T5 Crafting/Gathering Materia, WHY THE DELAY

Why are we still not able to convert gear for T5 Gathering/Crafting Materia? As if the gating wasn't bad enough, we're still forced to transmute for T5 Gathering/Crafting materia? I do not understand.:confused:

I'm curious to know this myself. Also anyone who's transmuted for a while, what is your usual rate of getting any V? I've done 400 or so in the past 2 days and haven't seen a V of any kind :(

This is baffling.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

This is baffling.

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It really is.

We grind our butts off to craft 2 star and can't even meld it properly.

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Originally Posted by DesiM

I'm curious to know this myself. Also anyone who's transmuted for a while, what is your usual rate of getting any V? I've done 400 or so in the past 2 days and haven't seen a V of any kind :(

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If I were to guess, it's around a 5% chance based on my experience. That said, I've gotten 5 of them and only one was crafting. It wasn't a bad trade off or awhile because tier 4 crafting and gathering materia was still decently pricey and I got them fairly often. Now the prices have dropped a lot and it's hard to justify.

I have done a little over a hundred transmutes and I have only gotten one T5 materia looking at the cost versus benefit it's hard to justify it. :/ But I like to gamble so I will still do it. Plus I am saving all my high level spirit bonded gear for when they finally put it in.

I guess I've been more on the lucky side. Transmuted about 300-400 grade 4 materia and gotten a comp V, cunning V, and an earth V

My first ever shot at Goblin lottery netted me a Heavens Eye V which sold for 1.1M lol.

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Originally Posted by BushWookie

We grind our butts off to craft 2 star and can't even meld it properly.

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This.

I'm very curious to see what will happen when/if they add crafted DoW/M 2-star accessories. Right now, it takes 4 Tier IV stat materias and a Tier III. Which leaves 0 slots for any secondary stats. If they include i170/180 crafted gear... I don't think we can hit the cap w/o Tier V materia... which let's face it... being available only through transmutation is a bit lame.

I have a really bad feeling that tier v crafting/gathering materia will be available later by converting i170 gear or perhaps the i150 gear, but at a low conversion rate.

After all, the i170 pieces don't really require grade v materia to be at least on par with the i180s.

I150 combat gear does not turn into Tier 5 Materia, as far as I know. That would imply that i150 crafting/gathering gear will not turn into Tier 5 Materia, either.

I have not seen any gear between i150 and i170, for crafting/gathering, have you? The current lowest known ilevel to convert to Tier 5 Materia is i160. So ... yes, expect to have to convert the i170 RCS+RGS blocked stuff for Tier 5 Materia.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

This.

I'm very curious to see what will happen when/if they add crafted DoW/M 2-star accessories. Right now, it takes 4 Tier IV stat materias and a Tier III. Which leaves 0 slots for any secondary stats. If they include i170/180 crafted gear... I don't think we can hit the cap w/o Tier V materia... which let's face it... being available only through transmutation is a bit lame.

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actually DoW/M Tier V materia are available through conversion, just that you have to convert i160 chivalric pieces to get any.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

I150 combat gear does not turn into Tier 5 Materia, as far as I know. That would imply that i150 crafting/gathering gear will not turn into Tier 5 Materia, either.

I have not seen any gear between i150 and i170, for crafting/gathering, have you? The current lowest known ilevel to convert to Tier 5 Materia is i160. So ... yes, expect to have to convert the i170 RCS+RGS blocked stuff for Tier 5 Materia.

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I don't know any sane person that would convert their hard-earned crafted gear though to attempt to test this theory of getting Tier 5 crafted materia. The patch notes in 3.05 gave no mention that grade 5 crafting/gathering materia is now convertable, as the 3.0 patch notes explicitly stated that they were not. Even if this were the case, it seems that it's not a 100% chance. Unfortunate things do happen, as with the case of a redditor that tried, but was only able to convert his i170 frying pan into a grade IV materia.

I was not suggesting it is currently possible.

I was saying not to expect i150 crafting/gathering gear to convert into Tier 5 Materia when they do allow us to convert gear into those materia types.

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Originally Posted by TechnoTechie

actually DoW/M Tier V materia are available through conversion, just that you have to convert i160 chivalric pieces to get any.

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Didn't know that. Can you SB it in expert roulette? I'd imagine so. Then again, there isn't much good in Tier V DoW/M gear until they release 2-star crafted accessories.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Didn't know that. Can you SB it in expert roulette? I'd imagine so.

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I've seen on other threads people suggesting that it takes two runs to completely SB an HQ with 3 melds or so (perhaps SB potion as well?). I haven't tried this myself, however.

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Originally Posted by MN_14

I have a really bad feeling that tier v crafting/gathering materia will be available later by converting i170 gear or perhaps the i150 gear, but at a low conversion rate.

