[dev1016] The New Dyeing Process

I really love the new simplified dying process. I would just like to possibly get clarification on a few things.

To dye an item you just need the original item, a base material, and of course the dye. Would it be possible in the future to:

• dye already colored items using the same process?

My last question is would it also be possible to dye Rare/Unique gear using the same process? Like, Revolutionaries Bliaud is amazing but the color is...not so great.

That is all I have to ask~

Would love info on this as well =) I'm hoping we can dye items already crafted or have been dyed. Also, brought this up in another thread but hoping that the recent recipe list update (the recent search recipe list I mean, not the post a few days ago) just left out some color variations for the new items. I hope they aren't restricting color choices once again for certain gear... would feel like yet another step backwards in that regard.

Well I'm fairly certain there won't be dye color restrictions on gear. My reasoning for this is that within the same type of gear the examples aren't consistent. Example:

Felt Coif is listed in Black and Grey
Felt Hat is listed in Green and Red
Felt Gloves are listed in Blue
Felt Barret is listed in Blue, Brown and Red

With the current dye tiers the color is consistent across the same material. I think this heavily supports the example theory.

So there we can probably make more color variations than the ones listed? That'd be cool.

But I'm asking if it will be possible to color items that are already colored in the future.

I think they could have gone with a more simple route with dying armors. for example. Simply have the dye, talk to an NPC and pay a small fee. I do believe they have future plans with the route they are taking though.. so guess we will have to wait and see.

Maybe I'm wrong, but from what Yoshi said I thought that the new dye system was something like an upgrade to the base item and the colored item has better stats for certain roles (as he mentioned the Cobalt Plate set and the Red Cobalt Plate set with better stats for tanking).
For exemple, I noticed that every tier of robe has two different colors, so I guess that one has better stats for healing and the other one for dps (or one is better for thau and the other for conj).

So, I think that there is a color restriction for gears and that also you won't chose a different color based on wich one you like, but based on stats, so actually you won't have any choice.

Honestly the new dye system seems easy and all, but to me it sounds like a huge step backwards in terms of customization, but I really hope to have misunderstood the whole thing.

Same here, Nuru. While I do like the idea of dyeing while crafting an item, I think it's good to also have the option for it to be further changed after being crafted if you so desire. I'd also be happy if they have a preview feature before committing to a new dye color (at least when using the npc!).

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Maybe I'm wrong, but from what Yoshi said I thought that the new dye system was something like an upgrade to the base item and the colored item has better stats for certain roles (as he mentioned the Cobalt Plate set and the Red Cobalt Plate set with better stats for tanking).
For exemple, I noticed that every tier of robe has two different colors, so I guess that one has better stats for healing and the other one for dps (or one is better for thau and the other for conj).

So, I think that there is a color restriction for gears and that also you won't chose a different color based on wich one you like, but based on stats, so actually you won't have any choice.

Honestly the new dye system seems easy and all, but to me it sounds like a huge step backwards in terms of customization, but I really hope to have misunderstood the whole thing.

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I never heard of that, all ive heard was that certain tiers are allowed a certain amount of colors. Its to distinguish what level a player may be by seeing what color their gear is.

I doubt color will have anything to do with stats.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

So there we can probably make more color variations than the ones listed? That'd be cool.

But I'm asking if it will be possible to color items that are already colored in the future.

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As far as that's concerned, really not sure. I'd also love an answer to that.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

I doubt color will have anything to do with stats.

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I'm quite sure Yoshi said something like that, I'm gonna look for the post.

EDIT: here it is http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post307119

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Originally Posted by Nuru

I never heard of that, all ive heard was that certain tiers are allowed a certain amount of colors. Its to distinguish what level a player may be by seeing what color their gear is.

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But then that's kind of negated by the example I posted above with their examples not having any kind of consistency and encompassing most of the colors we have.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Maybe I'm wrong, but from what Yoshi said I thought that the new dye system was something like an upgrade to the base item and the colored item has better stats for certain roles (as he mentioned the Cobalt Plate set and the Red Cobalt Plate set with better stats for tanking).
For exemple, I noticed that every tier of robe has two different colors, so I guess that one has better stats for healing and the other one for dps (or one is better for thau and the other for conj).

So, I think that there is a color restriction for gears and that also you won't chose a different color based on wich one you like, but based on stats, so actually you won't have any choice.

