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It would actually help if we could understand what the thread titles were...

Look at the dates of threads started, the amount of pages and all.
Japanese keep their forums nice and tidy and conversations going in one topic.
Here people need to go Snowflake mode, complain and parrot the same things
in 50 million different topics. I guess they don't feel like bothering replying here TOO much
because when they do reply, people either get pissy and make 400 more topics anyways.

Do note that all those threads are actually different subjects.
Japanese players tends to keep their discussions in 1 thread while everyone here thinks he needs his own thread for same issue for the 50th time.

Perfect comparison here is the Astrolgian thread there. It got almost 200 pages.
Here? Well just check the healer forums and try to not be shocked.

You should also consider that it's a Japanese game, and there will be more Japanese responses due to both community reps and developers alike being able to communicate with less channels used.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

Look at the dates of threads started, the amount of pages and all.
Japanese keep their forums nice and tidy and conversations going in one topic.
Here people need to go Snowflake mode, complain and parrot the same things
in 50 million different topics. I guess they don't feel like bothering replying here TOO much
because when they do reply, people either get pissy and make 400 more topics anyways.

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So do you have a direct translation for each thread title? We have threads of 100+ pages long as well. What's to say those larger threads aren't something like a "Show your Race" thread? And what about those several threads with 2-5 pages? Are they all completely unique topics?

After reading some of the threads- im not surprised they don't respond.

Wish there was a way to get translations like when Reyhart was translating. I miss that alot.

It's not just because "they keep their forums neat". Just look at every page on their GD. All of them have that many responses. They just have actual community reps.

In order (the ones with dev comments):

-"Thread for demands/wants, proposals and crazy ideas"
-"Looking forward to Hair Design Contest"
-"FF14 goods you'd like to see sold"
-"The Chat Thread"
-"Black Mage hints/tips (riddles?) here"
-"About the Recruit a Friend Campaign"
-"[Request] About the Ponytail hairstyle implementation"

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

So do you have a direct translation for each thread title? We have threads of 100+ pages long as well. What's to say those larger threads aren't something like a "Show your Race" thread? And what about those several threads with 2-5 pages? Are they all completely unique topics?

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https://translate.google.com/transla...25E7%2594%25A8
Take with a grain of salt since it's a Google Translate.
They don't seem to complain as much either.

There are a grand total of 2300 threads in the Japanese General Discussion forums. There are TWENTY NINE THOUSAND in the NA General Discussion forum.

Thats over 10x the amount of threads.

No wonder it looks like they get more responses.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

There are a grand total of 2300 threads in the Japanese General Discussion forums. There are TWENTY NINE THOUSAND in the NA General Discussion forum.

Thats over 10x the amount of threads.

No wonder it looks like they get more responses.

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That's just more of a reason for them to reply here.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Do note that all those threads are actually different subjects.
Japanese players tends to keep their discussions in 1 thread while everyone here thinks he needs his own thread for same issue for the 50th time.

Perfect comparison here is the Astrolgian thread there. It got almost 200 pages.
Here? Well just check the healer forums and try to not be shocked.

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Hey! That's just western individualism at work!

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Originally Posted by Kelg

That's just more of a reason for them to reply here.

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Not really. A sizeable portion of the threads on our forums are either duplicates (some of which have gotten a response from community reps already; why would they respond to a second thread?) or they're pointless tripe like someone whining about getting kicked from a DF party after telling off the tank for not keeping hate.

Honestly, I kinda wish the mods would clean up more of the pointless threads in these forums.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

So do you have a direct translation for each thread title? We have threads of 100+ pages long as well. What's to say those larger threads aren't something like a "Show your Race" thread? And what about those several threads with 2-5 pages? Are they all completely unique topics?

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a couple of those

thread to ask for npc's in dungeon
chat thread
hairstyle contest thread
request for goods like keychains and such
talking about the new friend invitation system
something about a ponytail change
Eorzia Yey thread

So yea, mostly unique threads.
Btw note: not 1 of them is actually whining...

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Hey! That's just western individualism at work!

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Yea, good luck having a discussion about a topic over like 10threads.
Wish we had some mods over here who would utterly crash it but that is too much to hope for.

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So yea, mostly unique threads.
Btw note: not 1 of them is actually whining...

