Sheltron should be 1-2 second block

The reason being...on many fights a random autoattack will screw your day.

It already has an absurdedly long animation delay (about 1 second to actually pop up) coupled with timing it well, it really should be on demand guaranteed mitigation.

Especially noticeable on Ravana, where it is about a 50% chance Ravana will just do a random no animation no delay melee attack right before blinding blade.

http://i.imgur.com/HRsIw0B.jpg
Use other cooldowns. You don't have any shortage of anti-phys CDs.
I could see this being a worthy complaint if Sheltron's CD was at least a minute long.

That picture <3

I know what you're taking about, and I learned when to activate sheltron to block blinding blade.
Git Gud

Shortening the length wouldn't really accomplish much in its current state just use it at the right time. This can be pretty tricky due to latency though.

I feel like they should definitely make it block magic damage for one. Or at least cut it by 50%...

They could also make it so it only blocks attacks that deal over 15% of your max HP and increase its cool down a little bit. It would be kind of easy mode but you'd still have to know when the tank buster is coming.

Sheltron has some sort of auto trigger effect on big hits, I've noticed it in Alex Savage(where autoattacks and cleaves are closely weaved) and T13 while unsynced(an autoattack wouldn't trigger Sheltron directly after the long cast of Flatten).

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Sheltron has some sort of auto trigger effect on big hits, I've noticed it in Alex Savage(where autoattacks and cleaves are closely weaved) and T13 while unsynced(an autoattack wouldn't trigger Sheltron directly after the long cast of Flatten).

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This i have also noticed.

I feel like all the cries of 'git gud' would have any merit in a game with better servers. :V

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an autoattack wouldn't trigger Sheltron directly after the long cast of Flatten).

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'Cause like all abilities th' effect is animation locked, but already happened. The flatten went off, ate the block, then an autoattack occurred, then the flatten 'happened'.

It's the same idea as benediction an' hallowed ground hittin' ya but endin' up on yer corpse.

I almost think sheltron should block magic instead of physical. Wouldn't get eaten by an auto-attack that way.

I think Sheltron should block physical AND magical attacks. Especially since it's a half dome over your shield. Not to mention right now it's comparatively weak to Inner Beast where it can be popped in roughly 8 seconds less to a much greater effect (100% lifesteal + 20% less damage from ALL hits taken for 6 seconds)

Inner Beast is a GCD ability that requires 5 stacks of Wrath. While it is the strongest single CD in the game in terms of uptime, it requires some management other than just waiting for it to come off cooldown.
Inner Beast is not even comparable to Sheltron. Inner Beast is the cornerstone of WAR's mitigation while Sheltron is but one of PLD's many abilities.

Sheltron is really good. Alexander Savage is designed in such a way Sheltron can't be properly used. That's it.

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Sheltron is really good. Alexander Savage is designed in such a way Sheltron can't be properly used. That's it.

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Kind of, but I'm pretty sure they just have auto attacks set up as a timer that just goes off on a regular interval. I believe this can cause a situation where it can go off between the time that a boss's cast timer ends and the time that the animation finishes and damage is actually applied. If the boss sneaks an auto in that window it eats the sheltron buff so it doesn't get used on the tank buster.

Sheltron should work like 1.0, when it allows you to block magic spells.

Ironically, Paladins were considered weak for 90% of the 1.0 end game, but i think most 3.0 paladins would love to have the 1.0 kit. The self heal they had was powerful and instant cast. They had an AoE 'enmity' power that was like an aoe provoke around them. All sorts of other great stuff that sadly got tabled for things like....tempered will.

Woo.

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Sheltron is really good. Alexander Savage is designed in such a way Sheltron can't be properly used. That's it.

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Correct. If this was 2.0 content, Sheltron would be amazing.

Sadly, SE went away from that. Physical damage is constant auto attacks.
Busters are magic.

GG Paladins XD

Could only block the next ability only and let auto attacks through.

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Could only block the next ability only and let auto attacks through.

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Would make it useless in situations where you only take autos and want to block them?

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Would make it useless in situations where you only take autos and want to block them?

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Like...when would you want to do that? I mean on a boss that does no physical busters it would be okay sure, but the amount of healing saved would be something like 1k every minute, not very compelling. Compared to shaving off 3-5k from a buster.

Only scenario I would think that would make a noticeable difference is when an enemy is powered up, but even then...not really. It is a good suggestion to make it block abilities only.

PLDs had a aoe Provoke in 1.0 ...wtf
a Instant Self Heal ? WTF
Sheltron Blocked Magic and Physical
WHY DID SE DESTROY THIS GOD !

