Eso wpn now or...

Wait for new relic chain? I'd hate to spend 3 resets saving up for a weapon I'd ultimately replace when 3.1 comes out. I'd rather spend tomes gearing up my left side in anticipation for my AST relic. Smart or nah?

That all depends on what you do in game. Do you do alex savage? Because if you don't you dont even need higher ilvl than 170 so buy what you feel like buying!

Ever since the release of heavensward I've adapted the habit of buying/upgrading my weapon last, in anticipation of the new relic weapons. So my advice is just to get everything else first. ^^

It's not just for Alex savage. i200 weapon will help you with every lv60 content. Bismarck Ex, Ravana Ex, your daily Expert roulette, and Alex normal.

I don't think the new relic weapon will let you get it that easy. probably you're gonna have to waste a lot of times for it. who know... you probably need thousands of Eso to craft it.

I'm going for the weapon first. As a dps it should make the biggest difference in things dying faster. The main reason though is because i don't expect 3.1 until November so that's enough time to completely gear up with esoterics anyways so may as well get the weapon first. Yoshi said they are taking a break since heavensward released so don't expect the usual 3 months between patches. And if I'm wrong and it comes sooner you'll still probably only be short an accessory or two by then and will have gotten 2+ months of usage from the esos weapon.

The Esoteric weapon for Bard is very... forgettable. I'd suggest the Hive Bow over it any day. A good middle weapon before it is the Law weapon. Cheaper, easier to upgrade and has stats that are worth a damn. It's all subjective to what stats you actually need versus the iL involved. Never let iL alone dictate what you use.

If you're doing savage then weapon 1st. If you're not then u can stick with hive for a bit

For the love of god, people, if you're gonna stay behind the pack when it comes to weapons, at least stay within the 10 ilvl range, regardless of what class you are. I've seen people loaded with poetics gear and enters the 2.55 extreme roulettes with an atma weapon (max was i130-135 while atma is at the strength of an i90). I've seen people purchase 3+ pieces of law and enter 3.0 ex roulettes with lvl 58 weapons. I've seen a dragoon with FULL law gear in alex 4 normal...with a lvl 60 dungeon spear. I checked and that weapon was 9 (NINE) weapon damage lower than my hive spear, which is about 7 weapon damage lower than the law spear.

I dont even understand why they are so stingy about getting their weapons when it's the best upgrade they can get. Especially people who were on the relic grind pre 3.0. Sticking with your novus in dungeons when you can easily have i130 poet weapons are just going to slow you down. Just swap at the last boss. That 6 weapon damage difference is massive and any reasoning of yours about being 'efficient' with your poet tomes were and are still invalid to me. Hell, I read that 1 weapon damage is worth like 10 str main stat for dragoons alone (was around 8). I don't play ast but I imagine WD makes an even bigger difference for asts due to their generally weaker healing power?

I'm going for parachute for my first eso spending.

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ofc weapon will make you more effective. But it's not needed, I healed the ex roulettes at minimum ilvl as scholar, a job ive played like twice in my life, but I got it for leveling summoner so I wanted to try. Tank was also at min ilvl requirement. We did the dungeon no problem.
you don't NEED better ilvl if you arent doing raids. I got my bismarc ex kill at ilvl 160 or so.

So if you are raiding = get weapon first
if you aren't = get whatever you want it doesnt really matter since you are probably already at min ilvl for everything

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

I'm going for the weapon first. As a dps it should make the biggest difference in things dying faster. The main reason though is because i don't expect 3.1 until November so that's enough time to completely gear up with esoterics anyways so may as well get the weapon first. Yoshi said they are taking a break since heavensward released so don't expect the usual 3 months between patches. And if I'm wrong and it comes sooner you'll still probably only be short an accessory or two by then and will have gotten 2+ months of usage from the esos weapon.

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This^^ go for the wep first like Ulathskullsplitter says the next big update won't be till at least Nov maybe Oct the only real update we are getting soon is the summer event i believe so wep seems about right

always weapon first

Weapon first on every job, no exceptions. It's the biggest upgrade you can get. There's no relic for another 2+ months, and we don't even know what ilvl it'll be or how long it will take to get.

