Inventory space suggestion

I hate random suggestion posts, so I'll make one I guess.

We all have inventory issues, and SE has constantly reminded us that it's pretty much our problem.

So here is my suggestion, (If it's been made before, sorry)... It also comes from FFXI (Sorry ffxi haters).

Key items for full armor sets:

FFXI had a system where you could farm the full set of an armor type (rare armors, think green / blue) trade that full set to an npc and get a key item ticket that you could trade in and get that full set back at any time.

Ex.... Trade in full set of High Allagan Fending set, get key item "High Alligan Fending X Ticket"




We all have more than enough key item slots to hold a few of these tickets, and it should reduce server loads by reducing 5 items down to 1.

It's simplistic, and I don't know if it could be implemented. But I would like it.

** Edit: From FFXI

FANTASY XI Development Team (24/3/2005)

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In the previous version update, a new service was added allowing players to safely store full sets of artifact armor for a small fee. Due to the positive feedback regarding this new feature, the development team has decided to expand the equipment storage service to include over thirty new sets of various low-level armor and clothing. After trading a full set (consisting of 4 to 5 pieces) to one of four NPCs located in each of the major nations, players will receive a claim slip that can be presented when they wish to have their armor returned.

Whether for level-restricted orb battles, Promathia missions, or for raising support jobs, low-level equipment can eat up a lot of room in a player's Mog Safe. Utilizing this feature will make it easier to store and retrieve space-consuming armor sets, while leaving Mog Safes open to hold more important items. The days of throwing away sleepshrooms to open slots for your silver gauntlets are over!

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We have 25 Key Item slots. Even if you ignore the fact that these Key Item slots are used for things like quest items and maps, 25 is WAY too small a number for a lot of glamour enthusiasts.

A ticketing system to hold full sets of armor isn't a terrible idea (they DO condense five items into one - six, if you include belt or weapon, and seven if you include both), but these tickets should stay out of the Key Item inventory.

I believe they said the key item inventory is the same size as our normal inventory the extra pages are not able to be accessed until the subsequent one is filled. I want to say I saw Yoshi or a dev mention this before. I could be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

We have 25 Key Item slots. Even if you ignore the fact that these Key Item slots are used for things like quest items and maps, 25 is WAY too small a number for a lot of glamour enthusiasts.

A ticketing system to hold full sets of armor isn't a terrible idea (they DO condense five items into one - six, if you include belt or weapon, and seven if you include both), but these tickets should stay out of the Key Item inventory.

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What? I'm counting 75 slots. I don't even think there's a real limit to them programmed in, those are just the slots you can visualize.

http://i.imgur.com/fR9iGuE.png

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

We have 25 Key Item slots.

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http://i.imgur.com/XkA6lh0.png

Looks like 75 spots to me.

Aha looks like Wilan beat me to the punch.
Maybe he could spare some of those shards with me....

But my question is why even have it as a key item? Just make it a normal item. A full set of gear could be up to 13 items for some classes. For every 13 items on your retainer that could be made into 1 ticket, that seems like a great way to save space.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Aha looks like Wilan beat me to the punch.
Maybe he could spare some of those shards with me....

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I never even really farm for those. I think the majority of them came from v1.0, when monsters (other than sprites) used to drop shards on death.

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Originally Posted by Wilan

I never even really farm for those. I think the majority of them came from v1.0, when monsters (other than sprites) used to drop shards on death.

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Those were the days.
I still remember the first time I noticed I had shards by the thousands. Not knowing what they were for at the time. So I sold them to an NPC to get some spending cash.
The next day I decided to start up a crafting class. Boy did I suddenly feel sheepish!

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Originally Posted by Arkanethered

We all have more than enough key item slots to hold a few of these tickets, and it should reduce server loads by reducing 5 items down to 1.

It's simplistic, and I don't know if it could be implemented. But I would like it.

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As a player point of view, thats a nice idea.

However as a programmer point of view, the place it would take to add one token per existing (and all future) gear sets would take a lot of extra data space with little real impact on the player base.
I'm pretty sure people rarely possess an etire gear set at any given time (most people get the best pieces of 2-3 sets to have BIS). If anything that could create even more space problems because people would start to hold extra pieces "in case the missing ones drops soon". I'm not convinced this would reduce server stress either, you'd have less equipement, but you'd have more tokens in your key item menu.

I don't think I've ever even come close to filling ONE page in key items, let alone all three. If there was a way to change those extra two pages into regular inventory pages, I think it would help immensely. Then again, I know nothing of programming, so there may be some technical reason it can't happen. I just wish they could.

Good idea, OP.

I feel like just being able to discard items directly from your retainer's inventory would solve most inventory space issues. ಠ_ಠ

The only addendum I would make is have it based on our own gear sets, instead of fixed sets of gear. I see no real problems, because you have to forfeit the items while in possession of the claim check. One item with special data vs giving the entire player base more inventory/retainers. I wonder which one is really harder?

Still waiting for that tacklebox.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

But my question is why even have it as a key item? Just make it a normal item. A full set of gear could be up to 13 items for some classes. For every 13 items on your retainer that could be made into 1 ticket, that seems like a great way to save space.

