Vote kick option MUST be removed.

I simply dont roll on loot so people dont kick me or anyone else.

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So if someone goes afk or offline the whole group has to disband rather than just kicking that one person?

No. 3 runs out of how many runs? Besides, I am not going to abandon just because someone goes offline. I already have to wait long enough to get in a dungeon, so leaving it is not an option.

That's ridiculous, why would you make 3 others abandon a duty if 1 person goes offline or refuses to participate in the content?

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

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I requeued and ended up in the same party with the same bard, and completed the entire dungeon with no wipes. (Pharos for relic so we ended up together again.)
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FYI - In last hotfix, SE has fixed above situation and the player will not join back to the same party (as many users requests) ^^;

OP I understand vote kick can be abused, but there will be moments that you and others want to keep playing but not abandon bcoz of someone.
As you said, it just happend recently, but the issue you mentioned is not new on this forum.
I think it was just unlucky to group with such players, but this feature really has it's purpose and I am pretty sure SE will not remove it bcoz many many players had requested (absolutely more than players complained against abuse) this feature before it was added.

Good thing the majority of people and SE disagree with you then because Vote kick is here to stay. Abandoning a dungeon is not the answer. You can also wait about 20 minute que times too because that is what you are asking the dps to do.

Thank you SE for the vote kick option and your adjustments to it.

Please be troll.

I got myself kicked a few times, so I don't like the kick feature?

Sounds like it's working as intended.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Because you are not able to work as a team. This is a rare occasion, and yes the answer is vote abandon not kick 1 person.
Its not difficult to understand. I'm not going to argue, my point is already made.
This is not a debate.

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Last I checked you are not in charge of the game and if you post here people are going to disagree with you.

The funny thing here is, and because you keep repeating yourself about it...it's actually 10 minutes for auto-kick from inactivity, not 5. If they so much as click the screen it resets.

And yes, this isn't a debate; this is the worst idea and the worst rhetoric for it I've seen on here, and I've seen some doozies.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

This is not a debate.

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Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

There are definitely real uses for vote kicking someone as opposed to abandoning a duty entirely. I'm sorry that you've been kicked, but honestly if this is the attitude you display in parties then I'm also not really surprised.

IF I WRITE STUFF IN CAPS AND BOLD YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION TO ME!

What a load of rubbish. If you get kicked unfairly report the people that did it, if your not reporting them more than likely you did something wrong yourself. Even if you don't believe it, its like being wrong in an arguement, no matter how many people show you how wrong you are sometimes you just keep on going with your opinion and wont budge, like your post for example! :)

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I disagree, vote kick should stay.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

If i am continuously kicked for little to no reason such as these i will also choose to quit playing this game as this is not acceptable, and the system should be removed.

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Awesome, so if I don't like the way you talk I just have to sit and wait until you're pissed off? Or I can behave like a total dick until everyone votes abandon?
You deserved to be kicked for Castrum, I don't know for the other dungeons but it seems like you're hiding something.

5 Minutes? Please, some people may need to go to the bathroom and sometimes they take longer than 5 minutes, especially girls.
Maybe 10 minutes?

Anyways vote kick abuse is so very rare, 1 person or 2 go offline and not returning is far more common, and they need to be kicked and replaced, not because of that 1 person goes offline, the whole duty is abandoned... People have waited long for a queue...

Please don't remove vote-kick.

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Having to abandon and jump back into a dps queue because someone wanted to follow and afk through a dungeon when I've got a perfectly capable group who wants to get stuff done? Having 7 other people need to abandon during Wod because someone wants to troll all the alliances by early pulling and locking people in with the boss to die because the rest of the alliances aren't there yet? Getting through most of a dungeon and at the final boss your tank or healer dc's and never comes back and you never get a replacement so the only choice you have is to abandon and start all over?

Yeah, no. Grow some thick skin. Just like irl people on here can be ***holes too. Shake them off and move on. The need for that tool to be in place for the standard bs people people can do in dungeons is more necessary versus the possible abuse of it that can happen in the wrong hands.