After all, the i170 pieces don't really require grade v materia to be at least on par with the i180s.

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Yeah but you don't make the i170s to be on par with the version that is way easier to get. You may as well have just gotten the i180 at that point. :(

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Yeah but you don't make the i170s to be on par with the version that is way easier to get. You may as well have just gotten the i180 at that point. :(

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The main advantage of the i170 gear is actually the ability to gear your classes faster than the slower alternate i180 route. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they intentionally make it easy for you to match the i180s, but much more difficult to exceed them.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Yeah but you don't make the i170s to be on par with the version that is way easier to get. You may as well have just gotten the i180 at that point. :(

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Most pieces can be fully melded without t5s, also keep in mind the white i150 gear fully melded is actually better in many instances than the i180. Ex gloves i150 = 8, 73, 4 versus i180 = 0, 75, 4 (craft, control, cp) with that in mind why wouldn't you craft the i170 = (9), 70 (82), 4. Otherwise just keep your i150 or meld 9 craft, 12 control. :)

9 craft, 12 control melds = control 4, control 4, control 4, craft 4 and craft 1 (no T5 materia

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

Most pieces can be fully melded without t5s, also keep in mind the white i150 gear fully melded is actually better in many instances than the i180. Ex gloves i150 = 8, 73, 4 versus i180 = 0, 75, 4 (craft, control, cp) with that in mind why wouldn't you craft the i170 = (9), 70 (82), 4. Otherwise just keep your i150 or meld 9 craft, 12 control. :)

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If by most you mean 6 out of 13 items crafted items, then yes. If you are comparing them to AF only, then 4 out of 6.

Also, altho they can be melded, it will cost quite a bit to fully meld them.


As far as a full set goes, 7 pieces cant be fully melded without tier V's. Out of which the MH, chest and OH can't be fully melded even with 5x tier V.
The 4 AF items that can be fully melded aren't much of an upgrade over fully melded i150.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

Most pieces can be fully melded without t5s, also keep in mind the white i150 gear fully melded is actually better in many instances than the i180. Ex gloves i150 = 8, 73, 4 versus i180 = 0, 75, 4 (craft, control, cp) with that in mind why wouldn't you craft the i170 = (9), 70 (82), 4. Otherwise just keep your i150 or meld 9 craft, 12 control. :)

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as Aeyis mentioned, it's not quite "most" of the pieces. also while the i150 gear caps might be as you have listed them, you cannot fully meld to the caps on "most" of them (due to being unable to meld grade V materia, on top of the impossibility of melding all 8 craftsmanship, 11 control, and 4 CP with only 5 melds of grade IV) so for those not wanting to spend millions of gil on grade IV materia to barely not reach those caps, the i180 can be quite a hefty upgrade at the cost of some CP (in the case of pants/boots).

My apologies for saying most, to be more accurate the left side. The point of my post was to help inform people who are not aware of the differences. Now that I am not at work I will elaborate. W/out T5 you can meld fully: cap, gloves, legs, feet, & rings. The rest need T5 to fully meld, side note the OH is a straight upgrade w/ materia.

Yeah I concur with where this thread is going. I started making things like pants/gloves etc... and when I saw the gains over my max melded i150 equipment I was seriously disappointed. I'm fairly sure at this point that with the chest/mainhand/offhand I'll meet the three start requirements without replacing my current i150 hat, pants, gloves, boot or belt. I did replace all my jewelry already and that was smart (the extra CP is great).

For anyone I would be wary of going meld wild till 3 star is released. Just save up a stock of materia and then deal with it then IMO.

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

Yeah I concur with where this thread is going. I started making things like pants/gloves etc... and when I saw the gains over my max melded i150 equipment I was seriously disappointed. I'm fairly sure at this point that with the chest/mainhand/offhand I'll meet the three start requirements without replacing my current i150 hat, pants, gloves, boot or belt. I did replace all my jewelry already and that was smart (the extra CP is great).

For anyone I would be wary of going meld wild till 3 star is released. Just save up a stock of materia and then deal with it then IMO.

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that's actually the path I was planning to go myself; I've made half of the tools already and I only plan to make the other tools, and then chest pieces next. I almost have the materials for the neck, earrings, and bracelet ready, but I'm waiting to get some craftsmanship Vs so that I don't have to remeld it later.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

My apologies for saying most, to be more accurate the left side. The point of my post was to help inform people who are not aware of the differences. Now that I am not at work I will elaborate. W/out T5 you can meld fully: cap, gloves, legs, feet, & rings. The rest need T5 to fully meld, side note the OH is a straight upgrade w/ materia.

