Petition to increase Concealed node spawn rate

As the title implies, if you would like to see the spawn rate for concealed nodes increased in the 3.05 hotfixes on Tuesday, bump this thread. If it could be adjusted to where were getting some degree of return on these favors in all circumstances (i.e. doing away with the chance of getting one item or even nothing) that might make the system a bit more tolerable for a lot of players, myself included. If enough people get behind this who knows right?

I support this but I'd also want the following:

Make the mats obtainable like any other gathering item by allowing us to deplete the node fully and using abilities.

Have Favors cost 1 token each instead of 1 token for 5.

Reduce the 10x of x and 10 x of y and crafters token to 2x of x and 2x of y and 1 crafters token.

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Originally Posted by DarthBuzzer

I support this but I'd also want the following:

Make the mats obtainable like any other gathering item by allowing us to deplete the node fully and using abilities.

Have Favors cost 1 token each instead of 1 token for 5.

Reduce the 10x of x and 10 x of y and crafters token to 2x of x and 2x of y and 1 crafters token.

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but then that defeats the purpose of it being a time-gate ... oh

5 Favors per token is not bad.
5 materials (enough for one material synth) per token is not bad, either.

Its the 5 favors/materials per RED token that's bad. They should be BLUE tokens.

I can see gear remaining red, but mats should not be red, they should be blue. Both for gathering, and then spending the gathered pieces for actual synth mats.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

5 Favors per token is not bad.
5 materials (enough for one material synth) per token is not bad, either.

Its the 5 favors/materials per RED token that's bad. They should be BLUE tokens.

I can see gear remaining red, but mats should not be red, they should be blue. Both for gathering, and then spending the gathered pieces for actual synth mats.

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Agreed. I never mentioned it because I was only suggesting stuff only related to the favor side of things.

However, 1 token for 1 or 2 favors is needed because 12 hours of hardcore gathering is overkill.

I did a favor the other day, only got 2 ooids, let alone the fact that I have not seen any of the HQ trade-in materials from these nodes yet and I'm down to my last 3 (bought 1 set for MIN and another for BTN and last 3 in total, not from one stack of 5).

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

5 Favors per token is not bad.
5 materials (enough for one material synth) per token is not bad, either.

Its the 5 favors/materials per RED token that's bad. They should be BLUE tokens.

I can see gear remaining red, but mats should not be red, they should be blue. Both for gathering, and then spending the gathered pieces for actual synth mats.

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thats why i think there should be two ways to get the new materials: one with red scrips, which is fast and has a weekly cap that can be reached easily even by casuals (not 11+ hrs doing favors pls), and a slower option with blue scrips that isnt capped.

I personally would like to see a bare minimum return of 1 in 8 nodes. This is a bit above the average I find, at least with btn, min for some reason with me is averaging 1 in 12-14 nodes. Maybe the seed value on the whole for their rng is flawed some how, that's another topic, but I would just like to see the experience of mining 16 nodes to get one or getting nothing at all, go away. Its just too much. I can understand failing for a lack of skill or planning on a craft but to be denied just for showing up and burning out the left button on my mouse as I tear through a bunch of nodes is obnoxious. This is also merely one step in a process of many we have to get through to do crafting/gathering endgame now, the strict rng here seems like a needless reach to time gate and get more of that subscription cash

I really do not know what most people are doing but the favor system is not bad at all. I have gathered 45 favors since the update a week ago and here is my stats.

Time Invested: 11 hours 15 minutes. (675 Minutes)
Items Gathered: 208 Normal, 17 Rare
Money Made: 24,200,000 Gil

Means 1 Item every 3 minutes. Not really that bad.

I am not going to disclose what exactly I am doing but people should give it a bit more time before crying over everything new so quickly. There is a ton of money to be made here currently if you do it right.

The Problem is if making money isn't your primary goal with collectIng the mats but to actually use them for crafting.

If you use them for crafting then you would have crafted 4-5 items with the materials i farmed this week. That really is not that bad of a progress. This update just made it harder to be Mr. Everything. You have to put your main focus on one area.

If you gather, why even craft the items yourself? Just farm the Gil and buy them if the equip is what you desire. There is multiple ways to get what you want.

And if you are a crafter, just buy the materials and craft items to make profit or use it for yourself.

I don't see the issue. In real life, if you want a toaster you buy it too with the money you make through other means more suitable to you. You don't go and mine iron ore, copper and oil to create the materials required.

A Toaster - to follow your example - doesn't cost 10+ Million as the crafting gear will propably cost.
Don't bring rl in here because there are man things you wouldn't do there.
We started out FFXIV being able to be everything we can depending on the time we invest or our regarding our own interests but we could.
My point? I don't wanna spend millions of my money for something a Shirt while ago I was able to Do myself.
Money doesn't give u the same feeling as if you'd have done it youself - at least that counts for me.

Be like me... simple as that.

Gather your items, use them to trade in for mats. Buy mats to trade more. Buy others people tokens to trade even more. Craft to make gil so you are able to buy other peoples token and tradein mats.

