The Inquisition? [SPOILER]

WARNING: This is a spoiler discussion.

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So anyone else expect the Inquisition to start playing some role in 3.X era MSQ?

They have been mysteriously absent throughout 3.0 despite how well known and influential the Inquisition is within Ishgard.

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The only real Ishgardian threats we faced with being called a heretic is from the Heavensward but they're dead now.

beyond that I surprised how little involved the Inquisition was in 3.0.

However, considering Ishgard is most likely going to face changes in 3.X era I'm guess we may see the Inquisition serve as a Political Antagonist of the Ishgard section of the storyline since they may not be so keen on the Truth and losing their power over Ishagrd.

The Inquisition were entirely connected to the Church, and, given the player kind of destroys it's power base (exposing both the lies the Church was built on, the rampant corruption within the organization itself, and that.. whole thing with the Archbishop and the Heavens Ward...), the Inquisition technically no longer exists in any meaningful form.

They were also well known for working in secret so again it's pretty obvious why apart from that kangaroo court that Alphinaud and Tataru were caught up in (and some lore padding that started the DRK quests off), that the player has actually little contact with them.

Nooooobody expects the Ishgardian Inquisition! Now get in the comfy chair!

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

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Despite working in secret their lack of involvement is what is questionable. The WoL has made a very large commotion within Ishgard society even before he or she entered Ishgard which such level of commotion should have taking the Inquisition's interests considering the WoL is a outsider that has been chosen to be the 2nd Azure Dragoon, Saved Ishgard in steps of faith, unraveled a false Inquisitor, and etc.

Also, despite the truth being revealed the Church has not falling yet. While scholars of Ishgard are struggling to revise their history currently after 3.0 due to the Truth being revealed there are still some loyal to the church and the old beliefs as was mentioned at the end of 3.0 on how Ishgard can't be changed over a day but by generations and other Side storyline quests

I won't lie, I was kind of excited at the thought of seeing my character go through what FF8's Squall went through after he got captured. Maybe we'll get a Solid Snake scene where the torturer tells us to click the button to resist. With their actual voice.

Too bad it didn't happen.

One of my biggest issues with 3.0 was the lack of a whole reactionary Ishgardian group after the grand reveal, so dealing with them throughout 3.x wouldn't be so bad. Seriously it makes so little sense how the Archbiship was all "I can't reveal the history, Ishgard can't handle the truth!" and when all is said and done people seem to be fairly "Oh? Okay." about a whole life shattering reveal like that.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

I won't lie, I was kind of excited at the thought of seeing my character go through what FF8's Squall went through after he got captured. Maybe we'll get a Solid Snake scene where the torturer tells us to click the button to resist. With their actual voice.

Too bad it didn't happen.

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Is this a joke or a insult?

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

One of my biggest issues with 3.0 was the lack of a whole reactionary Ishgardian group after the grand reveal, so dealing with them throughout 3.x wouldn't be so bad. Seriously it makes so little sense how the Archbiship was all "I can't reveal the history, Ishgard can't handle the truth!" and when all is said and done people seem to be fairly "Oh? Okay." about a whole life shattering reveal like that.

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A lot of things happened in 3.0 that should have caused the Inquisition to appear (either by minor role or some small mention in dialogues) due to the WoL actions from bring Ysayle into Ishgard and letting her just walk away, being targeted by the Heavensward countless times, Talking to Dragons (which is punishable by death), assaulting the Vault to arrest the Archbishop, revealing that Midy (the Father of all Dragons in FF14 World) has been following the WoL for a while, and etc.

If anyone else done these things the Inquisition would have been on them like a swarm of angry bees as countless NPCs mentioned throughout FF14 storyline.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

One of my biggest issues with 3.0 was the lack of a whole reactionary Ishgardian group after the grand reveal, so dealing with them throughout 3.x wouldn't be so bad. Seriously it makes so little sense how the Archbiship was all "I can't reveal the history, Ishgard can't handle the truth!" and when all is said and done people seem to be fairly "Oh? Okay." about a whole life shattering reveal like that.

