this guy is cooking for the sultana.

Noone buys your furniture anymore, cause this guy can churn out 100 desks an hour, make from organs taken from gods.

Haha, good point. xD I think this'd be like hating Jesus or other religios figures, though - the Warrior(s) of Light is essentially Hydaelyn's chosen who will deliver the people from evil, furniture monopoly be damned. ;)

It's because we are primals and we temper everyone we meet.

I think we are due for a "everything goes to shit, for real" scenario. WoD beats the piss out of us, triggering loss of faith in our ability to steamroll everything.

There are a few elements at play here. Though some may not RP it, the Warrior of Light is presented in the story as a pretty humble individual. We don't brag, we don't act as though we are better than everyone and we are willing to do simple tasks to help average people out. We will go out of our way to help a poor refugee as quickly as we will lend aid to a king.

There is bound to be jealousy, but at the end of the day we are just damn nice. It makes us hard to hate. The times that really changes is if your exploiting others since chances are we will mess up everything for you.

I can see the WoD beating us at some point which might give people a crisis of faith in the WoL but I don't see that breaking the WoL. S/he has show tenacity already. It will probably take more than one beating and people doubting to drag the WoL down.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

It's because we are primals and we temper everyone we meet.

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We aren't primals cause it's easy to detect a primal. The Scions have methods to detect them and on top of that they give out a particular signature which is why we were sure Moggle Mog and Shiva were primals.

On top of that tempering isn't a passive ability. Primals have to actively temper people. We saw this in both our interactions with Ifrit and Garuda and it matches Koji Fox's info on how the Company of Heroes fought Titan and Leviathan. They effectively had a wave 'absorb' the tempering and then used a second wave to occupy the freshly tempered first wave while a third wave attacked and took down Leviathan. Such a tactic could only work if Leviathan couldn't just spam tempering.

"100 desks an hour" An hour of their time is only two minutes and fifty five seconds for us. I don't. That aside, not everyone is the type of person to get mad when someone is better than them at something. In fact, that's not even most people. Add on the fact that we help the majority of people for practically free and well, how could they hate you. We downed Ifrit for 283 gil. WE MURDERED A PRIMAL FOR 283 GIL! Oh and some crappy wrist guard.

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Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

"100 desks an hour" An hour of their time is only two minutes and fifty five seconds for us. I don't. That aside, not everyone is the type of person to get mad when someone is better than them at something. In fact, that's not even most people. Add on the fact that we help the majority of people for practically free and well, how could they hate you. We downed Ifrit for 283 gil. WE MURDERED A PRIMAL FOR 283 GIL! Oh and some crappy wrist guard.

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i don't know, that 238 gil was a lot for what was on my person at that time...and i used that wristguard for a while.

wait, whaddya mean i should have levelled a crafter?!?


I'm not to worried about people hating me op. If i'm being hated i'm doing my job right.

If the Whitebrim soldiers couldn't hate us after the drk50 quest, how can normal people?

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Originally Posted by PArcher

If the Whitebrim soldiers couldn't hate us after the drk50 quest, how can normal people?

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To be fair, that was an exceptional circumstance.

... but yeah, nobody consciously hates you except bandits because you constantly pull their asses out of the fire.

And this is the reason why the Leatherwork crafting story quest (1-50) is my favorite, simply because the guild master doesn't cover you in praises when you turn in your very first craft, she is the first one (and only?) that made me feel somehow like a normal crafter/person, telling us quest by quest that we are making progress while still criticizing our work, instead of doing like the others and crying by how gifted we are and saving their life. Honestly I felt bad for that poor hyur NPC in the Bismark that works so much more than us and yet we're always better.

I really wish SE would continue working more on giving us a 'choice' reply more often, even if it doesn't change the story just making me feel like my character is less of a perfect saint would be great imo :/

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

I think we are due for a "everything goes to shit, for real" scenario. WoD beats the piss out of us, triggering loss of faith in our ability to steamroll everything.

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An anime rule: The hero must lose the first fight, against a new villain.

Though beating the piss out of us would probably be a stretch. Getting the upper hand through deceit, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

and we are willing to do simple tasks to help average people out.

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I agree with that. We even go out of our way to help some Doman children have a little adventure, of their own.

Economy wise they couldn't hate us because we don't have a local presence and sell through retainers. They may hate "Sebastianthebutler", but not you.

We don't buy out the local supply of dhalmel leather, we go out there and kill dhalmels until we find one with a circle of skin big enough that wasn't marred by our handiwork.

Though im wondering how the hell the mb hasnt killed local markets or changed society drastically what with all the allagan stuff.

This is probably the thing that most bugs me about G'raha Tia in the Crystal Tower storyline. (Yes, I'm talking about him again, but hear me out.)

He spends the entire time talking about how amazing you are, berates himself constantly for not being able to do more, and drops to his knees in outright despair at his uselessness after leaving the World of Darkness. By sealing himself in the tower at the end, he acknowledges his own inability to affect any sort of positive change in the present, becoming, in his own words, "nothing more than a vessel for Doga and Unei's blood." To the very end, the point of his character is to tell the Warrior of Light how great they are, but he only ever does it by putting himself down. It's supposed to be meant as hopeful, him finding something only he can do, but symbolically it's also an act of suicide born of despair.