There is NOTHING locked behind gates. The only thing that is locked is your will to grind hard... these mats are not untradeable and there wont be any new gear out for a while. I like how it is currently because due to the cap there is something like a market. Maybe people will now think twice before undercutting stupidly...

Right now i made 4 pieces, got mats for another 5. I could already make mainhand offhand nad most likely chest and legs pieces of crafting gear i just have to figure out which class to make it for.

It is locked because you can't gather it all youself and or you DON'T wanna spend millions of gil for other people's mats.

Lol you'll start agreeing with op when rng slaps u in the face with 0 concealed nodes during 1 favor.
Then after the slap they'll push u down and kick u as the 2nd favor will give u 1 node that contains 1 common rare item. Then to rub salt in ur bruises ur gathering bud says oh? How many did u get so far? I have 11 ooids and 4 roundstones. Then u reply with a salty attitude and say i only got 2 ooids. Both ppl hit the same amount nodes & deplete em yet the sole difference is rng.
U pay red scrips to deal with rng, thats pretty dumb lol.

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Originally Posted by Sepix

I really do not know what most people are doing but the favor system is not bad at all. I have gathered 45 favors since the update a week ago and here is my stats.

Time Invested: 11 hours 15 minutes. (675 Minutes)
Items Gathered: 208 Normal, 17 Rare
Money Made: 24,200,000 Gil

Means 1 Item every 3 minutes. Not really that bad.

I am not going to disclose what exactly I am doing but people should give it a bit more time before crying over everything new so quickly. There is a ton of money to be made here currently if you do it right.

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thats a pretty good rate as in items per favor. was it luck or are you saying that you figured out something to farm them more efficiently than most of us? :P

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Originally Posted by Alexiell

thats a pretty good rate as in items per favor. was it luck or are you saying that you figured out something to farm them more efficiently than most of us? :P

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I can tell you that it isn't luck. I had my 1 & 2 item favors at the start but since i started doing something differently i have 4-5 each favor consistently. Throw some rares in the mix and i get around 7 items per favor.

yeah, it's called cheating :D

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Originally Posted by Sepix

I really do not know what most people are doing but the favor system is not bad at all. I have gathered 45 favors since the update a week ago and here is my stats.

Time Invested: 11 hours 15 minutes. (675 Minutes)
Items Gathered: 208 Normal, 17 Rare
Money Made: 24,200,000 Gil

Means 1 Item every 3 minutes. Not really that bad.

I am not going to disclose what exactly I am doing but people should give it a bit more time before crying over everything new so quickly. There is a ton of money to be made here currently if you do it right.

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Translation: I have not actually done any of the above, but adding a disclaimer should avoid people asking about it.

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Originally Posted by Sepix

If you use them for crafting then you would have crafted 4-5 items with the materials i farmed this week.

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4-5 of what? Certainly not main or off hand tools.
You could make a maximum of 10 refined materials from 200 resources, and that is assuming you only farmed the two items required for a single refined material.
Without using the exact math, I will say that making more then 2 tools is highly unlikely, unless you dont care what it is you make.

The same goes for the number of items.


Why make 4 accessories when a single tool has far more stats and does not require pentamelding tier IV's, and adding Tier V's?

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Originally Posted by Immo187

Be like me... simple as that.


Right now i made 4 pieces, got mats for another 5. I could already make mainhand offhand nad most likely chest and legs pieces of crafting gear i just have to figure out which class to make it for.

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I won't ask how you obtained enough for all 9 materials. However I will ask what equipment you are making that only requires one material. Only the rings require 1 material. You made 4 rings? Only the other accessories require 2. Everything else requires 3 or 4.

And frankly speaking the accessories don't qualify as proper pieces of equipment.


As for there being nothing locked by gates. The amount of materials you can make is locked behind a gate. The amount of materials you can farm is locked behind a gate. The amount of each type you can farm is locked behind a gate. You gain 9 tokens for favors each week, yet each material turn in requires you use 2 favors.

And ofcourse, the marketboard supply is locked behind all these same gates.

Buy them? Where do you find the materials? I don't see how unless you are on one of the largest servers. And even there the supply will be small, and the prices high.
Trade them? How many people actually grind the favors out? Only those looking to make gil, or crazy level crafters.

The key issue from my perspective is that 208 Normal Materials for a week's worth of Gathering Favours means that you effectively can provide materials for 1.155 crafters who have maxed their week's worth of Crafting Red Scrips, or leaving you with ~70 Red Scrips 'banked' on a weekly basis. This doesn't really make sense with how readily you'll come by counterfoils, or by the normal Gatherer:Crafter ratio works.

In theory, folk could burn the Rare Materials and three Crafting Red Scrip tokens to burn the disparity for HQ mats, but I don't think that's practical or even desirable over the long term -- you end up losing Red Crafter's Tokens on too much of the gear compared to the i180 prices.

And, frankly, 11 hours and 15 minutes is a huge amount of time investment weekly, especially when added to the three to six hours it takes to get the Red Gatherer Scrips to start with. That's two hours a day every day minimum, and well outside of the time cost for crafters.