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Digging through, I'm still seeing threads complaining about something. I would need to better understand at what point do you consider complaining to be just whining. Otherwise, you've only given me threads that weren't necessarily negative in any connotation.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

https://translate.google.com/transla...25E7%2594%25A8
Take with a grain of salt since it's a Google Translate.
They don't seem to complain as much either.

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Not denying that their forums aren't cleaner. But some threads seem to poke about making copies of already established topics. Might be that it's looked down on much more severely, possibly that moderators for those forums are more strict/diligent with keeping it all centralized.

But as an addendum to your edit in your first post:

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I guess they don't feel like bothering replying here TOO much
because when they do reply, people either get pissy and make 400 more topics anyways.

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That's actually really bad. They need to be more proactive and be professional about this considering these are the official forums. So if that's the case, maybe need to work on that.

The JP folk actually give well constructed feedback and responses while everywhere else players instantly create 20000000 of the same "CHANGE IT NOWNOWNOWNOWNOW" threads. I wouldn't respond to threads here compared to the JP forums either.

They did say that the Japanese people are more competent in the game (our Savage is their Hard mode) and therefore, they don't complain that much. They are also more towards communication and group play rather than us, individualism and solo-plays.

So, it makes sense that their threads are more towards fun things rather than our complain threads to make this one class OP in regards to it requiring 10 seconds more to complete this dungeon than this other OP class.

Mentality. Also, we're not afraid of voicing our opinions and stand in the pool of shame but in their culture, shame is a lot more like insults and should be taken seriously. Just my two cents on the topic.

I'm sure there's a cultural component to things as well. I know that in the western world we tend to complain and criticize before we say something positive, and we want to be HEARD. NOW. Similarly, the JP community reps are probably more likely to respond to things than their NA counterparts. But I think that if you took the number of community rep responses on the NA forums and compared them to the ones on the JP forums, there's probably a similar amount. Sifting through our tens of thousands of duplicate topics, or topics demanding resolutions, changes, fixes, etc, verses monitoring the comparative trickle of incoming information on the JP side has got to be overwhelming at best. If we want "More" responses from Devs and Community reps, we need to seriously cut down the chatter a bit.

"I wouldn't respond here either."

It's unprofessional to ignore your customers just because you don't like what they say.

Also, please explain to me how it's shameful to voice your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

"I wouldn't respond here either."

It's unprofessional to ignore your customers just because you don't like what they say.

Also, please explain to me how it's shameful to voice your opinion.

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note that two of those threads are from this year(2015). the rest are much older, and dont do what the Eng side do; multiples of the same topic. we do have community rep posts, but most of the time the threads they posted in are buried under reposts of threads that were already answered because people couldnt be bothered to use the search function. atm on the front page, there are 3 threads that i would think would get a response because they arent trying to flat out change the game, asking for handouts, or complaining about non existent problems.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

"I wouldn't respond here either."

It's unprofessional to ignore your customers just because you don't like what they say.

Also, please explain to me how it's shameful to voice your opinion.

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It's more about how you voice it. Look at everything here, if we think a class could use adjusting, 199/200 threads will be titled along the lines of "OMG QQ! Mage Bard is so stupid! FFXIV is going to lose all its subs!" And 1/200 that reads "Ideas to improve bard".

Also, we give very few suggestions with our whiney entitled rants.


Also "NERF NERF NERF!" and "GIMME GIMME!" And "NOW! NOW! NOW!"




Edit: One great example of us drowning out a response. Just when HW hit the PS store, there was an issue with buying it if you had done the PS3 to PS4 upgrade campaign. A thread popped up about it. In the first couple of pages we had an appropriate response. What happened, people didn't come and look for an answer, about 50 stupid rage threads popped up in the next couple of hours, even though we already had a response, even when the response was pasted in each thread, we ignored and ranted.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Hey! That's just western individualism at work!

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Didn't take long for the wannabes to come in throwing shade at American players. I'm not going to sell any illusions about our flaws but I have a short fuse when it comes to this type of subject.

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Originally Posted by Higashikata

The JP folk actually give well constructed feedback.

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Funny thing about this statement: When someone on this side does give well constructed feedback, they usually get one or all of the following responses:

"git gud"
"Cry baby/whiner"
"Don't let the door hit you on the way out"

Amongst other things, usually in the rudest way a person can respond as well.