Yay for happy endings?

i hate how ishgards treat the warrior of light it's like OMG i saved your nation from a dravania conspiracy, rooted out a heretic disguise as an inquisitor , helped all your knights and citizens, and saved your city from a HUGE dragon on your bridge and you still won't let me in till i seek refuge simply cause you don't trust outsiders.

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Originally Posted by PogueX

i hate how ishgards treat the warrior of light it's like OMG i saved your nation from a dravania conspiracy, rooted out a heretic disguise as an inquisitor , helped all your knights and citizens, and saved your city from a HUGE dragon on your bridge and you still won't let me in till i seek refuge simply cause you don't trust outsiders.

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I didn't mind this as much-it added to the picture that something wasn't right in Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by SirPhoebos

I didn't mind this as much-it added to the picture that something wasn't right in Ishgard.

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I got over it once i started being called "Mistress Etoile".^^

I guess if there was one thing that irks me personally, its linking Kallera to prophecy. I do get it, chosen one and all that, i guess im more of a fan of stories where Kallera is there cause Kallera decided to help or Kallera is doing a job for real people, rather than "Kallera is acting in the interests of intangible giant crystals."

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Originally Posted by Fenral

This is probably the thing that most bugs me about G'raha Tia in the Crystal Tower storyline. (Yes, I'm talking about him again, but hear me out.)

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Yay for happy endings?

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Your personal obsession with G'raha aside, valid point, but that's going a bit deeper than XIV seems to do.

... unless you look at the DRK 30-50 storyline, which actually gets a bit psychological. People like G'raha don't consciously hate us, but beneath the mask of civility and humbleness they probably despise us for being an untouchable idol everyone looks up to, who can do anything they can do better and then some.

"Some vagabond blew into town 3 months ago, and not only is s/he now taking on imperial elites but s/he's also the protegé of the infamous Geva? How in the world is that possible?! I've been a guard here in Gridania my whole life, but I can't do either of those things..."

Again, though, even if they subconsciously hate our guts we pull everyone out of the fire time and again, so they consciously accept us because of how useful we are. Sentimentality aside, nobody really cares for us except as a weapon to point at whatever problem they have, something our Shadow gladly points out.

What does it say in the lvl 40 drk quest. On a throne of bones he/she waits. Serve, slave, save, slay. Yeah we're the all around good guy...

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I got over it once i started being called "Mistress Etoile".^^

I guess if there was one thing that irks me personally, its linking Kallera to prophecy. I do get it, chosen one and all that, i guess im more of a fan of stories where Kallera is there cause Kallera decided to help or Kallera is doing a job for real people, rather than "Kallera is acting in the interests of intangible giant crystals."

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To be fair, figures like the Warrior of Light seem to pop up regularly in the World's history, so saying that another hero would appear isn't quite predicting tonight's lotto.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Your personal obsession with G'raha aside, valid point, but that's going a bit deeper than XIV seems to do.

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Well, as long as I got you to gush about Dark Knight, again, it's all good. ;)

This game has moments where it's almost self aware enough to realize it's hero archetype is an unrealistic myth, even scary at times, but at the end of the day, it still tries to be a power fantasy about how great, you, the hero are, and the vast majority of the characters we meet exist solely to reinforce your greatness, to the great detriment of their own development as characters and human beings. That so many players were glad to see the Scions go at the end of 2.55 only goes to show how far in that direction FFXIV had gone by that point.

Heavensward seems like it wants to break away from that, but looks can be deceiving, and like many things, it is simply too early to tell for sure. But there's always hope...

To be fair about the crafting example, it's implied a lot of time passes over the duration of a questline... and if we go by strict examples of in-game time, it actually takes us a LOT of time to do stuff, considering every hour spent is about a day in-game. Especially if you count time logged out.

I still can't get over Gaius' words in Pretorium. How the Twelve are no diffrent from the Primals, how The Allience members can't save their own skins let alone the entier relm, and how ultimatly even thr Scions seem to be using us mearly as a sword to be wielded instead of the sentient beings we are.

The Dark Knight Quest only sends these thoughts home as it is shown we truely don't apreciate being used as a weapon but simply allow it due to our nature and role as Hydaelyn's Champion, the Warrior of Light.

I hope Gaius made it out of The Preatorium Alive as bad as Fenral wants to Get G'raha out of The Crystal Tower. Because I'll always believe that under diffrent circumstances Gaius could have been an ally.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

We aren't primals cause it's easy to detect a primal.

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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

I like when people act like everything happened in a really short amount of time, when really even in the in-game time, things are much longer than real time.

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Originally Posted by Zari

I like when people act like everything happened in a really short amount of time, when really even in the in-game time, things are much longer than real time.

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We've done the count before, from our arival in Eorzea to our victory at Azys Lla is at most 9 months. We havn't even been WoL for a full year yet thanks to that pesky time bubble.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Well, as long as I got you to gush about Dark Knight, again, it's all good. ;)

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Heavensward seems like it wants to break away from that, but looks can be deceiving, and like many things, it is simply too early to tell for sure. But there's always hope...

