So is it ever gonna pop or am I just wasting my time?

http://i.imgur.com/C469HAq.jpg

Just give it a couple more minutes!

You only have J selected in Languages.

You're on Malboro, which is in the NA/EU Data Groupings.

You created your own problem by not selecting more language groups.

1. Select all language options
2. If your queue lasts twice longer than average wait time, requeue. It works in mysterious ways, but always helps.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

You only have J selected in Languages.

You're on Malboro, which is in the NA/EU Data Groupings.

You created your own problem by not selecting more language groups.

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If he doesn't speak the other languages he shouldn't tick them. Now I assume he speaks english according to this post and his client is in english.

What I really wanted to say was, IF YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH DO NOT TICK "E". I only have E ticked because I want people to understand me in dungeons if we are having problems, but almost always I get the "sorry no enlis" when I try to explain why we just wiped or something

And people speak in french or german in chat. There's an option for that so I wish people would use it.
Or oor, we should be allowed to kick players who doesn't follow the language rule

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

If he doesn't speak the other languages he shouldn't tick them. Now I assume he speaks english according to this post and his client is in english.

What I really wanted to say was, IF YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH DO NOT TICK "E". I only have E ticked because I want people to understand me in dungeons if we are having problems, but almost always I get the "sorry no enlis" when I try to explain why we just wiped or something

And people speak in french or german in chat. There's an option for that so I wish people would use it.
Or oor, we should be allowed to kick players who doesn't follow the language rule

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It is depressing when you only tick E, but still get into a full party of people speaking French or German =/ Dunno if it's a derp of the DF or people just ticking everything for faster queues, but it does make communication super hard.

Become a master of auto translate. And average wait time is misleading. Don't go by that.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

And people speak in french or german in chat. There's an option for that so I wish people would use it.

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There's also the option to select more than one language. Some of us do know more than one language.

I hadn't noticed that only the Japanese language was selected. Thanks for pointing that out. No idea how that happened.

Edit: After selecting all languages it popped in a matter of minutes.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

Become a master of auto translate. And average wait time is misleading. Don't go by that.

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100% this.


I honestly understand why you wouldn't want people in your party who don't speak the same language, even with a great tool like the auto-translate feature. As silly as it may sound, in FFXI, I made some great Japanese friends by using auto translate and I honestly felt it was amazing to help build a bridge between two cultures. But I get that a lot of people want ease of communication.

Hell - you'll probably roll your eyes at this, but I actually made friends with gilsellers in that game too. Because as a Bard I had to camp an NM that dropped both a Rare/EX item and an item that sold for a decent amount. I asked politely if we could party up using the auto-translate. The Minstrel's Tunic was Rare/EX Drop from the NM and I promised them I'd pass on the item that was sellable if they'd be able to help me out, too. Though to be fair - in that game, competition was fierce. Fighting them for the drop wasn't going to be in my benefit.

It was a different experience.

Though hell, I guess people would rather use the auto translate how they want to full thrust inside the miqo'te rear entrance and internal release their fluid aura. <.<

Long and the short of it is, I would hate to miss out on playing with people just because we don't speak the same language.


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Regardless, as far as the OP is concerned for the one who quoted me. He posted on the NA forums. In English. And is on an NA/EU data Center (Molboro.) At the very least, selecting E/D/F (Earth Defense Force!) would probably help him. <.<

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Originally Posted by Rynia

It is depressing when you only tick E, but still get into a full party of people speaking French or German =/ Dunno if it's a derp of the DF or people just ticking everything for faster queues, but it does make communication super hard.

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It's definitely for faster queues. People have been doing it in Dota for years.

Nothing in Duty Finder requires you to write a thesis in order to communicate. You say {Hello}, {This Way}, and {Good Game!}. If other languages in a DF party "depresses" you, then you need to work on being less xenophobic.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

There's also the option to select more than one language. Some of us do know more than one language.

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You are not getting my point. I ONLY tick english because I don't want to read silly french or german in duty finder, I want to play with english speaking players. Yet I always get french people and sometimes german players that don't know a single word of english.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It's definitely for faster queues. People have been doing it in Dota for years.

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In dota you can report them for doing so though. I don't think we are allowed to kick players who don't speak the language they searched for in this game.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

You are not getting my point. I ONLY tick english because I don't want to read silly french or german in duty finder, I want to play with english speaking players. Yet I always get french people and sometimes german players that don't know a single word of english.

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What if you get a french player, who can understand and write english, but decide to write in german?

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

If he doesn't speak the other languages he shouldn't tick them

Or oor, we should be allowed to kick players who doesn't follow the language rule

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What makes you say there's a "language rule"? The only description I see for the language option is its mouse over text that says "Parties will be formed with players who have selected the same languages." It gives no criteria for what reasons you should select one. As others have said, it can be great fun to party with someone from a different language/culture, particularly when we're provided with the translator tool.