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And quite an upgrade it is. It's the only item that would still be an upgrade as NQ. Contrast to the accessories, where even fully melded with tier V's the gain is minimal.


The main issue I can see is that melding any of the none-cappable items without tier V before knowing the next stats requirement, can be quite a waste.

Yeah my plan at the moment is offhands, accessories, belt, chest, mainhand. In that order, I hope to get a few T5 crafts so I can be well melded, but I am still debating on buying the mainhand with tokens versus melding. :/

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

Yeah my plan at the moment is offhands, accessories, belt, chest, mainhand. In that order, I hope to get a few T5 crafts so I can be well melded, but I am still debating on buying the mainhand with tokens versus melding. :/

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It depends on whether you want CP. With 5x Tier IV the mainhand still falls short of stats compared to the i180, but it does allow you to get 4 CP.
Getting the i180 isnt as expensive, and provides easily more stats tho.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

Yeah my plan at the moment is offhands, accessories, belt, chest, mainhand. In that order, I hope to get a few T5 crafts so I can be well melded, but I am still debating on buying the mainhand with tokens versus melding. :/

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I would just buy the 180 versions of the main hands. The 4 CP is the only reason to obtain them and 468 vs 472 CP is negligible at best because it doesn't change any rotation (at least that I have found). You will have enough stats to do 3-star crafting without Vs, by the way.

We know the ballpark for 3-star crafting because it absolutely has to be balanced around the 180 set, so the required craftsmanship will be from 800 to 865, most likely the lower end of that range, likely 818 craftsmanship & 795 control.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

I would just buy the 180 versions of the main hands. The 4 CP is the only reason to obtain them and 468 vs 472 CP is negligible at best because it doesn't change any rotation (at least that I have found). You will have enough stats to do 3-star crafting without Vs, by the way.

We know the ballpark for 3-star crafting because it absolutely has to be balanced around the 180 set, so the required craftsmanship will be from 800 to 865, most likely the lower end of that range, likely 818 craftsmanship & 795 control.

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you don't know that for sure. SE could have put the i180 in just to give people the stats to craft the i170 and base 3-star stats off of the i170. That being said, even if they do base it on the i180 set, it will likely be the bare-minimum so I'd expect it to be closer to 860 craftsmanship and 780 control

It will be based on the vendor sets, just like battle content is based around the sets they can obtain from the vendor/drops. They would not screw over every single person who opts for the vendor sets - that's bad game design, I am extremely confident in saying without a doubt that a scenario like that will not happen. They cost significantly more than the 170 versions and are not designed as intermediate gear.

Those stats would likely be bare minimum though, agreed. But it's far more powerful to know a ballpark, so that you don't need to shoot for something crazy like 919 craftsmanship and 860 control just to be able to initiate the craft.

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Originally Posted by Irisviel-

It will be based on the vendor sets, just like battle content is based around the sets they can obtain from the vendor/drops. They would not screw over every single person who opts for the vendor sets - that's bad game design, I am extremely confident in saying without a doubt that a scenario like that will not happen. They cost significantly more than the 170 versions and are not designed as intermediate gear.

Those stats would likely be bare minimum though, agreed. But it's far more powerful to know a ballpark, so that you don't need to shoot for something crazy like 919 craftsmanship and 860 control just to be able to initiate the craft.

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well, one of the reasons I was thinking that way was because even with the i150 sets, you need food or pentamelds to even begin crafting 2-star without getting any of the i180 pieces. I wouldn't put it past SE to require your accessories and belt to be max-melded, with at least penta-melded IV on your off-hand tool and a food buff to meet 3-star stats.

This is mostly an issue related to the fact that 3.0 reset everything back to its basic form similar to when we were all in 2.0 content. Did you see a lot of grade IV kicking around in 2.0? No, because only people converting vanya and whatnot were seeing them. True grade IV materia did come at a rare chance from the AF crafting sets and whatnot but that was back when we ONLY had i55 gear (battle materia IV is classed as i70 while crafting IV is classed i55). In this incarnation they decided to add crafting iLVLs similar to battle iLVLs (craft/gather/battle materia are i160) so we're not going to really see (or truly need) these tier Vs until 3.2 when a new tier of recipes comes out and we burn up our old i170 crafting sets (at which time I hope they will alter the way they're made and allow us to create them en masse to convert later on).

From what I'm told grade V has 0% success to overmeld so pretty much just 1/2 per piece. Vs actually aren't required to cap the 170 head, hands, pants,shoes,rings.

also when are we getting level 6 materia

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Originally Posted by Nomad-phx

From what I'm told grade V has 0% success to overmeld so pretty much just 1/2 per piece. Vs actually aren't required to cap the 170 head, hands, pants,shoes,rings.

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incorrect.

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