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I think it's working its way towards self-awareness, if only in pockets and small pieces. DRK line gets very self-aware, and not only does Thordan freak out over our impossible strength but even Y'shtola seems to be questioning how what we do is even possible. We are basically hope incarnate, and despite everyone thinking that's the best thing ever it might not necessarily be... they do seem to be setting things up for a major wham episode with the Warrior(s) of Darkness coming into the picture.

Even taking out the "if we die they might summon a Primal in our image" bit, our ridiculous power is wont to breed jealousy and fear. People want to be as strong as we are, but without the Goddess' blessing it's simply impossible, leading them to despair over their powerlessness... fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, yada yada yada. Even if they're not conscious of it.

Now, can this be applied to G'raha? Sure it can, but that's a hard thing to do because I'm not convinced he was entirely in his right mind when he decided to pull the stunt that he did. Salina's "hope" was his ultimate despair - that he was useless save as a tool for some people who have been dead for about 5 millennia. Unfortunately, along come some Allagans (or rather clones, but close enough) who give him some blood and awaken him to his fate which is, not coincidentally, to be the tool of some people who have been dead for about 5 millennia. So goes tragedy.

He really is (or rather was) in a similar boat to us, bound to a fate he neither wanted nor asked for on a subconscious level. Unfortunately he succumbed to despair or some kind of mental pollution from that Allagan blood after the World of Darkness, and we lost him... but what's done is done.

Was he motivated by hope and faith, or despair and jealousy? Tough to say... but who says it wasn't both?

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Originally Posted by Zari

I like when people act like everything happened in a really short amount of time, when really even in the in-game time, things are much longer than real time.

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The amount of time elapsed in story terms is indeterminate, but I estimated 2.0 to take place over 3 months, 2.x over another 3 months, and then 3.0 happens 2 weeks - 2 months later and occurs over the course of roughly 1.5 months. (That "we need to urgently go talk to Hraesvelgr to try and avert the impending attack" bit took WAAAAY [kupo]ing longer than it should have for "urgent" business. Then Nidhogg sits in the Aery until you dutifully come along to kill him.)

Without an official timeline, there's nothing definite.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

... as Fenral wants to Get G'raha out of The Crystal Tower...

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Oh, he's not the only one. ;)
(I want it more... :p )

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

I hope Gaius made it out of The Preatorium alive, because I'll always believe that under different circumstances Gaius could have been an ally.

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I find myself strangely agreeing with this. But for now, as far as we're aware, he's toast and we have to deal with Van Hydrus.
(Having said that, he could very well have slipped undercover. Easily done as, far as I know, no-one in Eorzea's seen his face. Alright, as long as he keeps certain aspects of his appearence covered, like a low brimmed hat or something ;) )

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Originally Posted by Ymal

And this is the reason why the Leatherwork crafting story quest (1-50) is my favorite, simply because the guild master doesn't cover you in praises when you turn in your very first craft, she is the first one (and only?) that made me feel somehow like a normal crafter/person

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I see you've never met Gigi.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

lots of words

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I call it Ysayle's rule, a.k.a. "The Warrior of Light is a terrible friend." Suicidally depressed friends should absolutely be left behind, on their own, to sort out their issues without any sort of outside support. Because that's totally the best way to handle situations like that, and couldn't possibly lead them to take drastic courses of action that can never be undone.

But yeah, it's a bit deeper than we were ever supposed to dig for that particular storyline, which is tragic only because of there are stories in FFXIV that do hold up to that level of scrutiny. Louisoix Leveilleur is best grandpa; Alisaie is precious bby.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I call it Ysayle's rule, a.k.a. "The Warrior of Light is a terrible friend." Suicidally depressed friends should absolutely be left behind, on their own, to sort out their issues without any sort of outside support. Because that's totally the best way to handle situations like that, and couldn't possibly lead them to take drastic courses of action that can never be undone.

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Though, in some cases, it would be possible to undo their stupidity and rash decision.
We are indeed terrible people to have relationships with, all good relationships need a lot of communication on both sides, you see?

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Originally Posted by Echofalls

Though, in some cases, it would be possible to undo their stupidity and rash decision.
We are indeed terrible people to have relationships with, all good relationships need a lot of communication on both sides, you see?

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*stoically nods*

I feel like this is one of the many reasons for Haurchefant's continued popularity.

NPCs on this game either revere you, spit on you THEN revere you or they're villains. And it's meant to show how powerful you the WoL have become, I get that. Haurchefant so far is the only NPC that seems to see you and treat you like a person. A very powerful person but still a person. Even the Scions don't seem to do that. I got the impression that they were supposed to see us as "family" of sorts but they're framed pretty badly at times. Especially Minfilia. I don't even necessarily dislike Minfilia, the game just frames her poorly.

Haurchefant doesn't want to fall on his knees and worship the ground you walk on while calling himself useless, he just wants to help you and be your buddy. Or your lover. Matter of interpretation that.