Red Crafters' Scrips Budget Forecast

I didn't see it anywhere yet so, yeah...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


I feel I have to add I do not look forward to this weekly cap on crafting.

edit: now includes the forecast for gatherers' redscrips
(ignoring the Favors since we don't know how many item 5 of them will let us get)

What I want to know is what the point of the ilvl 180 vendor gear is. It looks absolutely ridiculous to get but it doesn't look like you can meld it? I don't see any materia holes on it anyways >.> seems a bit pointless.

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Originally Posted by colenzo

What I want to know is what the point of the ilvl 180 vendor gear is. It looks absolutely ridiculous to get but it doesn't look like you can meld it? I don't see any materia holes on it anyways >.> seems a bit pointless.

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It's just an option that doesn't require gil. It's not bis, but it will get the job done.

The whole of 3.05 is just stupid for crafters

How do people know how much red scrip gear costs when its not out yet?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

How do people know how much red scrip gear costs when its not out yet?

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The scripts are not out but the npc that exchange them is there already, also it have the price for the items.

Gear is already sold in idyllshire, new crafting mats which require red scripts too.

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Originally Posted by lordoftheapes79

It's just an option that doesn't require gil. It's not bis, but it will get the job done.

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Right, but why even bother with getting a single piece of gear that when it takes more than a couple of weeks to get with scrips if its not even going to be bis? Its really silly imo.

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Originally Posted by colenzo

Right, but why even bother with getting a single piece of gear that when it takes more than a couple of weeks to get with scrips if its not even going to be bis? Its really silly imo.

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Scrips gear was designed for people that did not wish to pay the expense that comes with HQ hear and melding. Lots of people will go this route. It will require a different rotation and presumably HQ materials during crafting, but it looks fine enough to do the lvl 60 2 star recipes. Also, the crafted HQ gear will not be easy, a lot of people will end up making NQ and wasting mats. The gear also will not be BiS without T5 materia in it, which atm are very scarce.

When I saw both the i180 token gear and the i170 crafted gear, I was under the assumption that you would need the i180 token gear to even get close to HQing any of the 2-star items, and when you finally got your fill i170 crafted set, that would simply make it easier to HQ the 2-star items. Here's for hoping that grade 5 materia won't be stuck to mutamix conversions until a later patch ...

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Originally Posted by colenzo

What I want to know is what the point of the ilvl 180 vendor gear is. It looks absolutely ridiculous to get but it doesn't look like you can meld it? I don't see any materia holes on it anyways >.> seems a bit pointless.

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First: Base stats are higher

Second: you wont be able to craft the i170 if you dont get it because its impossible (without a perfect meld costing millions) to craft the new stuff. As its maint now i dont know the exact numbers but it should be something like melded 80 Craftmanship and 40 control or something *sigh*

although it does take alot to get there seafood stew help a big amount. Im going to try the 2 stars later today sitting at 719 craft 684 control 388 cp w/o food so with food ill be 719 craft 709 control 428 cp so ^^ time to mess with rotations for it

Looks like you get 60 Red scrips per ET hour if you can only do either mining, botanist or fishing.
''normal'' nodes overlap (Chysahl Green/Adamantite ores) and the other option requires a specific folklore.

Which means that obtaining 450 red scrips takes 7.5 ET days, which interestingly is about the same amount of time it takes to collect enough blue scrips for 1 folklore tome, if you do both bot+mining options in the hinterlands.

Christ why would you even bother. Considering the current cost of mats and finished item worth VS the amount you need to cap Red Scripts you would make more selling those than doing anything else.

Initially i looked at the non-meldable gear and thought it was quite cool, but now considering the cost of grinding those Red Scripts i'm thinking a fully melded set of standard 60 gear is only lightly worse and will see you to crafting most of what you need.

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Originally Posted by LynnScifo

edit: now includes the forecast for gatherers' redscrips
(ignoring the Favors since we don't know how many item 5 of them will let us get)

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This isn't a great sample size by any means, however I bought 2 favors, the first one after using all 5 charges yielded 14 bladeleaf and 1 swordleaf. The second one I got 1 Wyvern Wart in the 15 minute window before rage quitting gathering. I'd predict at least 2 scrips per synth of 1 base mat, since you need 10 mining and 10 botany items + 1 crafter scrip.