This is going to be a great read after I get out from work...

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Originally Posted by FaizeD

Nothing in Duty Finder requires you to write a thesis in order to communicate. You say {Hello}, {This Way}, and {Good Game!}. If other languages in a DF party "depresses" you, then you need to work on being less xenophobic.

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You'd be surprised.

I stopped queuing for multiple languages when I got a group with a tank who only spoke Japanese once. The tank had no idea what he was doing, we couldn't communicate mechanics, many wipes and a disband happened.

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Originally Posted by Adire

You'd be surprised.

I stopped queuing for multiple languages when I got a group with a tank who only spoke Japanese once. The tank had no idea what he was doing, we couldn't communicate mechanics, many wipes and a disband happened.

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Happened to me once - but with a healer.

Still the 'wasted' time there is probably made up for with shorter queue time generally.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

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Might Help if you didn't have only Japanese selected on a NA/EU data center ^^;;;;;;;;;

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Originally Posted by Rynia

It is depressing when you only tick E, but still get into a full party of people speaking French or German =/ Dunno if it's a derp of the DF or people just ticking everything for faster queues, but it does make communication super hard.

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You can actually tell if they clicked all the language options, right click search info and it should be in the corner.

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Originally Posted by Felis

What if you get a french player, who can understand and write english, but decide to write in german?

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First Id be impressed that he knows all the languages. And on the off chance that this would actually happrn.. I wouldnt even be mad!

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

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No theres no real rule. But for what other purpose would they even put the filter there.
yes it can be fun but the experiences Ive had is
"Hi!"
My 3 party members: "salut"

Rest of the dungeon is full of chatter in french.

Im one of those few players who like to socialise and have fun when doing dungeons. And chances are bigger ill find others with the same mindset if they all speak the languages they tick

I once waited 3 hours in queue for Turn 3. Nobody does T3

I tell all my french friends to tick all language, no matter if they speak english or not!

Why would one intentionally get longer queue time because they don't speak english and get paired to a smaller user pool. If it's bother you just use {Please use the auto-translate function.}

If you still are not happy with it, use PF ;)

I tick all languages for faster queues, figuring that since I know the mechanics, language issues would not be my fault. Then again, I don't have a problem with silent parties, or parties full of chat that I can't understand.

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Originally Posted by FaizeD

Nothing in Duty Finder requires you to write a thesis in order to communicate. You say {Hello}, {This Way}, and {Good Game!}. If other languages in a DF party "depresses" you, then you need to work on being less xenophobic.

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You're living in quite an ideal world, right? While this is certainly right for most encounters if every person knows what to do it is not if you got a new player who hasnt got an idea of what do to (or a certain amount of skill to figure mechanics out fast enough). Its even getting worse with a new tank (or heal) who has no clue about their roll and how to play it...
I'm german and I really dislike it when people write german in chats where english(speaking) people are aroung. Its not about being "xenophobic" its about those people are acting extremly unpolite and ignorant. I really dont believe that I have to set up a pf to fing english-speaking people to run dungeons with - havent we all agreed on english being some sort of a world-language that everyone should be able to communicate in (at least a little bit)? Each time a french person says "salut" as greeting I could cry (I'm exaggerating ofc) - does it hurts so bad to say "hi" instead?
I was running SV normal with a friend once - we got paired up with two french people - I, as tank, checked the french healers gear and decided to take it slowly because of that. After the first two groups they started to make fun of that in party chat - and in french ofc. To bad for them that my friend actually does speak french and translated for me - so I started to pull as much as I could - and magically the healer did speak english! I've made that experience quite a few times - french people refuse to speak english unless they really, really have to - so please, dont call me xenophobic because of a behavior of other that should be considered rude and unpolite...

(on a sidenote: most of the germans I encountered who doesnt speak english are kinda poor with german aswell... its no excuse, I know, but it was kinda difficult to communicate with them in their own language already...)

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

No theres no real rule. But for what other purpose would they even put the filter there.
yes it can be fun but the experiences Ive had is
"Hi!"
My 3 party members: "salut"

Rest of the dungeon is full of chatter in french.

Im one of those few players who like to socialise and have fun when doing dungeons. And chances are bigger ill find others with the same mindset if they all speak the languages they tick

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I totally see what you're saying and there's nothing wrong with preferring to play with players who speak the same language (I fall into the same camp!), but its not cool to want to punish other players because they have a different preference than you :(

if its on DF is easy enough that u dont need to communicate , so tick all the languages

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Or, we should be allowed to kick players who doesn't follow the language rule

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this must be the most idiotic thing ive read in a while

I only speak pig Latin in my parties. If you don't like that ogay uckfay ourselfyay.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

There's also the option to select more than one language. Some of us do know more than one language.

