Please consider Alexander ilvl req to 165

While I understand the desire to set this to i170, one thing I think that was missed was that there are a few slots of jewelry which are better crafted and melded than the law gear for some classes, and these are i150 which drag the average ilvl down. So even with a full set of law, minus 3 pieces of jewerly, you'll be i165. The alternative at that point is to go ahead and just buy the 3 pieces with law which you won't use much except to initially get into alexander, or grind out some esoteric pieces while at the same time upgrading your i170 to i180. Again, totally doable, but should be completely unnecessary. It seems to me having such a tight ilvl restriction defeats the purpose of the ilvl requirement system to begin with (Intention of the system here).

This sort of aligns with what you'd like so I'll echo here, get rid of the ilvl restriction for premade parties please. Total nuisance when I got blocked and had to acc shuffle my healer or bard back in FCoB days just so I could get in the watered down echo DF version, something I've no doubt would repeat again in future.

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Originally Posted by vex

... or grind out some esoteric pieces while at the same time upgrading your i170 to i180...

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Now when a player reaches 60, he unlocks Law and he needs grind Law before he can do Alex...
i think the design just gate fresh 60 from Alex. make sure they have grinded a while (regardless they are rich or not) before doing Alex ^^;

The opposite is also true, where someone can pimp out in 180 accessories, 160 weapon, and 160-170 rest of gear and be less useful than a full 170 person. The whole ilvl system is bad.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Now when a player reaches 60, he unlocks Law and he needs grind Law before he can do Alex...
i think the design just gate fresh 60 from Alex. make sure they have grinded a while (regardless they are rich or not) before doing Alex ^^;

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I dont mind putting some level of grind in before alex to get geared up. My only point is that the spirit of the ilvl restrictions was to keep undergeared people from leaping ahead in content on the backs of geared players (at least thats what I gather with the initial post about it). Sadly, though as a Dragoon wearing Yasha Earring for example, is 35 str 20 chr 29 acc.. and is ilvl 170. My crafted earrings are 31 str 23 det 24 chr and 17 acc, yet only ilvl 150. My reasoning for i165 is still to require left side law, right side can get away with 2 law pieces, and 3 crafted pieces.

Perhaps the answer can also be that melding adds supplemental amounts to the items ilvl.

lol, no, the whole point or atleast part of the point is so that people have time to learn how to play their classes properly and give you time to learn mechanics of bosses and such that may or may not be in the alex raid,the alex raid is hardcore and they expect you to do the easier raids to get better, no just no. (thats my opinion I may be wrong on the exact reasons)

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The opposite is also true, where someone can pimp out in 180 accessories, 160 weapon, and 160-170 rest of gear and be less useful than a full 170 person. The whole ilvl system is bad.

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This, so much.

The ilvl should have different weights for different gear pieces.
Weapon should weight at least 5, body/legs at least 4, hands/feet/head at least 3, belt 2 and accessories 1.

The system we have now, weapon weights 2 and everything else weights 1.
Which is very dumb

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

lol, no, the whole point or atleast part of the point is so that people have time to learn how to play their classes properly and give you time to learn mechanics of bosses and such that may or may not be in the alex raid,the alex raid is hardcore and they expect you to do the easier raids to get better, no just no. (thats my opinion I may be wrong on the exact reasons)

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There will always be sucky players but it's a bit disingenuous to say that a player is a better player because of their ilvl. I think the vast majority of us disagree with that. The link I posted was from a SE Poster who stated it was done to ensure the gear was on par. My issue is that if it's gear based, then the ilvl needs to actually be correct, otherwise you need to add some amount of leeway. By requiring i170, they simply added "full law gear" as a baseline, without any consideration to melded crafted items of lower ilvl that are better than law.

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Originally Posted by vex

...Sadly, though as a Dragoon wearing Yasha Earring for example, is 35 str 20 chr 29 acc.. and is ilvl 170. My crafted earrings are 31 str 23 det 24 chr and 17 acc, yet only ilvl 150.....

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I agree iLV-req has this so mystery issue and now I just feel iLV was designed to restrict new players only.
For example the WHM may even equip STR accessories to reach the iLV-req if he already has those accessories...

Why? It's easy to get law tomes the game practically throws it at you.

premade groups shouldn't need an ilvl. I don't agree with lowering for df.

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

lol, no, the whole point or atleast part of the point is so that people have time to learn how to play their classes properly and give you time to learn mechanics of bosses and such that may or may not be in the alex raid,the alex raid is hardcore and they expect you to do the easier raids to get better, no just no. (thats my opinion I may be wrong on the exact reasons)

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Is it really that hard to learn the new mechanics between Aetherochemical Research Facility and Alex without a grind? I can hardly think of a job that gets its gameplay flipped on it's head immediately after completing their final job quest. After getting as far as this in the game, even people who entered FFXIV as total gaming scrubs should be equipped with the knowledge to grasp their final ability quicker than that. Not to mention that the only other dungeons remaining are the Fractal Continuum and Neverreap while everything else is lower and way further off the track forward. A law grind isn't going to encourage people to play the now-obsolete hard and savage mode dungeons.

I do think one of two things should happen. Either materia should modify an items level, or the iLvl requirement should take a slight drop. At i165 you'd still need a decent amount of Law anyway. It would be ridiculously troublesome to get materia into every equipment slot and surpass i165 compared to mixing that with Law items.

Unfortunately, there's no simple way to gauge a players competence, but if there was, iLvl requirements would be a fair bit lower for some players.

Just equip the law jewelry to enter the fight, then when in there, switch back to your pentamelded i150. Super easy, this already has a workaround.

i170 requirement is good where it is.

If entry requirements are reduced, the chances of clearing via Duty Finder become less. You will more likely find people with basic gear joining rather than those with melded accessories.

Maybe they could increase the item level of melded gear, such as +2 for each meld, so that an i150 accessory with 5 melds would be regarded as i160 by the system and grant you entry?

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

If entry requirements are reduced, the chances of clearing via Duty Finder become less. You will more likely find people with basic gear joining rather than those with melded accessories.

Maybe they could increase the item level of melded gear, such as +2 for each meld, so that an i150 accessory with 5 melds would be regarded as i160 by the system and grant you entry?

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"Basic gear"? With a 5 ilvl less requirement? To get in with i165, they still have to have almost all law with exception of 3 pieces which can be as low as i150. There's nothing to stop someone wearing "All Class" i150 gear along with several pieces of say i200 gear and still get in. Item level itself just isn't representative of the gear power of the character it's on. I just think its silly to make the requirement "full law gear". Make materia adjust ilvl, or don't center requirement around *one set* of gear.

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Originally Posted by vex

There will always be sucky players but it's a bit disingenuous to say that a player is a better player because of their ilvl. I think the vast majority of us disagree with that. The link I posted was from a SE Poster who stated it was done to ensure the gear was on par. My issue is that if it's gear based, then the ilvl needs to actually be correct, otherwise you need to add some amount of leeway. By requiring i170, they simply added "full law gear" as a baseline, without any consideration to melded crafted items of lower ilvl that are better than law.

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ilv doesn't make a player better but the higher ilv the gear is does mean the easier the dungeon will be

After hitting the enrage 3 times with a blm who had a mix of 160 and 180 gear with a 160 weapon, who barely met the minimum ilvl, I'd prefer they keep it at 170. While mechanically easy these fights still have an enrage. The current ilvl doesn't require hunts or extraneous grind besides minimal farming for law.

Equip higher iLvl accessory, swap to crafted when inside.