Need some help getting to 530 collectability.

So I have 524 gathering, 526 perception, and 600gp

Is there a way I can hit 530 on the Chysahl Greens, do I need to upgrade stuff and if so whats the minimum requirement? I don't really have a lot of money but I was hoping to work towards the red script gear but I notice they cost the type 1 botany counterfoil things.

I'm just kind of lost on what to do now that I got botanist to 60.

Just use this rotation: Dis eye, Meth app, Dis eye, Meth app, Utmost Caution, Meth app, Utmost Caution, Meth app, then collect

It takes 4 swings. As long as your Methodical Appraisal, without Discerning Eye, is getting 115, you've got gear good enough to get a 530.

You will need, among those 4 swings, two Discerning Eye buffs and two Utmost Caution buffs. You can pair them up (Discerning Eye, Utmost Caution, Methodical Appraisal, Discerning Eye, Utmost Caution, Methodical Appraisal, Methodical Appraisal, Methodical Appraisal) or spread them out a bit more, as Sartori did.

Thanks a bunch, you two rock

So by using this rotation I can get one cyshal well into 580 range for 14 red scrip.

But if I just go Discerning Eye, Methodical Appraisal X3 I can get two cyshals in the 320 range for 26 scrip.

Somehow the why of a 4 swing rotation escapes me.

Four swing rotations are for the Counterfoils.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

So by using this rotation I can get one cyshal well into 580 range for 14 red scrip.

But if I just go Discerning Eye, Methodical Appraisal X3 I can get two cyshals in the 320 range for 26 scrip.

Somehow the why of a 4 swing rotation escapes me.

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If you are after red scrips, you want to do a different rotation entirely.

DE->Impulsive.
---Proc?
------Yes : SM->Impulsive
------No : DE->Impulsive
---Proc?
------Yes : SM->Methodical
------No : DE->Methodical

That gets you, depending on the number of procs you get, 2 to 4 lowest tier RGS hand in Collectibles.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

So by using this rotation I can get one cyshal well into 580 range for 14 red scrip.

But if I just go Discerning Eye, Methodical Appraisal X3 I can get two cyshals in the 320 range for 26 scrip.

Somehow the why of a 4 swing rotation escapes me.

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The rotation you mentions caps around 480. Which isnt enough for the counterfoil items (need 530~ for those)

Counterfoil items are used for the Red Script gear. The Red Script tokens alone aren't enough.

Thanks all, not to counterfoils yet, still have to beat Bismark so no where close even.

And the fact that Squenix won't take my money to renew isn't helping me get closer.

the best rotation i know for red scrips when you have the ideal stats (115 from unbuffed methodical) is actually:

UC + SM + Impulsive -> Impulsive -> Impulsive ->
................(if at least 1 Impulsive gave you buff): UC + SM + Methodical.
...................................................(if all failed): UC + DE + Methodical

In average this gives slightly more red scrips than the other method and you have a ~20% chance to gather with 530+ collectability so you can farm for counterfoils as well while doing your weekly cap.

It's possible to get 530+ with the Discerning Eye/Methodical Appraisalx3 method, though it isn't as surefire as the other.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

It's possible to get 530+ with the Discerning Eye/Methodical Appraisalx3 method, though it isn't as surefire as the other.

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that caps at 516 collectability (115 x 1.5 = 172; 172 x 3 = 516). with RNG it's possible that a 0-3 of them come out to 530, but that's RNG talking.

Here's how to guarantee yourself two Chysal Greens with enough rating.

Methodical, methodical, Utmost, Single mind, Methodical, Utmost, Discerning eye, Methodical.

Gather two.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

It's possible to get 530+ with the Discerning Eye/Methodical Appraisalx3 method, though it isn't as surefire as the other.

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Originally Posted by TechnoTechie

that caps at 516 collectability (115 x 1.5 = 172; 172 x 3 = 516). with RNG it's possible that a 0-3 of them come out to 530, but that's RNG talking.

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I get in the 520s more often than in the 510s, and quite rarely a 530 or better.

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Originally Posted by BushWookie

Here's how to guarantee yourself two Chysal Greens with enough rating.