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PLDs had a aoe Provoke in 1.0 ...wtf
a Instant Self Heal ? WTF
Sheltron Blocked Magic and Physical
WHY DID SE DESTROY THIS GOD !

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"THIS GOD" was a shelf tank in favor of WAR in 1.0 and was never used despite all those "cool things" you were talking about. If anything, SE fixed PLD in 2.0 and made it the tank of choice instead of the shelf-tank.

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"THIS GOD" was a shelf tank in favor of WAR in 1.0 and was never used despite all those "cool things" you were talking about. If anything, SE fixed PLD in 2.0 and made it the tank of choice instead of the shelf-tank.

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Yes but mostly cause Wars in 2.0 were absolutely terrible. Note that after 2.1 wars were generally considered better in most content, but theres was no reason to not have both because of rage of halone, the fact all busters were until very late coils all physical, and hallowed could be use to cheese mechanics.

The new meta supports none of these ideas or at least not very well.


I'm fine with paladins having low damage if

1) Their enmity was adjusted significantly, especially in sword oath.
2) Their utility was stronger and not as anal. Divine Veil not needing a proc/effecting them. A GCD Heal. Sheltron on magic.
3) Their traits for Awarness and Covalescence being frankly, stronger (given these are shared powers).
---Cova: Reduce recast to 60 seconds, remove the extra 10%
---Awarness: Reduce recast to 60 seconds, remove extra duration. Attacks that would have landed as critical strikes instead are reflected at 300 potency.
---Tempered Will: Effects the Paladin and all allies within 10 yalms.
---Cover: Changed. The Paladin is surrounded in a field of protective energies, reducing physical damage taken by all nearby party members by 20%. If a party member is selected, Cover will instead only effect them but increase the value to 50%

Beyond that...Goring Blade should be a stand alone power
Royal Authority should chain off Riot Blade
A new combo finisher should be placed where Royal Authority used to be: 'Save the Queen'--Strikes for 240 potency and applies a damage shield on the Paladin for 400 potency for 6 seconds. The potency of the shield is not penalized by shield oath.

That get me to pick up my paladin again at least ^_^

That would just be way too over powered 300 potency? That's like a rage of halone +60 potency, not to mention Drks and Wars get no benefit of this. Again cover WAY to over powered it'd make some fights a joke where having 2 plds would have perma covered. Enmity is fine my pld friend with hive weapon holds threat and does okay dps just fine. Paladins already have enough utility making them into a god class makes this new expac even more imbalanced, SE just needs to make minor tweaks to classes and that's it. No tanks are trash everything has been cleared this patch (minus AS4 and maybe 3 haven't been checking) with all 3 tanks just gotta choose how you run your static optimally.

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That would just be way too over powered 300 potency? That's like a rage of halone +60 potency, not to mention Drks and Wars get no benefit of this. Again cover WAY to over powered it'd make some fights a joke where having 2 plds would have perma covered. Enmity is fine my pld friend with hive weapon holds threat and does okay dps just fine. Paladins already have enough utility making them into a god class makes this new expac even more imbalanced, SE just needs to make minor tweaks to classes and that's it. No tanks are trash everything has been cleared this patch (minus AS4 and maybe 3 haven't been checking) with all 3 tanks just gotta choose how you run your static optimally.

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300 potency only when an attack would have critted you. That is not every attack--its less than what vengeance does over its duration (50 on every attack. Critical strikes from monsters are less than 5%). And of course Darks and War should get no benefit from this--the above are all suggestion for Paladin Traits. Paladins pay a heavy cost for these extra 'cooldowns' that both war and dark cross class into. What do paladins take from other classes?

Blood Bath.....Mercy Stroke? Foresight? Hah...

Cover is absolutely useless in the vast majority of content, then broken/op in about 3 fights in the entire game. I would much rather this Paladin Only power actually be far more useful in -all fights-.

No paladin I know of has cleared AS3 savage--in fact both guilds that did it had their paladins swap to dark knights to complete the content. They could not make the dps checks otherwise.

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---Awarness: Reduce recast to 60 seconds, remove extra duration. Attacks that would have landed as critical strikes instead are reflected at 300 potency.
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Darks and War should get no benefit from this--

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War should get no benefit from this--

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get no benefit from this--

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I think you misunderstand. I'm saying the proposed --TRAIT-- (damage reflect) isnt going to be useable by Dark or War (which is normal, no one gets to use another classes traits). I did not think I wrote that in such a way as to cause confusion.