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And that's perfectly fine =) It's just... If you end up with two people speaking English only (as seen in the party list and in the search info), and two people speaking German/French and English... Wouldn't the polite thing be to speak the one language they all have in common? Instead of the two people with a secondary option speaking that language instead of English?

My opinion is basically, "If you tick a language option, I expect you to be able to communicate at least passably in that language. If you can't, please don't tick it." Even if it's broken English, it's better than no English at all (and if the more fluent English-speaking people in that case refuse to use slightly easier words to help with the communication, then the problem is on their behalf).

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Originally Posted by Lycinder

You can actually tell if they clicked all the language options, right click search info and it should be in the corner.

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No, that doesn't indicate their selection for the queue, only what languages the claim to be able to speak.

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Originally Posted by thereddee

I tell all my french friends to tick all language, no matter if they speak english or not!

Why would one intentionally get longer queue time because they don't speak english and get paired to a smaller user pool. If it's bother you just use {Please use the auto-translate function.}

If you still are not happy with it, use PF ;)

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...and this right here is one of the reasons I don't like to DF things on my own.

I hope you also provide them with a macro saying something along the lines of, "Sorry, don't speak any English, just ticked it for faster queues." ¬_¬

And yes, I'd love to PF my levelling and trial roulettes. Care to give an example of how that's done?
Edit: sorry for sounding overly bitchy there ^^; While it is something that annoys me, I don't want anyone to think I'm after anyone specific.

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Originally Posted by SevenHeavens

this must be the most idiotic thing ive read in a while

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I find it very rude when people speak a language in chat that everyone doesnt understand. The reason I only tick english. And it truly annoys me when Im asking someone something and he/she cant reply.
So no I find it very legit.
I mean if they try to speak english but dont speak it well its okay. Because then they might want to learn communicate in english better etc. But searching english and speaking another language is rude and should be a legit reason to kick someone

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Originally Posted by Rynia

It is depressing when you only tick E, but still get into a full party of people speaking French or German

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I actually have the opposite problem... I click D, as I speak D (besser als ich shrieb D!) and always end up in groups full of E... when anyone bothers to communicate at all. Usually it's just a mad, helter-skelter run from the beginning to the end, with no one having the time or care to type even (Hello!) (Nice to meet you.)

I use all languages. Why?

- Faster queue times
- I want to meet people from other cultures (yes they play differently)
- I don't get annoyed by little things

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It really depends on the content =P Most dungeons it's fine as you don't need to say much, but it's much more fun when you can talk to the people. But ... eh. If someone screws up repeatedly, you can't tell them why if they don't share a language with you and it's frustrating.

I have no issue with people trying to get faster queues, it's just irritating when that kind of situation arises, and it does surprisingly often on my datacentre. Mostly due to a language group who are stereotyped (sadly pretty accurately) as being generally bad as well as refusing to speak English =P

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

If he doesn't speak the other languages he shouldn't tick them. Now I assume he speaks english according to this post and his client is in english.

What I really wanted to say was, IF YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH DO NOT TICK "E". I only have E ticked because I want people to understand me in dungeons if we are having problems, but almost always I get the "sorry no enlis" when I try to explain why we just wiped or something

And people speak in french or german in chat. There's an option for that so I wish people would use it.
Or oor, we should be allowed to kick players who doesn't follow the language rule

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Because Fuck people who speak spanish or something else, right?....

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Or oor, we should be allowed to kick players who doesn't follow the language rule

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That's gonna be hard for E people on JP server. Unless they follow what JP people did in some duty, if not, prepare for vote kick for gaijin :p

Don't feel bad. I sat for over 80 minutes...on PLD...with all languages selected. It was for Syrcus Tower to finish the weekly. I actually forgot about it after a while. I completed a few Atma books then went to take a poop. I came back and was gonna queue for Trials Roulette when I saw I had Syrcus Tower still in queue, which was at 193 minutes by then. I then logged off and play DC Universe the rest of the night.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

My opinion is basically, "If you tick a language option, I expect you to be able to communicate at least passably in that language. If you can't, please don't tick it." Even if it's broken English, it's better than no English at all (and if the more fluent English-speaking people in that case refuse to use slightly easier words to help with the communication, then the problem is on their behalf).

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Unfortunately for you, it'll never be this way. You see, those who are of DPS main tend to use all means to get into content if they are running solo. By default, I have all messages selected for this reason for when I want to play BRD and NIN. 90% of the time, the group in DF isn't even talking.

That is too funny...I thought it was photoshopped at first.