Methodical, methodical, Utmost, Single mind, Methodical, Utmost, Discerning eye, Methodical.

Gather two.

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this equates to: 10 item wear methodical (115), 10 item wear methodical (115), 5 item wear methodical (115), 5 item wear buffed methodical (172) or 115 + 115 + 115 + 172 = 517. As Shadygrove mentions above, that means actual gathers are more often in the 510-520 range, and rarely anywhere near 530+.

The most promising rotation, and the one I use is this one, that I've seen before on reddit:

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Originally Posted by Alexiell

the best rotation i know for red scrips when you have the ideal stats (115 from unbuffed methodical) is actually:

UC + SM + Impulsive -> Impulsive -> Impulsive ->
................(if at least 1 Impulsive gave you buff): UC + SM + Methodical.
...................................................(if all failed): UC + DE + Methodical

In average this gives slightly more red scrips than the other method and you have a ~20% chance to gather with 530+ collectability so you can farm for counterfoils as well while doing your weekly cap.

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As he mentions, it has a higher expected payout (if you understand the statistical term)for gathers and it averages around 474-481 collectability, but when you get two impulsive procs will be in the neighborhood of 522+ (decent chance of getting 530+ collectability... maybe 40%?), and three procs will bring it to 583 collectability. As long as one of the impulsive appraisals proc, you are guaranteed 3 gathers of 470+ with the SM (no matter which one proc'd).



Lastly, as a general tip: it's better to gather as many collectables as you can at a lower tier than it is to sacrifice gather chance for a higher tier.

Just used my rotation and got 530 and 531 on two Chysal Greens.

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Originally Posted by BushWookie

Just used my rotation and got 530 and 531 on two Chysal Greens.

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again, a few instances of it working doesn't mean always.

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Originally Posted by TechnoTechie

again, a few instances of it working doesn't mean always.

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50% of the time at least.

Works for me.

I guess the only thing left for you to do is try it. I've got 695 perception BTW.

694 perception, sorry.

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Originally Posted by BushWookie

50% of the time at least.

Works for me.

I guess the only thing left for you to do is try it. I've got 695 perception BTW.

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I would say it's closer to 30% for all the times I've tried it. Also, perception for appraisals is capped on chysahl at around 620ish, so as long as you're above the cap it should produce the results you've seen :)

I would put more faith in something like the following:
impulsive > (single mind if proc/discerning eye if no proc) > utmost caution > methodical > impulsive > (single mind if proc/discerning eye if no proc) > utmost caution > methodical
That would guarantee you get at least one with about 550; each proc of impulsive is another gather attempt. Good for if you're going for counterfoils, and if you don't mind a lower quality to turn in for red scrips instead, then i would use the other rotation i listed earlier.

But to each their own :)

Exact Perception does not matter, as long as you are hitting the Collectability Caps. That is, as long as you are getting the 115 on a Methodical, or a 172 on a Disc.Eye->Methodical. Once you hit that amount of Collectability on those moves, added Perception does nothing to help you on that node, though it may help on higher level nodes.

I'm sorry this maybe noobish of me but how do you do this rotation with only 600gp? I ask because you have to use 300gp to bring the counterfoil to you. Leaving you with only 300gp to use? Please if you can tell me greatly appreciate it, use a Hi-Cordial but how when you are occupied? I know noob and sorry!:confused:

Okay nvm I figured it out, geez hello noob

Note that if you get your Gathering high enough, you will occasionally get 1 or 2 extra swings at the Chysahl and Adamantite nodes.

if you have at least 529 gathering and 552 perception, using any combination of the DE-UC-methodical x2. then 2 unbuffed methodical, you will hit exactly 530
those are my stats and i got it 3 time in a row b4 i got my off hand

I for the life of me cannot collect for the turn in to get the receipts, counterfoil is no issue though
All the rotations i have found and tried end with me getting no chance to collect even once :(
Do not recall my stats off the top of my head but GP i would say is at least 600 with food
My gathering is in the 800's if i recall

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Originally Posted by Maero

I for the life of me cannot collect for the turn in to get the receipts, counterfoil is no issue though
All the rotations i have found and tried end with me getting no chance to collect even once :(
Do not recall my stats off the top of my head but GP i would say is at least 600 with food
My gathering is in the 800's if i recall