I agree with another poster here, at least in the third case you me toned you deserved it. While you may argument about people ot eing a le to play together, in that particular case it was you, and you alone, that was working against the other's way to play, and, which matters even more, talking them back like your, and your method alone is the right one.

That said, the adjustment they did recently is a good one. If there is any little additional adjust I'd like to see, it would be raising the required votes to 3 in light party. I know that 2 of 3 is technically majority but that alone opens it a bit too much for abuse such as couple friends deciding they don't like someone between themselves. If the person is really performed something worth a kick, that is disconnect, afk or just being a total jerk, in such small group unanimous vote shouldn't be impossible to ask.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

This party did not do that, and i only noticed no one was with me in the boss fight and i tried to leave but was locked out, they responded "Have fun" so i assume it was ok to solo the boss, which i successfully did, then after asking

"So why did we choose to fight the trash again?" was told "no lockouts" and i said "so?" and "just burn the boss?"

and then was told "bye" and vote kicked.

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The irony here is that that dungeon is one of the most sped-through dungeons in the entire game, to the point where most people that are going in for their first time must either skip every cutscene or accept that they will be locked out of most fights because nobody will wait for them.

I'm sorry, but what I see here is that you...

-Ran ahead of your party and locked everyone out

-Somehow missed the sarcasm in "Have fun", after realizing that you were the only person out of eight fighting a boss

-Berated the party for fighting trash (I'm sorry, but your wording comes off as rude, whether you meant it to or not)

-Shrugged off the party's remark with a "So?" -- a universal word for, "I really don't care".

I 'm sorry, but just because you got kicked from three runs (one of which I honestly think you deserved, as nothing you said there made you sound like anything other than someone I wouldn't want to play with) does not mean that people should have to wait another forty five minutes in queue due to one bad egg. If that were the case, that party would have disbanded because of...you, actually.

no just no ,what if someone goes afk or disconnects? what if someone is harassing someone? people who abuse it are very few, no just no

Points 1 and 2 of yours can be reported as Vote Kick Abuse. Just note the name of the party members or include the time and name of the duty.

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If players cannot work together or come to a compromise then the entire party should use:

VOTE ABANDON

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In your third point, you were the only person in disagreement with the whole party though.

7 people abandon Castrum because you didn't want to run it at their pace? C'mon.

*presses "Vote Kick" on this sad,sad thread

No

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Yes. People who are away from the game for 5 minutes while in duty are automatically kicked.

Vote kick is abused more than properly used.

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Yes (but 10 minutes). But I've had a few times where a party member just went afk constantly (but not long enough to be disconnected) and was pretty much carried through half the dungeon, until everyone got fed up with it and vote kicked.
I simply don't understand why you start a dungeon if you, apparently, have no time to play. Go do some hunts, or level an alt, do some FATEs, leves, whatever...But don't let 3 others suffer for your lack of time to play.

Plus, there are more reasons to vote kick. Abusive language for instance. Why should a whole group disband when just one person is being an asshole.

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Originally Posted by segagamer

So if someone goes afk or offline the whole group has to disband rather than just kicking that one person?

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Exactly this.
OP, use your brain before rageposting.

If the kick function is removed, it simply makes it easier to troll others.

I shouldn't be forced to abandon a duty that may have taken me a long time to queue into because you or someone else has a disagreement.

I've never been kicked in two years.

Consider the source.

Vote kick needs to stay, but needs to be all agreed to kick in light and full party.

The vote kick system needs some more transparency. It should show WHO initiates a vote kick, so if someone really is abusing by calling it repeatedly they can be reported. Also the kickee is totally unaware when a vote kick is underway. If a vote kick is called on you and fails you have no idea about it. And if it passes you have no idea WHY you are vote kicked.

I've been kicked three times since the launch of 2.0. The first time was in Halatali Hard, right before we reached the final boss. The next two times we're I was trying to learn Turn 11, The second literally coming out of the blue right after the first wipe. I probably did make a minor mistake but what mistake that was I have no idea.