Honestly the new dye system seems easy and all, but to me it sounds like a huge step backwards in terms of customization, but I really hope to have misunderstood the whole thing.

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I think that was mis-translated considering the Cobalt gear itself can be seen as a tanking piece. So was he saying the piece of gear was for tanking or that specifically the color red was for tanking? Also if that's true, why is the Steel version of that set listed in blue? Would you not want red for tanking purposes?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I think that was mis-translated considering the Cobalt gear itself can be seen as a tanking piece. So was he saying the piece of gear was for tanking or that specifically the color red was for tanking? Also if that's true, why is the Steel version of that set listed in blue? Would you not want red for tanking purposes?

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If the color system is working as an upgrade then the whole process of dyeing is something like another synth for the same piece with another chance of failure (you want better stats? you have to work and risk for that). To me it makes sense, especially after looking carefully at the new recipe list: every piece of gear that already lead to a particular role have only one color variation (plate set, hauby, tunic) while those that could be used with different roles have more variety (robes, shirts, crafting and gathering gears).

About the steel being blue... well I just don't know ^^' when I first read that thing I thought that every color would be linked to a specific role from R1 to 50 but clearely it's not the case, maybe that's because using always the same color would have been boring...

You also run into the issue that if Red = tanking, why would there be red robes =P

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Originally Posted by Alcide

I'm quite sure Yoshi said something like that, I'm gonna look for the post.

EDIT: here it is http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post307119

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From that link:

Cobalt Sabaton (Armorer Recipe)
(Level49 gear) *High level range foot gear (for tanks)

Cobalt Sabaton[RD] (Armorer Recipe)
(Gear level 49) *For tanks, enhanced cobalt sabaton with better stats

To me, that means that all colored versions will have enhanced stats but they'll be the same. There will essentially be undyed gear stats and dyed gear stats. So Red doesn't necessarily mean much of anything but the fact that it's dyed does. The dying process does add a piece to the gear so it would make sense that it has some enhanced stats.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

From that link:

Cobalt Sabaton (Armorer Recipe)
(Level49 gear) *High level range foot gear (for tanks)

Cobalt Sabaton[RD] (Armorer Recipe)
(Gear level 49) *For tanks, enhanced cobalt sabaton with better stats

To me, that means that all colored versions will have enhanced stats but they'll be the same. There will essentially be undyed gear stats and dyed gear stats. So Red doesn't necessarily mean much of anything but the fact that it's dyed does. The dying process does add a piece to the gear so it would make sense that it has some enhanced stats.

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That explains why an extra plate of cobalt is needed for that dying recipe. That's interesting.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

From that link:

Cobalt Sabaton (Armorer Recipe)
(Level49 gear) *High level range foot gear (for tanks)

Cobalt Sabaton[RD] (Armorer Recipe)
(Gear level 49) *For tanks, enhanced cobalt sabaton with better stats

To me, that means that all colored versions will have enhanced stats but they'll be the same. There will essentially be undyed gear stats and dyed gear stats. So Red doesn't necessarily mean much of anything but the fact that it's dyed does. The dying process does add a piece to the gear so it would make sense that it has some enhanced stats.

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You could be right, but then why on the list there's only one color variation for the plates, two for robes and three for gathering gears? If they wanted to just show the process without putting every different color then why putting more recipes for a certain type of equip and only one for another?
Also, it isn't casual: if you want a plate set you obviousely want to tank, so there's only certain stats you would need (1 color variation), on the other hand if you equip a robe you could either heal or go dps so there are two different "builds" that you might want (2 color variations) and if you equip a jacket you could either be a miner, a botanist or a fisher (3 color variations) and these are just a few exemples, but if you look carefully at the whole list trying to imagine colors as different upgrades for different roles it does make sense for every recipe.
That's why I think we won't be able to use any dying recipe that's not already listed and I think that the same gear in two differents colors will have different stats, but I really hope to be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

You could be right, but then why on the list there's only one color variation for the plates, two for robes and three for gathering gears? If they wanted to just show the process without putting every different color then why putting more recipes for a certain type of equip and only one for another?
Also, it isn't casual: if you want a plate set you obviousely want to tank, so there's only certain stats you would need (1 color variation), on the other hand if you equip a robe you could either heal or go dps so there are two different "builds" that you might want (2 color variations) and if you equip a jacket you could either be a miner, a botanist or a fisher (3 color variations) and these are just a few exemples, but if you look carefully at the whole list trying to imagine colors as different upgrades for different roles it does make sense for every recipe.
That's why I think we won't be able to use any dying recipe that's not already listed and I think that the same gear in two differents colors will have different stats, but I really hope to be wrong.