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Originally Posted by kupokage

Wait for new relic chain? I'd hate to spend 3 resets saving up for a weapon I'd ultimately replace when 3.1 comes out. I'd rather spend tomes gearing up my left side in anticipation for my AST relic. Smart or nah?

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have you seen that axe? I nearly wet myself when I saw the design and how awesome it looks on a roe. The only other axe to look that badass was the titan axe.

I'm getting the weapon now because I like the look and it would be a upgrade to may weapon.

Also we don't know what will be required to obtaining the new Relic 2 so getting the weapon would be a safe method if the Relic 2 takes a bit long.

Not to mention we don't know what each Relic 2 weapon will look like as well so it is best to get a weapon look you like now rather than regret it later.

I have a feeling that the eosteric weapon might have its place in the new relic chain.

Weapon first for me, especially because I love the look of the Eso BLM staff. ^.^

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I have a feeling that the eosteric weapon might have its place in the new relic chain.

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I currently doubt these weapons will be involved with the Relic 2 quest since they can already be upgraded to their ilvl 210 version if players have access to Alex savage and later the new 24 member raid in 3.1.

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I currently doubt these weapons will be involved with the Relic 2 quest since they can already be upgraded to their ilvl 210 version if players have access to Alex savage and later the new 24 member raid in 3.1.

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Ordinarily I'd agree, but the Relics could be upgraded from their base with a tome item. They could well be the base of the Mythic, but until I see a stage where I can change it's stats the Bard Esoteric will still be crap. Assuming it's the Mythic, of course.

Other than there not being proof that it's certainly not going to happen, what makes people think the relic will be in any way related to the tome weapon?

I'm definitely saving for weapon I just hate the way the WHM cane looks so I'll be glamming my inferno cane over it .

If ye don get yer weap'n yer wimpin', ya scrag!

Going for my antiquated Deathbringer first. Looks like it was at least partially made with Gore Magala parts.

The weapon upgrade is better then ANY other upgrade in the entire game.

I would wear i150 gear and take the best ilvl weapon over having EVERYTHING ELSE.

Are you a dps doing Alex Savage? If you sayd yes, then absolutely go and buy the wep.

Are you a tank/heal doing Alex Savage? You might wanna think about it depending on the stats, although I'd rather take armor as a tank.

Are you not doing Alex Savage, but planning on doing the relic chain? Don't take the weapon, but spend it on armor instead.

With both Esoteric tomestones and Alex Savage coming out a month after Heavensward release, I'm gonna go ahead and predict that we won't see 3.1 for another 3 months still at the earliest. It was 4 months between the patches in 2.X.

If it's 3+ months to 3.1, you will pretty much have full Esoteric gear anyways, even with getting the weapon...

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Are you a dps doing Alex Savage? If you sayd yes, then absolutely go and buy the wep.

Are you a tank/heal doing Alex Savage? You might wanna think about it depending on the stats, although I'd rather take armor as a tank.

Are you not doing Alex Savage, but planning on doing the relic chain? Don't take the weapon, but spend it on armor instead.

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For healing, the weapon will increase your healing by more than any piece by a significant amount.

For tanks, well Savage has pretty strict dps checks and you've got to contribute as well.
Though hate is not generally a huge issue, you don't want to be too behind your dps. As my static's leader, I'll give dps priority on the weapon upgrading which is its own gap.

Though armor does give more mitigation and that's usually priority as a tank, it's just not a worthy trade.
Nothing in the game is as powerful a stat jump as weapon damage.

If you're raiding, you get the weapon first for all the roles.
I can see waiting it out for the relic if you're not though.

As i dont have time to raid anymore, i'll get SMN body then SMN horn. I really dont need a new weapon to run the two dungeons us casuals got for our "expansion"

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

This^^ go for the wep first like Ulathskullsplitter says the next big update won't be till at least Nov maybe Oct the only real update we are getting soon is the summer event i believe so wep seems about right

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What's your proof that it won't happen till October or November. Because major patches usually happen 3 months apart not 4 or more. Last major patch was in June even though it was the expac release it was still a major patch. Three months from June is September not October or November. So it be September if they follow how they were going.

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Going for my antiquated Deathbringer first. Looks like it was at least partially made with Gore Magala parts.