Updating: decided to go back to the Churning Mists and try for wyverns wart again, got another 1 in 15minutes.

with full ilvl 150 HQ gear and the lvl 54 HQ food (Beet Soup) you only need cheap melds to craft the new stuff, the question is how hard it will be to HQ with those minimum stats. I wouldnt want to waste my scrip mats for a NQ item thats only as good as my current gear.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Looks like you get 60 Red scrips per ET hour if you can only do either mining, botanist or fishing.
''normal'' nodes overlap (Chysahl Green/Adamantite ores) and the other option requires a specific folklore.

Which means that obtaining 450 red scrips takes 7.5 ET days, which interestingly is about the same amount of time it takes to collect enough blue scrips for 1 folklore tome, if you do both bot+mining options in the hinterlands.

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With my perception i get 3 items per spot, so 72 red scrip per 72 rl minutes - so capping my scrip should take a total of going to nodes 13 times. Its no so bad compared to the crafting scrip. But my culinarian will be doing those, i can live making 45 morel salads for stuff x.x

whats your perception and rotation to get 3 items from adamantite/chysahl green and is it also the same from legendary nodes or do you only get 2 ?

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Originally Posted by Shadowsun

whats your perception and rotation to get 3 items from adamantite/chysahl green and is it also the same from legendary nodes or do you only get 2 ?

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http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...nersbotanists/

649 perception is enough for the adamantite/chysahl greens using this rotation

Thats not the rotation he was talking about, that reddit shows a rotation for a SINGLE item, the other post claimed 3 items

That thread has replies with different rotations

Yeah, the way this is going to work is that crafters will have to procure their i180 set, then they'll have the stats to craft the i170 set. Or you can wait, stockpile millions of gil, and buy the i170 set from the market board right away.

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Originally Posted by Shadowsun

Thats not the rotation he was talking about, that reddit shows a rotation for a SINGLE item, the other post claimed 3 items

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There is no rotation that provides 3 items at 100% chance. There are however 2 rotations that provide 3-4 but both are at RNGs mercy.

The better one of the 2 is: (2x [Discerning + Impulsive] + 1x [Discerning + meth] If any of the impulsives proc, use a single mind on next move instead of discerning) -> grants a possibility of +1 or +2 for 2-4 total.

Why..? 100 weeks for gear that doesn't even compare to ilvl 200 from eso tokens. let alone savage alex 210s..Hell the 190s got these beat for the most part.. or go join party finder for FREE do hunts for FREE and get ilvl180s for FREE.. or use 5-10m in mats for 1 piece that isnt even that good ... GREAT JOB YOSHI U RLY PUT ALOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS....

What I want to know is why do gatherers get significantly less scrips than crafters? I mean sure, there's 3 gatherers vs. 8 crafters but once one crafter is at a good level (specially WVR or LTW) the rest of the stuff becomes incredibly trivial to get if mats are provided. Another issue is, for example, Wyvern Warts and basically, the new materials in general, are going for upwards of 1 million gil on MB. Why bother anymore if crafting is going to be that much costly JUST to progress from 3.0 HQ gear? This was a bad idea because it basically punishes you for getting all crafters up to snuff, much worse for gatherers because they can ONLY get their gear through the scrips and it's only a maximum of 10 scrips a pop (let alone the fact that they're folklore nodes).

God forbid someone got all their classes to 60 and want to be self-sufficient. And let's not mention the demimateria debacle.

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Originally Posted by DesiM

This isn't a great sample size by any means, however I bought 2 favors, the first one after using all 5 charges yielded 14 bladeleaf and 1 swordleaf. The second one I got 1 Wyvern Wart in the 15 minute window before rage quitting gathering. I'd predict at least 2 scrips per synth of 1 base mat, since you need 10 mining and 10 botany items + 1 crafter scrip.

Updating: decided to go back to the Churning Mists and try for wyverns wart again, got another 1 in 15minutes.