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I think you are on to something here. What you are saying does make complete sense, but it just hasn't been confirmed that red is the "only" color you can dye it. I'm not saying that i disagree though, to be honest I think you are spot on.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

You could be right, but then why on the list there's only one color variation for the plates, two for robes and three for gathering gears? If they wanted to just show the process without putting every different color then why putting more recipes for a certain type of equip and only one for another?
Also, it isn't casual: if you want a plate set you obviousely want to tank, so there's only certain stats you would need (1 color variation), on the other hand if you equip a robe you could either heal or go dps so there are two different "builds" that you might want (2 color variations) and if you equip a jacket you could either be a miner, a botanist or a fisher (3 color variations) and these are just a few exemples, but if you look carefully at the whole list trying to imagine colors as different upgrades for different roles it does make sense for every recipe.
That's why I think we won't be able to use any dying recipe that's not already listed and I think that the same gear in two differents colors will have different stats, but I really hope to be wrong.

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However currently we have dye tiers which are consistent across the same material. Look to my example above with felt. Almost every color we have is represented among different gear. This leads me to believe the color recipes listed are simply examples.

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From dat mining it seems I was right.
Discuss.

I think it's odd that dyed items now give different stats. WHAT IF I LIKE THE ORIGINAL COLOR!? WILL I BE CALLED GIMP!? lol are the stats for color gear even that much more significant to even matter?

Can we start a list of what color = what?

Balls. I was hoping that wouldn't be the case. Well hopefully they'll add in more color variants for existing gear later on.

THERE NEEDS TO BE MOAR GREEN GEAR D:

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

THERE NEEDS TO BE MOAR GREEN GEAR D:

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Also Purple gear, our LS colors after all :p

I'm assuming there will be more variations next patch. -Hopefully- lol

I'm also assuming they're going to bring back pink dye after 1.20. Currently the materials for it no longer drop so whatever people have is what's in the game. Also in 1.20 we'll lose the recipe to make it so if they don't put one in, pink gear will be super rare.

well, it seems you can only obtain the dye from quarrying? I'm not a miner so I wouldn't know lol

All the secondary gathering actions can give dye. So the 3 main regions have different dye for each gathering class so there's 9 dye total for now.

ohhh! I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING AFTER CLASS

I see allot of the recipes on LS only have a couple colors, are they just examples or are the recipes really limited. Basically what im wondering is, can you make plated armor any of the new colors.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

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From dat mining it seems I was right.
Discuss.

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you shouldnt announce that your dat mining since its a banable offense, fyi.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

ohhh! I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING AFTER CLASS

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Just might require a bit of patience lol. From what I tried last night (Some grade 1 and 2 spots) dye is a bit rare. It may have a higher drop rate from higher grades though.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

I see allot of the recipes on LS only have a couple colors, are they just examples or are the recipes really limited. Basically what im wondering is, can you make plated armor any of the new colors.

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From what I've seen, no. I haven't tried it myself yet but that seems to be how it is.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Just might require a bit of patience lol. From what I tried last night (Some grade 1 and 2 spots) dye is a bit rare. It may have a higher drop rate from higher grades though.



From what I've seen, no. I haven't tried it myself yet but that seems to be how it is.

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i guess the item search counter would have all the available colors in it, i was hoping for some black plated armor.

Seriously disappointed in SE restricting colors to certain gear once again. But as others have said, hopefully they'll expand the color options for gear in the future. Still... what the hell, man.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

you shouldnt announce that your dat mining since its a banable offense, fyi.

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Well actually it wasn't me since I'm kinda noob for those things, i just saw a link ^^' and btw that's the reason why I didn't post any pic.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Well actually it wasn't me since I'm kinda noob for those things, i just saw a link ^^' and btw that's the reason why I didn't post any pic.

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i wasn't trying to be negative towards you or anything, just giving heads up. I seen allot of stuff too:)