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Because we have so many free key item spaces. Instead of trying to add more inventory, or convert key item space to inventory space, they can just add key items without needing to seriously convert their inventory system.

Typically the FFXI set was only the "left hand side" armor set. Acc, you were still on your own. This made it to where you only needed 5 items, so it was easier to farm that fifth piece.

Basically, this system would trade 5 inventory slots for one key item slot.


Thanks for the responses everyone!

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Originally Posted by lordoftheapes79

Still waiting for that tacklebox.

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Watch we get all of it at one time. :p

these suggestions don't really matter when one of their objectives is to get people to pay for more retainers.

I like this idea. It was actually pretty clunky in XI due to the gear swapping mechanics and the fact that even though you had to have the full set to store, only one or two items would be considered BIS, and also the amount of time and effort it would take to complete some sets, so there was always those things you couldn't store and for what you could you always ended up having to swap things around in inventory/storage every other time you changed jobs. Could work a lot better in a game like XIV and help out immensely with inventory issues.

If also a crafter/land classes wish the gave them a separate tab for armory to separate it from job/class gear be nice as well what I can dream can't I >.>

Keep in mind the reason for using a key item is because it takes up less memory - 1 bit, potentially. This means they likely wouldn't use actual key items (FFXI had hundreds of permanent key items), but it also means you would lose all customization for all stored items: materia, spiritbond, and so on. Or to put it another way, the FFXI storage system already exists in FFXIV, in the form of the Armoire. Storing sets of arbitrary items as a key item doesn't actually solve any of the problems the game has with inventory.

Thought this was a good way to do a glamour log and if that isn't enough space saved I figured they could go one step further.

Items turning/generating tokens named to the area they're from and X amount of those area tokens unlock that area's glamour. So say for example 12 tokens of Brayflox would unlock Brayflox glamour page. For the many pieces of gear in an area all you have to know is once "unlocked: yes, no". Rather than "yes fending, slaying, aiming, casting, etc" or being unable to get that ring of fending to drop so you can't unlock the page. Seasonal would be "did you get the achievement for the event?". Little to remember for a lot of access.

Couple considerations though. You have to decide if the set is consumed to make a token or if there is an easy non-abuse-able non-memory consuming way to generate a token. I think an easy way without consuming the item (because that'd be a bummer) is that any item that has generated 1% of spirit binding from 0% makes a token. This is perfect because it means if you want to use it for the glamour book it must be "yours" and also means SE doesn't need to add some memory consuming special new "made token, yes/no?" because 1% is a single occurrence (minus things that go in the armorie, which they might as well automatically add to the glamour). So the only extra piece of information is 1 field per major category and a token, fairly minimal. The con and pro is that you could unlock a set from a bunch of unrelated items (half a fending, half a slaying, a few casting - all of Bray unlocked), but that would also mean reduced stress of unlucky drops (lose the idea of completing a set, gain a little freedom from RNG). To save time I'd consider adding a bind button that voluntarily adds 1% bind for free (so you don't have to kill one monster to generate the token).

Many posters here don't seem to realize that FFXI eventually upgraded from the key item system to the claim check system. Both had their advantages. The claim check system consumed an item of your inventory, but it allowed you to store partial sets of AF, and even multiple sets all on one ticket. The closest comparison to its FFXIV counterpart is the armoire.

And that's where I think the biggest improvement could be implemented. I think more gear should qualify for armoire storage. Now that 2.0 jobs are getting myth gear for completing their level 50 quest, myth gear should be added to that list.

I don't mind the inventory space. I'd like to see a free retainer or two with each expansion. That would solve the inventory space dilema - especially since they are adding a way to load gearsets from retainers.

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Originally Posted by Wilan

What? I'm counting 75 slots. I don't even think there's a real limit to them programmed in, those are just the slots you can visualize.

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Eh, egg on my face, then. Must be a PC thing, cuz on PS4, I only ever see one page of 25 slots for Key Items. I've never actually filled the entire page, but with the right quests open I know I easily could have. It could be that a second page becomes selectable once the first page is full, but by default the second page isn't viewable on PS4, as far as I know.

If there really is no limit to the number of Key Item pages, then it probably wouldn't be terrible to implement armor storage using Key Items - though it does have the potential of introducing a lot of clutter to the Key Item inventory...

SE needs to do something about inventory. Even the armoury chest is running out of room now that there are 12 fighting jobs, 8 crafting and 3 gathering, each with unique gear. That fills 23/25 slots, leaving only 2 for situational gear sets. That will be gone completely once the next jobs are released.

For general storage, there are some big space killers. Culinarian ingredients takes up a full 3 pages of one of my 4 retainers. Fishing tackle has long been a problem. Dye, materia, gardening supplies, are all things that can burn space quickly.

Designing a solution should reflect the current pain points.

A separate tackle box would be huge for in field inventory. New storage options (maybe tied to housing but that is another sore point for many) could be designed such as a Pantry (for cooking materials and food), a Garden Shed for seeds, soil, chocobo raising supplies. One advantage of housing tied storage is that there is no need to load data unless you are in the housing zone.