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The Favor system sounds a bit confusing to me as I've only read about it so far but it does seem like it's going even less rewarding than I initially thought... I need to do more research.

edit : it would seem -rounding up widely- that, maybe, very depending on RNG (and sheer will), you would need about the same amount of gatherers' redscrips as crafters' redscrips to get the materials needed. Or more simply :
1 token = 5 favors = 20 items (actually seems more like 17...?)

Since the nodes themselves aren't that hard to get, I guess the "best choice" -if you want to go down that road- would be to use all of your gatherers' redscrips for 23 weeks, on favors...

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Originally Posted by LynnScifo

The Favor system sounds a bit confusing to me as I've only read about it so far but it does seem like it's going even less rewarding than I initially thought... I need to do more research.

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Worst part:

At this point you put all this time and money in your gatherers/crafters so you can gather/craft more. Im not counting the few furnitures (yay 2 furnitures) you can make then or the i180 crap because its basically worthless. In 3.2 or some time down the road they will nerf the old gear so you can get the new one easier, like they cut down the items made for artisan tools back in 2.4 to 5 needed instead of 50. So i hope for a token downcut to 20% or less of the original price.

But as it is now (I was an omnicrafter in 2.x just so i could make what i wanted to be made) there is actually nothing in the 2 star range that i WANT/NEED to make. I can gather all items needed for anything below 2 star, and i can craft everything up to 1 star without melding 2-3m gil in my gear.

So basically, for me as self sufficient person nothing changed to the 3.0 release except that i will grind my weekly 450 scrip and get tokens so i can get stuff when the amounts are nerfed. Im pretty sure they will find a way then to add MORE red scrip gear down the road and 3- and 4- star recipes that will need the same amount of grind >.>

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Originally Posted by Magistrella

So basically, for me as self sufficient person nothing changed to the 3.0 release except that i will grind my weekly 450 scrip and get tokens so i can get stuff when the amounts are nerfed. Im pretty sure they will find a way then to add MORE red scrip gear down the road and 3- and 4- star recipes that will need the same amount of grind >.>

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I feel exactly the same.
I guess (okay, I know) I will need the i170/180 equipement at some point, but by then, I will have amassed a serious amount of redscrip, and they probably will uncap/lower the cost/give us more ways to obtain the materials.

Still... sucks to just stand there, before this gigantic wall, hoarding tokens wishing that some day, I will actually use them.

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Originally Posted by Alexiell

with full ilvl 150 HQ gear and the lvl 54 HQ food (Beet Soup) you only need cheap melds to craft the new stuff, the question is how hard it will be to HQ with those minimum stats. I wouldnt want to waste my scrip mats for a NQ item thats only as good as my current gear.

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While my stats are a bit above the norm (719 craft, 696 control, 387cp unbuffed) using HQ seafood stew as a food made most of the crafts fairly trivial assuming you use as many cheap/easy to obtain HQ mats. You still run into the issue of RNG being a thing. Sadly for me RNG was pretty horrible and I ended up get 0 goods in 20+ steps and decided to try reclaiming. Needless to say my reclaim blew up in my face, which essentially put me a week behind, but 10% is 10% so whatever. Looking back on it now, I should of just taken my chances since I had 6 stacks of IQ (Yep bad RNG) and was fully buffed for a finisher at 4500/9430.

RNG can be a bit** ... it shouldn't at least be possible for reclaim to fail at this stage of crafting because exactly this happens... ;(

Why are you all so bent on being omni everything? Didn't you read the notes about S_P_E_C_I_A_L_I_Z_A_T_I_O_N

Because I'm the only one I can rely on to be online and doing what I want to do when I'm online.

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Originally Posted by Mini_Me

Why are you all so bent on being omni everything? Didn't you read the notes about S_P_E_C_I_A_L_I_Z_A_T_I_O_N

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You don't need specalist skills for any of the new 2* crafts.

But even if you did, I don't think I'd be keen on trusting anoither craft with 10's of millions of gil in crafting mats, because the are so crazy hard/limited to get.