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Considering the peasants were treated like crap by the people high up in the church, they're probably happy because those jerks are no longer around. Meaning they have the chance to be happy without fear of being prosecuted for no reason.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

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I mean, I dunno about that. Like, no one really seemed to care until Francel was accused in Central Coerthas, I'm thinking a lot of lower class Ishgardians have a whole "Well, I can't believe Dave is a heretic! I thought he was always a nice guy. Good thing I'm a good member of the Church and would never be accused of heresy." I mean, it has been the main and only system of faith in Ishgard for the past 1000 years. You see plenty of foot soldiers (Lots of which come from the lower class) and random citizens either actively supporting the persecution of heretics (Or "heretics") via agreement or participating in it ( eg Soldiers helping hunt down and kill heretics) or just silently accepting it all. It's a game of witch hunting and dogma that's been going on for a very long time, I find it particularly odd that the lower class (Which iirc, have a little church of Halone sitting right in the Brume) would just all be like "Good ridden!" Like that was one of the main reason the Archbishop was all "Nope, no one knows the truth."

Can you blame them for supporting the persecution of heretics given what they'd been told for the last millennium, and the fact some were insane enough to turn themselves into dragons?

There needs to be an Au Ra leader for Ishgard. After hearing (reading I guess) about what has happened to the Au Ra in the past, makes me want to take the seat and change the country in favor for my Au Ra brothers and sisters.

The Inquisition is effectively fangless where the WoL is concerned. They may arrest and execute, but we know that an accused can request trial by combat to prove innocence and WoL took down two knights of the HW in front of them.

The best they could do, given their 'judicial' system, is annoy us with a bunch of pointless gladiator fights.

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Originally Posted by Krylo

The Inquisition is effectively fangless where the WoL is concerned. They may arrest and execute, but we know that an accused can request trial by combat to prove innocence and WoL took down two knights of the HW in front of them.

The best they could do, given their 'judicial' system, is annoy us with a bunch of pointless gladiator fights.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

I won't lie, I was kind of excited at the thought of seeing my character go through what FF8's Squall went through after he got captured. Maybe we'll get a Solid Snake scene where the torturer tells us to click the button to resist. With their actual voice.

Too bad it didn't happen.

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You're not fooling anyone with that username, Ocelot!

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

With the help of Obsidian Carby!

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I actually like the Ruby Carby more.

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Originally Posted by Krylo

The Inquisition is effectively fangless where the WoL is concerned. They may arrest and execute, but we know that an accused can request trial by combat to prove innocence and WoL took down two knights of the HW in front of them.

The best they could do, given their 'judicial' system, is annoy us with a bunch of pointless gladiator fights.

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Some members of the Inquisition have done thing that goes around the Trial by Combat. While the Inquisitor in 2.0 was a fake he did use the same trials and tests that are used by the Inquisition to kill his victims like that test that a person has to jump off a cliff to see if he or she turned into a Dragon where if the person dies from the fall he or she is not a Dragon and is released from all charges despite being dead but if he or she survives he or she is deemed a Heretic and killed on the spot.

Im sure they'd be interested in being both a vital part of the new ishgardian administration, and making sure we have no part in it.

Oh if only there was some foil, a being with the strength to pierce our invulerability, or influential enough to sow doubt and division as to our nature.

I hear the moon is working on something.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Im sure they'd be interested in being both a vital part of the new ishgardian administration, and making sure we have no part in it.

Oh if only there was some foil, a being with the strength to pierce our invulerability, or influential enough to sow doubt and division as to our nature.

I hear the moon is working on something.

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I'm actually really excited for the Warriors of Darkness. Hopefully it ends up being a good story arc.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Is this a joke or a insult?

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Are those my only two choices?

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

Are those my only two choices?

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There is always "Other" option.

As far as I can tell, the Inquisition's most powerful or strongest arms would have been the Heavensward, who the WoL tackled on actually quite a bit. if you just saw your strongest arms walk away or not deal with it, why would you as the Inquisition?

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Originally Posted by ExKage

As far as I can tell, the Inquisition's most powerful or strongest arms would have been the Heavensward, who the WoL tackled on actually quite a bit. if you just saw your strongest arms walk away or not deal with it, why would you as the Inquisition?

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A straight fight isn't the only way to deal with someone, or the only way to prove they are a threat to your society.

Im sure actual inquisitions had plenty of methods, not all of them honest, to have people question a man's nature enough to bring them to their clutches.

(But isn't this what happened in 2.55?)