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Originally Posted by Ayanno

Funny thing about this statement: When someone on this side does give well constructed feedback, they usually get one or all of the following responses:

"git gud"
"Cry baby/whiner"
"Don't let the door hit you on the way out"

Amongst other things, usually in the rudest way a person can respond as well.

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All of those responses indicate that the original poster in that situation was threatening to leave if X did not happen. Last I checked, threats were not very constructive.

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Originally Posted by Higashikata

All of those responses indicate that the original poster in that situation was threatening to leave if X did not happen. Last I checked, threats were not very constructive.

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Was about to point that out about the last one.

gaijin dont understand the game, they want it more westernised
japanese are smarter and understand everything
we should all worship the japanese

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Didn't take long for the wannabes to come in throwing shade at American players. I'm not going to sell any illusions about our flaws but I have a short fuse when it comes to this type of subject.

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So the west is just americans. Noted.

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Originally Posted by Ayanno

Funny thing about this statement: When someone on this side does give well constructed feedback, they usually get one or all of the following responses:

"git gud"
"Cry baby/whiner"
"Don't let the door hit you on the way out"

Amongst other things, usually in the rudest way a person can respond as well.

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Or worse is that any constructive feedback will be completely ignored and all anyone will continue to do in the thread is bash someone else with anything not as constructive. Typically someone will only read the first page, see something that bothers them, then immediately moves to respond to tell someone off. Doesn't matter if the very next page they were to apologize if they came off too blunt, or were corrected and were humble in accepting that. That's all ignored and you'll have several pages of people just replying to the first page.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

gaijin dont understand the game, they want it more westernised
japanese are smarter and understand everything
we should all worship the japanese

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Please tell me my irony detector is in need of repair.

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Originally Posted by Higashikata

All of those responses indicate that the original poster in that situation was threatening to leave if X did not happen. Last I checked, threats were not very constructive.

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....no. Some of them yes, all? No, not even close.

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Originally Posted by Ayanno

Funny thing about this statement: When someone on this side does give well constructed feedback, they usually get one or all of the following responses:

"git gud"
"Cry baby/whiner"
"Don't let the door hit you on the way out"

Amongst other things, usually in the rudest way a person can respond as well.

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while this is true(to an extent) when most of the thread starters ideas make something either mind numbingly easy or overpowered, its little wonder how some people are going to react to them.

case in point: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...chinist-better

Never said there weren't posts on this forum asking for idiotic things(free tomes because reasons!), was merely pointing out that even when someone posts some well thought out constructive feedback, they get blasted more often then not. One of the differences we have between regions. That was the only point I was trying to make.

Guys stop treating us and yourself as a garbage. :D
We western people have our good sides too lol. SE community sometimes act like Japanese players are some gods.

Mkay, they probably use their brains before they start making new threads which is nice, but it is not only our fault. There were lots of good, big threads with nice suggestions that never got repplies and then there was one thread with <put useless glamour suggestion here> that got dev repply imediately. Fault is on both sides.

But yeah.. many good suggestions here got put down becuase of people like "I don't need this so it is useless suggestion, I don't care if other people want it, SE aim for stuff that I want."

If you collapse all the forums posts into as many threads as the JP forums, I think it'll look about the same reply wise.

Anyway, in JP culture, "Do not cause trouble for others" is typical. From what I hear, they train using PF until they are confident enough to use the DF to do their runs, resulting in a generally more capable DF than western servers.
Another reason I heard is that the strategy used by DF players is synchronized, presumably through forums. That makes it easier for random people to work together because the fights goes the same. Homogeneity = efficiency, at the expense of creativity.

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If you collapse all the forums posts into as many threads as the JP forums, I think it'll look about the same reply wise.

Anyway, in JP culture, "Do not cause trouble for others" is typical. From what I hear, they train using PF until they are confident enough to use the DF to do their runs, resulting in a generally more capable DF than western servers.
Another reason I heard is that the strategy used by DF players is synchronized, presumably through forums. That makes it easier for random people to work together because the fights goes the same. Homogeneity = efficiency, at the expense of creativity.

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There is no need for creativity when the game doesn't allow for it.

Look at that 2014 thread with 6 pages. That must either be some severe necroposting or the Japanese Forum community is smaller than we think.

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

Look at that 2014 thread with 6 pages. That must either be some severe necroposting or the Japanese Forum community is smaller than we think.

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Or they actually use search option to rather necro threads with same theme rather than make 20 same threads in the span of 1 week. hihi