How are we supposed to improve unless we are told what we did wrong?

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Originally Posted by Laraul

The vote kick system needs some more transparency. It should show WHO initiates a vote kick, so if someone really is abusing by calling it repeatedly they can be reported. Also right not the kickee is totally unaware that a vote kick is underway. If a vote kick is called on you and fails you have no idea about it. And if it passes you have no idea WHY you are vote kicked.

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I agree with this. Any time a vote is called to kick someone, the person being voted about should see who initiated it, who voted for it, and the initiator should have to explain what the kick is for.

Perhaps everyone who votes for the kick should need to explain it as well. Those kicked for real reasons get a better view of what it is that way, and needing to justify their "yes" vote might stop the idiots who will just blindly vote yes for no reason except that a vote-kick window popped up on their screen. Make it so that "No" is the simple default answer and people will only vote to kick someone out when there's a real reason for it.

While this conversation is enlightening and worthy of a real discussion. The OP's use of Capital letters to scream at us and say he will not discuss anything and that his point is absolute, might shed some light on his inability to work in a group setting. While he may be correct in his version of some of the events that transpired, i get the feeling we are looking at a very biased version of events.

TLDR - continue discussion, but OP is not a great example of vote kick abuse.

I am not going to lie, I have been vote kicked once because I passed out during a duty roulette, was I mad.... no. I like the fact that the vote kick option is there instead of total duty abandon. I would feel really bad if the group had to abandon because I was extremely tired because of work. (I am a Law Enforcement Officer for RL Job and there are times where I try to grind a level or two before I go to sleep.)

The worst part of the current vote-kick system is that, if the leader is a member of a premade group, they are given a powerful and violent weapon to kick anyone they dislike, without any reason.

First, member of any premade group should never be the party leader.
Second, vote-kick should only be available when the target has infringed certain rules for multiple times, such as AFK for 5 minutes, disconnected for 3+ times, etc.

Even the target is doing things such as harassment that deserves kick, the finder system is not a proper system for such punishment. It is like a court without proper judge/jury/lawyer and death penalty being issued on the spot. Who knows who is the real reason of a failure? Is the party leader always true about that? What if he is the actual reason and he blames it to someone else? Other members can be blind about this, you know.

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Wasn't this thread (or one like it) deleted by a moderator? I honestly can't remember who posted it, but they felt very opposed to the vote kick system as well. Also, if you didn't know, you can just edit your post instead of re-posting to get around the 1000 character limit. You should also

In response to your little outburst though, it seems like the reasons for you being kicked were:

1. I hate to speculate, but I'm pretty sure you were probably either not killing the bird adds or you were killing the eggs before they hatch and caused the boss to enrage. While a geared tank and healer would be able to deal with this problem, the healer you described definitely did not seem to be geared (This would explain your "smooth" second run). More than likely you were kicked because they assumed you were trying to make the dungeon more difficult for them. Either that or you argued with one of them and pissed them off.
2. You were definitely kicked because you were lacking dps. People hate Neverreap, and if your rotation isn't spotless, then they'll kick you for prolonging an already miserable dungeon.
3. You were kicked for going straight to the boss and pulling him. You then proceeded to solo said boss, forcing everyone to wait outside of the barrier. While some groups may prioritize just finishing the dungeon, that one obviously wanted to do a full clear w/cutscenes.

Besides the 3rd scenario, you do have two valid examples of where there was a selfish use of the vote kick. Unfortunately though, the system relies on these players being reported in-game in order for punishment to be carried out, so you will not witness any "justice" first-hand. I would also like to mention that I believe your first example is missing crucial information that would probably make the kick seem more justified.