Not exactly. There we were being set up for a crime, and it was largely because of our intact reputations an unquestionable nature that we were practically untouchable wherever we went.

That reputation, is what the inquisition would focus on. Make hearts and minds turn on their mark.

Except your character has essentially brought down the Inquisition's base for an attack by say the popularity. They can show some resistance to you and the struggles that Aymeric and the people now with a stronghold in Ishgard but you've already got your own in the House of Fortemps, the Commander of the Temple Knights, and even the lowborn. Anything they can do would be lesser than what was done to you for just a little bit with the end of 2.55.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

Except your character has essentially brought down the Inquisition's base for an attack by say the popularity. They can show some resistance to you and the struggles that Aymeric and the people now with a stronghold in Ishgard but you've already got your own in the House of Fortemps, the Commander of the Temple Knights, and even the lowborn. Anything they can do would be lesser than what was done to you for just a little bit with the end of 2.55.

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They might not have an interest in screwing us over....yet. the power struggles of a new administration will likely be real, though.
But for storytelling purposes, it looks like the WoD needs something to work with, or he's basically just a monster of the week.

That could be either a reactionary group in ishgard, in the adventuring community, or some other thing that is not Nidhogg.

Im only speculating what could happen, they could stuff a few primals in and doom us to having to take calls from Minfillia telling us to listen to her in person again...

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Originally Posted by Kallera

They might not have an interest in screwing us over....yet. the power struggles of a new administration will likely be real, though.
But for storytelling purposes, it looks like the WoD needs something to work with, or he's basically just a monster of the week.

That could be either a reactionary group in ishgard, in the adventuring community, or some other thing that is not Nidhogg.

Im only speculating what could happen, they could stuff a few primals in and doom us to having to take calls from Minfillia telling us to listen to her in person again...

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It's entirely possible that the unseen Warriors of Darkness will be the Scions that are still MIA. It'd fit with what Elidibus said when we first met him.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

There needs to be an Au Ra leader for Ishgard. After hearing (reading I guess) about what has happened to the Au Ra in the past, makes me want to take the seat and change the country in favor for my Au Ra brothers and sisters.

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Even Ishgard knew that they have gone to far by killing AuRas for now reason. Just beacuse of their look. But given the timeline that happened like 20 - 30 years ago?
Now days they dont kill Auras on sight, just they arent kind of welcome. They dont accuse withouth a prove now, doesnt matter the race. But yea on those time they were crasy fanatic

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It's entirely possible that the unseen Warriors of Darkness will be the Scions that are still MIA. It'd fit with what Elidibus said when we first met him.

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Well we don't really know why he met with Urianger currently. All we know is that it was a matter concerning the fate of the entire planet but as of now we're still in the Dark about what is really going on behind the scenes and what is Elidibus' endgame is.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

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Pretty sure it was rather recent actually. Pretty sure that's the whole deal with the Auri girl in the WHM story line was revenge about that iirc, which makes it seem like it was a pretty fresh wound..

I dunno, I can't help but feel like the writing with regards to Ishgard puts them way to much into a positive light. Carelessly supporting the slaughter of heretics, "heretics", and dragons? Well they've been fed dogma for a thousand years what do you expect! Seemingly fine with Aymeric stomping around and overthrowing their religion? Well the lower class was treated badly anyways, apparently they're a-okay with it, same thing with the houses too. Why aren't Ishgardians incredibly dogmatic and showing resistance to their entire religious system being flipped on its head ( like with conservative Ishgardian factions, maybe a civil war that lasts longer than 30 minutes, people in the streets trying to convince others that Aymeric was brainwashed by the dragons and trying to lead people astray or something). Alternatively if that's not the case completely, that means Ishgardians supported killed people because it was just easier than actually trying to prove that person's innocence or maybe let that instance of "heresy" slide beneath the table because they're not actively harming anyone. Like.. We know Ishgardians are able to separate themselves from their dogmatic lifestyles too, the Heretics seemed to be fairly reasonable sans a few instances like the whole plot in Central Coerthas (Any other time they've attacked us I think it'd because we were stepping in their turf iirc).

I really hope we see more instances of us being put in opposition to Ishgard, either to any new conservative faction or making them work to pay off the whole "Killing heretics, "heretics", and dragons indiscriminately" deal.