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Also going for Deathbringer first. ^_^

If you've ever played Soul Caliber, it's pretty much the Soul Edge that Nightmare uses.

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What's your proof that it won't happen till October or November. Because major patches usually happen 3 months apart not 4 or more. Last major patch was in June even though it was the expac release it was still a major patch. Three months from June is September not October or November. So it be September if they follow how they were going.

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This is when it helps to read the thread. A previous poster already explained that Yoshi-P said they were taking a break since they just released the expansion AND Alex normal and Savage in such a short time.

Will be longer than the usual 3 months. At least 4 if not 5.

if u raid u get weap then belt then pants.

I know he said that but that still doesn't mean anything.

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I know he said that but that still doesn't mean anything.

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So Yoshi-P saying that they were taking a break (literally meaning that the next update will happen later) doesn't mean anything?

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Exactly just because he says he's taking a break doesn't mean the patch will be 4 to 5 months later. If it does take 4 to 5 months later just watch the some of the people who don't raid will be complaining that there's not enough content. Since some people don't craft don't gather. Think that eso will be enough to keep them going. I for one don't think so since people keep saying you don't need more then ilvl 170 if you don't do savage.

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Exactly just because he says he's taking a break doesn't mean the patch will be 4 to 5 months later. .

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Seriously....?

Normal time between major content patches without breaks = 3 months
Time between major content patch with a break (undisclosed amount of time) = More than 3 months

Could that mean 3 months + 1 week? Sure. But it's very likely it will be longer than that. Better to be realistic rather than getting your hopes up.

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Seriously....?

Normal time between major content patches without breaks = 3 months
Time between major content patch with a break (undisclosed amount of time) = More than 3 months

Could that mean 3 months + 1 week? Sure. But it's very likely it will be longer than that. Better to be realistic rather than getting your hopes up.

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So glad you think your a part of SE. I think that you should take your own advice and get real.

Honestly, as I have no intents of trying to find a static to do Savage anytime soon, and still have plenty of content to do before then, my esoterics are going into armor and accessories rather than saving up for the weapon. By the time I get around to content that would really need it, 3.1 and relics will be out and I'll be upgrading my weapon through that. Right now, my 180 weapon will suffice until I get around to Ravana EX. I'm still upgrading all my normal gear to Law and upgrading my current Law gear because despite enjoying combat very much, and being further than all but one of my friends, I don't focus purely on it......

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So glad you think your a part of SE. I think that you should take your own advice and get real.

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Erm.... "Take a break" implies "not working so much".

Either 3.1 will be " on time" and tiny, or delayed and larger.

There's nothing written in stone saying they *must* put out a new patch every 3 months.

I'm sorry you're bored already. Have a cookie.

2.0 launched on late august and the 2.1 patch was on december I think. We got 3.0 on late july so november is not a stretch.

They were also far off the mark with their 2.0 launch estimation iirc. Pretty sure 3.0 was slated to release much earlier too. Their 'smaller' 3 month updates have usually been on time but yeah.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

2.0 launched on late august and the 2.1 patch was on december I think. We got 3.0 on late july so november is not a stretch.

They were also far off the mark with their 2.0 launch estimation iirc. Pretty sure 3.0 was slated to release much earlier too. Their 'smaller' 3 month updates have usually been on time but yeah.

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Usually with a small delay. But wondering if the 3 months till 3.1 will be from the release of Heavensward, due to the released content every 2 weeks being part of the HW expansion but delayed to not put pressure on players to max level to start grinding tomes already. Or from the release of the last part of HW, Alex Savage.

So 3.1 could be any time from september to november.

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2.0 launched on late august and the 2.1 patch was on december I think. We got 3.0 on late july so november is not a stretch.

They were also far off the mark with their 2.0 launch estimation iirc. Pretty sure 3.0 was slated to release much earlier too. Their 'smaller' 3 month updates have usually been on time but yeah.

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If I remember correctly wasn't 2.1 delayed due to issues with 2.0 and 2.1 contents so they had to hold 2.1 back to fix these issues?

I don't think 3.1 is face much issues like 2.1 so doubt the issues may be any thing beyond a few weeks or so off the usual 2.5 month scheduale.