Vote Kick can't be removed because it's an essential tool for removing afk, offline, or troublesome players without having to completely disband the group. Here are just a few examples of points where it distinctly warranted or required a kick:

• Copperbell Mines (Normal) Duty Finder tank was wearing a full set of crafting gear and was belligerent and offensive when asked about it. The player was obviously trying to spiritbond crafting gear in order to get materia and was expecting to be carried (pre-patch for soulbonding)
• Dzemael Darkhold (Normal) Duty Finder tank lacked his Paladin soulgem, was partly in casting gear, and made no effort to hold aggro. When confronted, he simply stopped tanking, saying that I should be kicked. After we kicked him, he then continued to instantly re-queue into our group and harass us (pre-patch for matchmaking)
• Pharos Sirius Tank wanted to be kicked 30 seconds after queuing for the dungeon. His reason was because no one said "hello" to him immediately and he didn't want to get a 30 min debuff for leaving the dungeon. We ended up clearing trash up to the first boss (10min in the chat log and then 10 min clearing) with him doing absolutely nothing before we kicked him and instantly got a replacement tank.
• Dzemael Darkhold healer refused to heal, saying that "he does way better dps." This forced the SMN in our group to heal me up until the section after the first boss where you no longer get the insane damage reduction buff. After wiping twice and having a bit of a spat over chat, he critiqued my tanking skills and then promptly said he was going to sit around until we kicked him.
• On more than one occasion, players have gone full afk after queuing for their Duty. This has started to happen a lot more frequently (I say frequently, but I rarely need to kick someone in the first place) now that not accepting a Duty that you've queued for when it pops has been patched to count against you and debuff you if it's been done too many times.
• Had a healer in Stone Vigil who simply didn't have their WHM soulcrystal and wasn't geared enough to heal the tank through even the adds. He was very receptive to our advice and with our instructions, we kicked him so that he could properly get his WHM job without incurring a 30min debuff and so that we could potentially finish the dungeon with a new healer.
• Had a BLM on Aurum Vale who was insistent on constantly pulling non-stop while I was tanking. It's not like we were waiting or anything either, and the party dealt with it until we reached the area after the second boss, and instead of waiting for the healer who was afk, he pulls again and wipes the group. The BLM ignored our cries to stop pulling and was therefore kicked for harassment.

If players cannot vote to kick a particularly (and probably purposely) problematic player, then you're basically forcing the unfortunate non-tank/heal classes to wait another 20 min just because the tank went AWOL and stopped tanking. The tank on the other hand would enjoy a short sip of the player's tears before getting his 30 second expert difficulty queue.

I have not had any major issues with being Vote kicked. It is weird that some people are having issues with this. In all my experience in the game I have only seen it used with thought out intention and I am a fan of the system and I think the majority of us are. I think there is something else going on here that you are not telling us. Either these people were trolling you or "something". All in all the system is good and should be kept the same.

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The worst part of the current vote-kick system is that, if the leader is a member of a premade group, they are given a powerful and violent weapon to kick anyone they dislike, without any reason.

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Whoever is leader is unimportant during VOTE kick. Anyone can initiate it and you VOTE about the person being kicked or not.
This is true in all DF instances.
The issue is that it's enough with two people voting yes in a 4 man group instead of three as it should be.

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Originally Posted by Marveth

Whoever is leader is unimportant during VOTE kick. Anyone can initiate it and you VOTE about the person being kicked or not.
This is true in all DF instances.
The issue is that it's enough with two people voting yes in a 4 man group instead of three as it should be.

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Even a group is 4 man, but logically it would be 3ppl consider kicking 1ppl,
with that said, it would be a vote within 3ppl decision, as a result, 2ppl doesn't mean the half, it means 2/3 ^^;

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Originally Posted by Laraul

The vote kick system needs some more transparency. It should show WHO initiates a vote kick...

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It should not show who initiate a kick.
If it shows WHO initiates and the kick fails, it is predictable the first one being kick will then try to kick the initiator ^^;
As a result, most likely after the kick those ppl will start chat PvP and kick war, it will make the situation worse.

There should be some additional logic to the kick system maybe.

For example if you kick someone DF will not pair you with that person again.
Some people do play the in-need jobs and abuse the system, cannot kick in combat etc.
Also a lot of people will click yes regardless to initiated what/why.