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You need to use a different rotation for the receipts, since they appear on normal nodes with 4 gathering attempts (sometimes 5 or 6 if you get good RNG on the node's conditions) in contrast to Unspoiled/Legendary nodes with 6 gathering attempts. That means you need a different rotation that works in 4 attempts instead of 6. I'll give you an example rotation that doesn't rely on RNG and can be done on any of the Receipt node and gives a yield of one. I'll assume you're hitting the Perception cap for maximum gains. This rotation needs 600 GP.

Open Collection Window > Discerning Eye > Methodical Appraisal. Collectability is now 172 with 3 attempts left > Discerning Eye > Methodical Appraisal. Collectability is now 344 with 2 attempts left > Discerning Eye > Methodical Appraisal. Collectability is now 516 with one attempt left > Collect the item.

If you need more receipts instead of just one, just keep refreshing the nodes by entering the gathering window and then closing it, doing it for all 6 nodes in a circle. Do this until you get a node that gives the bonus of "Gathering Attempts +2". Using the rotation I listed above will give you a yield of three instead of one.

Hope this helps!

Wow thank you very much for that info Wynne, i have looked at various sites and reddit and all rotations there did not work for me.
I have 657 GP, and over 800 Perception and gathering, i thank you very much for the info :)

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I'm sorry this maybe noobish of me but how do you do this rotation with only 600gp? I ask because you have to use 300gp to bring the counterfoil to you. Leaving you with only 300gp to use? Please if you can tell me greatly appreciate it, use a Hi-Cordial but how when you are occupied? I know noob and sorry!:confused:

Okay nvm I figured it out, geez hello noob

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What do you have to do? If you can't pop a cordial mid-stroke, what's the key? I'm new to gathering scripts, so any info is useful :)

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What do you have to do? If you can't pop a cordial mid-stroke, what's the key? I'm new to gathering scripts, so any info is useful :)

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Nah you don't need to use toil of the pioneer/mountaineer at all once the item is ticked in your gathering log.

Let's say for example you want adamantite with 530 collectability for counterfoils. It's always slot 6 in the gathering window. (so are Chysahl Greens for botanist counterfoils)

So when you hit the node what you do is (assuming the node has no bonus attempts):-
1: Strike slot 6 once to reveal the Adamantite / Chysahl Greens. (node will have 83% left)
2: Use Discerning Eye + Methodical Appraisal. Collectability should be around 172 (node will have 66% left)
3: Use Discerning Eye + Methodical Appraisal. Collectability should be around 344 (node will have 50% left)
4: Use Utmost Caution + Methodical Apparisal. Collectability should be around 459 (node will have 33% left)
5: Use Utmost Caution + Methodical Appraisal. Collectability should be around 574 (node will have 16% left)
6: Collect your Adamantite / Greens
7: If you have 1-2 bonus attempts collect more items XD

this typically results in 1-3 collectable counterfoils items each time.

Other DoL Rotations used for various Scrips / items if you're interested. (All Assume methodical Appraisal is capped at 115)

530 Collectability 600GP Counterfoils Rotations

Method 1 (Risky but more collects if successful)
Reveal
Discerning Eye
Utmost Caution
Instinctual Appraisal
Discerning Eye
Utmost Caution
Instinctual Appraisal
Impulsive Appraisal
Collect
Collect

Method 2, (Safer but less collects)
Reveal
Discerning eye
Methodical Aprraisal
Discerning Eye
Methodical appraisal
Utmost caustion
Methodical Appraisal
Utmost caution
Methodial appraisial
Collect

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515 Collectability 600GP Receipts Rotation

Discerning Eye
Methodical Appraisal
Discerning Eye
Methodical Appraisal
Discerning Eye
Methodical Appraisal
Collect

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480 Collectability 600GP Red Scrips Rotation

Reveal
Discerning Eye
Impulsive Appraisal
Discerning Eye*
Impulsive Apraisal
Discerning Eye*
Methodical Appraisal
Collect
Collect

* If Discerning Eye has procced from previous Impulsive Appraisal use Single Mind Instead. Each DE proc results in 1 extra collect when Single Mind is used.

