Hi! I rarely post anything here but watching how Astros really need something more at the moment and I had some ideas on mind for a while now I wanted to share them. It might be too late or it might not since there is maintenance today. *Prays for buffs* So here are some ideas:
Draw - change the cooldown to 15s same as Royal Road with the addition to give 2 or 3% of mp back
Shuffle - cd of 30s
Enhanced Benefic - make it instant and reduce the cost of the spell by 25% (like Lightspeed)
Nocturnal Sect - Add a passive trait to reduce 5% or 10% mp consumption on Aspected abilities
Bole or Balance - added effect of Increasing 10% of Spell-based Hp Restoration
What do you guys think? Just want to help bring this job back to the race.
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08-10-2015, 11:44 PMEstellaAstro ideas
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08-11-2015, 12:49 AMEstella
Any thoughts are welcomed!
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08-11-2015, 01:46 AMDkDerekAs long as bubbles don't crit, noct will be garbage compared to sch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estella
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08-11-2015, 02:18 AMVitalSuitScholar's Succor crits don't act like Adlo where the shield is doubled so Aspcted Helios and Succor are about the same but Adlo is superior to Aspected Benefic.Quote:
Originally Posted by DkDerek
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08-11-2015, 02:21 AMMclyde
I would said 25 sec for draw & shuffle. 15 is too fast, it would be op to be able to put 10% buff everytime on someone.
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08-11-2015, 02:59 AMEstellaThe thing is, with draw giving you back mp and Noct sect giving you more room for usage with the less mana consumption on aspected abilities you will be able to use them much more often than the 1k mp adloquium. And aspected benefic is instant! All to make it feel more astrologian less scholarQuote:
Originally Posted by DkDerek
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08-11-2015, 03:06 AMEstellaMaybe 20s? What I want is to apply the cards to your healing. Since you'll get 12% mp back in one minute using cards if the cd is 15s. Plus people have been talking about not feeling the cards much and how Selene can buff the party better. This way, no buff to cards is necesary and you'll get to use them and feel them much more often. Plus since they give mp back it will prompt people to use them asap making them think faster just to have Draw on cooldown. It is a positive exchange as they did not give us healing cooldowns because we have the cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mclyde
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08-11-2015, 03:22 PMArtair
I'd like the cards to be made more fluid feeling and interactive. Royal road and spread are both great abilities, but having to wait 30 seconds after for another card feels a bit clunky and the buffs, underwhelming. Having royal road and spread draw another card after using them would be a really nice touch and bring the buffing side of AST up to be the focus of the job rather than feeling stuck on the side.
Think about it.
Draw Ewer
Royal Road (re-draw)
Draw Bole
Spread (re-draw)
Draw Ewer
Shuffle
Draw Ewer
Toss AoE Ewer and bole the tank...
QQ
Repeat 30 seconds later
Would still be really nice to be able to burn those CD's without delaying our next card. -
08-11-2015, 03:29 PMLiselsia
I think draws are "fine". I love to see the more uninventive cards like spear to be made into something creative. Like granting a Barrage/Duality. But thats not really a balance concern.
Something I love to see is some buffs for Disable. I love it to be a aoe. If targeted near a group of mobs it effects all of them. Disable is a really fun skill to use but its hyper situation like old Uwer/Spire card design. I would love to see it tweaked so it has multiple situations of usefulness such as E4E. -
08-11-2015, 03:48 PMmp-pleaseThis wouldn't be bad, and probably better than the crappy change they did to LS/ewer in terms of mp. Either that or add a skill that sacrifices the drawn card for mp (looking at you spire).Quote:
Originally Posted by Estella
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08-11-2015, 04:09 PMSuzakuCMXThat's 8% - 12% MP back per minute on top of Luminiferous Aether....Quote:
Originally Posted by Estella
It should be one or the other. I'd prefer a 20s Cooldown tbh.
What's the point? Shield will still be bad and overall healing output would be bad still as well. You made their crappy shields more mana efficient, hooray? AST is already more "mana efficient" in terms of cost-per-potency and they aren't good because their potency is too low throughout a fight. Increasing their MP efficiency without actually increasing their healing output won't do anything.Quote:
Nocturnal Sect - Add a passive trait to reduce 5% or 10% mp consumption on Aspected abilities
AST needs a unique way of healing or of buffing the other healer's healing in order to replace one of the other healers. -
08-11-2015, 05:14 PMMclydeYea..Quote:
Originally Posted by Estella
People use Ley Lines to increase their attack speed by 15% (90 sec CD). They use blood bath to get +10% dmg bonus (80 sec CD). They use Foresight (90 sec CD) by exemple to increase their survivability etc... you think they find it useless ?
