I main BLM, so I'd like something to complement this well. Though most of the stuff I equip is tome gear, being able to repair on my own might be convenient. On the other hand, GSM wouldn't be a bad choice either.
Is there anything I should consider cross-classing? Are leves worth it to do? I'm currently at 100/100.
Thinking about starting a craft.
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07-23-2015, 09:13 PMAmelia_Pond_BehemothThinking about starting a craft.
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07-23-2015, 09:59 PMLineageRazor
Kind of a dangerous time to ask folks whether you should level a craft. People are pretty salty about the current state of endgame crafting. XD
As BLM, the crafts that best complement your job are Goldsmith and Weaver, with a dash of Leathercraft. Weaver makes almost all of your left-side gear (with Leathercraft making up the rest), and Goldsmith makes your accessories and weapon.
You'll want to level EVERY class to at least 15 for their cross-class skills. This isn't as daunting as it sounds, as leveling to 15 is super easy, especially if you use leves (which it sounds like you have no shortage of). The earlier you do this the better, since it will allow you to get practice using the cross-class skills. Leveling CUL to 37 is also strongly recommended, as Steady Hand II is boss, but if that sounds like too much of a grind you can do without it. It's nice having those 100% success rate Basic Touches, though, and the magic it works on Hasty Touch and Rapid Synthesis is priceless.
The ability to repair your own gear is awesome. No more "Sorry, guys, I gotta go, my weapon just broke." Just repair it on the fly, even in the middle of combat. Just remember to keep a stack of Dark Matter on-hand; I had one embarrassing incident where my weapon broke and I found out I was all out of Dark Matter. Thankfully I was with friends. As I was tanking, made for a pretty exciting run when I swapped out my Relic Weapon for a Blunt Bastard Sword I happened to have lying around in my inventory! -
07-23-2015, 10:23 PMlordoftheapes79Get them all to 15 then focus on the one at a time. Best choices for blm are weaver, gsm, then alch, but as the previous post said, eventually you want them all to 50 for the better crossclass. There's also the advantage of self repairs, in which case crp and ltw also make the leveling list.Quote:
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07-24-2015, 04:03 AMAmelia_Pond_Behemoth
Thanks for all of the advice so far. One thing I noticed with quick synth is that it doesn't take cross class into account. I'm leveling up cooking for Hasty Touch and auto making hardboiled eggs for my GC. I still fail despite having Careful Synth crossed.
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07-24-2015, 04:06 AMHanmerrebornCareful isn't a trait, it's an action you have to use.Quote:
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07-24-2015, 04:07 AMKenji1134
Quick Synth looks at your Craftsmanship and Level vs the item you are making and basically sets a failure rate and some HQ rate.
If you are QS'ing something near your level with dated gear your failure rate will be higher, regardless of class, x-class skills, w/e, only your Craftsmanship and relative level matter.
If you QS something some 15-20 lvls below you with HQ level appropriate gear, you should have a 100% success rate, and maybe a 5% HQ rate. -
07-24-2015, 01:20 PMBushWookie
Start with Weaver.
Quick synth your way to level 30, use leves to hit 50. Weaver for the Careful Synthesis II, which I believe is the most powerful skill for low level crafters.
Level everything else to 15, and Culinarian to 37.
Never touch Culinarian again.
Use you newly acquired cross class skill set to make your life as a Weaver easier.
Make your self a couple million Gil.
Use said Gil to level all of your 15's to 30, and then leves to 50. Make millions off Velveteen in the process.
Once all are at 50, use leves to get to 60, working one at a time.
Get rich. -
07-24-2015, 01:51 PMYeldir
There is no end-game crafting market at 60. It was abolished by design. Your only viable source of income at 60 is other crafters, and that will disappear when people have their AF and tools, because there is nothing to craft with them. There is an extremely narrow window of time left by which anyone will be "getting rich", and the only means they will be doing so is to make gear for other gatherers and crafters, while there is still a demand for that sort of thing. The current system has a very definite breaking point on the horizon.
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07-24-2015, 09:41 PMBushWookieWhy would you post something like this in a thread where this person is looking to get in to crafting? How very selfish of you. You have zero evidence to support such claims.Quote:
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Please keep your speculation and fear mongering posts limited to the "err meh gawd red scrips" threads. Not here. -
07-24-2015, 10:07 PMgoob
In terms of crafting in general, if you level everything up together (except for food), you'll have the benefit of being able to make items from one class and using them in another, such as using carpentry to make lumber and then using that lumber to make weapons in blacksmithing. (I think culinary is in it's own little world) However I do realize you had asked specifically about crafting for a BLM.