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450 Collectability 600GP Blue Scrips Rotations

Method 1 (2-4 Items Average)

Reveal
Discerning Eye
Impulsive Appraisal
Discerning Eye*
Impulsive Apraisal
Discerning Eye*
Methodical Appraisal
Collect
Collect

* If Discerning Eye has procced from previous Impulsive Appraisal use Single Mind Instead. Each DE proc results in 1 extra collect when Single Mind is used.

Method 2 (Consistant 3 Items)

Reveal
Discerning Eye
Methodical Appraisal
Discenring Eye
Methodical Appraisal
Single Mind
Methodical Appraisal
Collect
Collect
Collect

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450 Collectability 400GP Blue Scrips Rotation (2 items)

Reveal
Discerning Eye
Methodical Appraisal
Discerning Eye
Methodical Apraisal
Methodical Apraisal
Collect
Collect

These should let you get everything you'll ever need
Hope it helps

Thank you Dzian :) That really helped clear things up. I didn't even realize you could just pick slot 6 without Toll. I'm literally smiling right now!!! Thank you for the example provided as well :)

Toil is really only used when you are visiting a node for the first time, and do not know what is where. After that, you are better off saving the GP for something else - King's Yield 2 or Blessed Harvest 2, or for use in increasing the Collectability rating of the item you are gathering, or even just the chances of a successful gather or HQ.

I feel like such a doofus in that I was using Toll each time, when I could've just selected the proper slot the item was in. *Facepalm* LOL, but now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

So FSH really eludes me. I have augmented landmaster right side and the belt and the HQ 3.0 crafted gear for Fisher. My Miner and Botanist are all ilvl200 and maxed out. I can't even get the red scrip Fisher gear though because I can't seem to figure out how to even catch the fish I need for the foil. Is there a rotation? Do I need to meld materia? I'm so confused. Help? xD

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So FSH really eludes me. I have augmented landmaster right side and the belt and the HQ 3.0 crafted gear for Fisher. My Miner and Botanist are all ilvl200 and maxed out. I can't even get the red scrip Fisher gear though because I can't seem to figure out how to even catch the fish I need for the foil. Is there a rotation? Do I need to meld materia? I'm so confused. Help? xD

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You don't need anywhere NEAR max gear to catch Red Scrip fish. However, you DO need to know when and under what circumstances those fish are available to catch. For example, Barreleye fish can only be caught during Thunder weather, and only with the Fish Eyes buff on. Capelin can only be caught in the early morning, from Midnight until 6:00 am game time - and these also require Fish Eyes. Additionally, I'm pretty sure that ALL Red Scrip fish require you to first buy the corresponding Fishing Folklore book; until you do, they are impossible to catch, even if you have all the other factors correct.

Each Red Scrip fish has different gathering conditions, and the game provides few if any clues what those conditions are. You can either use trial and error to figure out what those conditions are for each fish - or do as most fishers do, and look up the answers on the Internet. http://ff14angler.com/ is a marvelous resource for figuring out how to catch each kind of fish.

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Originally Posted by Aurelle_Delacroix

So FSH really eludes me. I have augmented landmaster right side and the belt and the HQ 3.0 crafted gear for Fisher. My Miner and Botanist are all ilvl200 and maxed out. I can't even get the red scrip Fisher gear though because I can't seem to figure out how to even catch the fish I need for the foil. Is there a rotation? Do I need to meld materia? I'm so confused. Help? xD

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The Counter foil fish would be the Thunderbolt Eel. at 834 Collectability
Requirements are clear/fair skies between 22:00-04:00 game time.

Can either usie a stonefly nymph to catch a HQ Blue Shrimp and hit mooch.
or catch it direct with a bladed steel jig.

personally cought mine at (X32.9, Y7.4, Z2.3) on a small ledge on the wall of iron feast in the forelands.
i'd say it's a relatively easy catch I got the 6 of them I needed in 2 windows. worst part was waiting for the right weather

patience can help a lot so take a few cordials cos the window is quite small

http://ff14angler.com/fish/428