You, as an astro, have the possibility to get or give all those Buff, every 30 or 60 sec !
You can even reduce all the cooldown's buff skill of your team or target by 10 or 30 sec. How much players don't even see that you use it on them ?
You just put an increased spear card + time dilatation on this Tank or on the DD, and this guy just don't even use one CD during 35 or 55 sec !! Then those kind of player come here and told you : "i don't really see the card's buff"
Yea... literally. You just don't see them man.
And don't tell me that it's because the players didn't have any CD avaible at this moment. When you play Astrologian you become very watchful about your team's CD comsumption. You know which player on your raid know how to create burst, who is completely lost about buff. Which tank you'll need to spam heal, and which one know how to manage his survivability. You know if your co-healer does or does not know how to manage his MP. If you will have to assist him or to be the main healer.
You know that on most bismark ex group i try, the party couldn't pass the first phase if i didn't use a team attack speed buff or dmg buff ? even with a scholar as co-healer.
YOU have the right position to tell if you're usefull or useless. Not the guys that can't even have a general look on what happens. Stop letting the badlies who look for a scapegoat for their failure look down on your work, and defend your job.
We can have a good mp management if our co-healer isn't out of control (but it ill always the astro's mistake of course... no way there is bads whm/sch), if the damage dealers don't jump into every aoe that spawns and the tanks just make their job that consist in mitigate damages. When you have to rez 2 or 3 guys in 1 minute... yea you can have some mp problem. But it'll be the same for all the healer jobs.
We don't need to spam the ewer cards to be efficient and our other cards are f*** crazy good enough right now.
Just check the thread about THE damage dealers problem in this game... it's not you the problem, it's all the guys that can't even use a simple dd job and still open their big mouth to tell that you're useless.
Just reduce the CD time of Draw skill to 20 or 25 sec... it would already be a big change. -
08-11-2015, 07:17 PMAhlah
The RNG component is the biggest flaw of the card system. It is kind of pointless to draw a spire card when your are running out of MP and all dps are at near full TP. Individual cards may be strong but they won't be making any significant impact under the wrong circumstance.
It also doesn't make sense for a buffer healer hybrid not to be able to offer any healing buffs. This could have easily make AST a decent healer - instead of taking a larger healing responsibility AST will buff their co-healer (WHM or SCH or another AST) to improve the total output.
Personally I think it's a huge mistake to give AST the ability to improve dps performance. BRD and MCH work because both jobs take up dps spots in the party and offer skills that boost the performance of other dps to make up for the loss of total damage output. AST will have worked better if they focus on improving overall healing power/ defense of party members and perhaps offer single target TP regen (which will benefits tanks).
It it's up to me I will probably:
1) Modify the card effect:
Balance - 10% potency boost to healing magic
Arrow - extend HOT duration by 15%
Spire - add 2.5' to the range of all AOE spell
Bole, Ewer and Spire - no change
2) Extend all card effect to 30 secs and make all 6 cards availlable to AST on one minute cooldown. Shorten Draw recast to 20 sec. When AST draw a card and apply it to party member who has the same card effect it will instantly reset the length of effect and gives a 100% potency to card effect (maximum potency 200%). Royal Road effect can also be adjusted accordingly and perhaps remove the aoe group effect.
AST will have more control over their cards and the RNG component still play a role in determining the potency of the cards. -
08-11-2015, 09:24 PMZezaa
How about this...
Noct and diurnal sect increases Mind and/or Pie to all party members.
If you want AST to heal "less" just give the other healers a little hand! -
08-12-2015, 05:04 AMSuzakuCMXThis is also what I've been suggesting :P But I'd rather it be a skill (like rework Synastry) that can be placed on the other healer to increase their healing output by a %. That way AST can focus on DPS and cards and ensures the other healer can take up the healing slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zezaa
In addition to that, changing Draw to a 20s CD and changing Noct Stance and CO/CU, I think those would be all the buffs AST need. No need to directly buff AST's healing output and also ensures AST/AST is still worse than AST/x class because their healing output would still be far less.