It's much easier to make money from crafting, which you can then use to buy more materials, if you focus on all of the crafts at once and level them up in parallel. But that does take a lot of patience and time spent managing one's inventory. The benefits can make it very worthwhile depending on what you want out of crafting in the long run. Just something to think about. -
07-25-2015, 05:34 AMAmelia_Pond_Behemoth
Without even meaning to, I've been leveling WVR and GSM together since GSM can make HQ weapon and accessories for my WVR, and my WVR can make some HQ gear for my GSM.
Looking at the list of possible cross class, Careful Synth II looks very nice. In the meantime, Careful Synth is pretty nice as I'm guaranteed progress without failing that portion of the craft.
Nearly 2 years later of having the quest locked, I finally can meld my own gear. So far it's only been level 1 crafting materia, but it still feels good to do my own.
Yeldir, your advice is duly noted, but if I cared that much about making money, I would have been in the crafting business a long time ago. I've had the game since ARR EA, and now nearly 2 years later, finally can meld my own gear. I'm in it because I want to have fun. If I make money in the process, that's a side bonus. -
07-25-2015, 05:53 AMSeybI find crafting loads of fun! So keep at it and good luck. :)Quote:
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07-25-2015, 06:02 AMYeldirYou wot, m8? SE has flat out said stated that crafting for progression is over. This has nothing to do with scrips, and we'd still be well and truly screwed if scrips themselves vanished overnight!Quote:
Originally Posted by BushWookie
There's two ways to get rich, and I mean really rich, in this game - the first is crafting/gathers for players trying to progress in PVE, who have and will always vastly outnumber the crafting populace, and the second way is crafting for crafters trying to gear themselves out to craft for the former category. The second market is booming at present. The first market, as I've said to you already, was intentionally destroyed by SE.
What part of my claims are you doubting, specifically? They seem incredibly simple to follow, to me. A very short chain of cause and effect. -
07-25-2015, 06:55 AMAmelia_Pond_Behemoth
What about the market that wants to play dress-up?
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07-25-2015, 06:59 AMBushWookieSee but you're acting like 3.5 couldn't change anything. Who's to say there won't be DoW/DoM gear to craft down the line?Quote:
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07-26-2015, 05:12 PMRaves
Please don't ignore grand company turn ins. Leves are expensive, time limites supply. They have their place, but relying solely on them to level can be painful.
GC turn ins can net you a enormous amount of exp for a high quality turn in, especially when that item is starred. Everything you craft, the mire you fill the quality bar, the more exp you get. Just crafting base components from raw mats plus the item craft itself brings in a lot of exp. This effect is compounded for leves since you are often crafting multiple items for consecutive courier or triple turn in leves.
I say leves are expensive, but only so far as you don't provide your own mats. At the very least though grinding leves can drain your shards, so unless you gather your own, have some gil set aside for the occasional need to buy 500ish shards.
The leves themselves vary in efficiency. Courier offer the most bang for a single craft, thus are material efficient/leve inefficient. Triple turn ins offer slightly more exp per leve, but only if you do all 3 tuen ins. This means making more of a particular item, so these leves are material inefficient/leve efficient. -
07-26-2015, 10:22 PMYeldirSE straight up told us that there would be no more crafts that were competitive with raid gear. They were really displeased by how crafting accelerated coil progression in 2.0. If absolutely necessary, I can hunt down the quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushWookie
What we have now isn't stopgap. It's representative of how they want crafting to be from now on. Anyone saying "maybe it'll get better" is saying "maybe SE will come to their senses". Maybe they won't. It's important to consider how deliberately useless the current craftable PVE gear is at 60. I think it is entirely fair and reasonable to warn new players that things aren't what they used to be, and that they may never be again. -
07-26-2015, 11:21 PMAmelia_Pond_BehemothSomeone in my FC suggested this as well. At first I wasn't impressed, but that was because I did things wrong. At the time, the turn in I tried was for cooking. It was a low level craft of a hard boiled egg. But by the time I got around to turning that in, I was 13 or 14, so that egg gave me garbage exp. Now that I understand them better, I have been making GC turn-ins the first thing I do that day.Quote:
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