Playing a healer in PVP has not been fun in a long time. I took a break for a while from PVP because of this issue, and it hasn't changed much since. Healers are the ONLY job that cannot defend themselves. I have been in a 1v1 battle with a Dark Knight for 10 minutes while the rest of the PVP match was going on. The match ended with us still fighting in a 1v1 non-death lock. And heavens forgive me if I get caught in the corner by a warrior. I have never PVPed in an MMO where a healer can't kill a tank. We really don't have anything going for us in PVP at all.
It has gotten to the point where no one comes in as a healer anymore unless they are part of a full group. I am not sure how it is for everyone else, but every game I have gotten into today has a full group, if not two, without a single healer. Something needs to be done to make healing in PVP worth it.
Can we please have Cleric Stance back?
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07-22-2015, 09:59 AMLeo_KageCan we please have Cleric Stance back?
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07-22-2015, 10:04 AMCeveArthu
The tanks in pvp are dps, you have a billion cc skills to just lock them up and walk off to do sometihng else
Healers are both healers and gigantic tanks in pvp, having them also have a very decent damage at the same time was absurd and it was removed for a good reason
I'm a white mage and i FL without any group, not having a single issue disengaging or locking people up while also capturing points on my own, its not difficult
Astrologians can heal, stoneskin, sheild, bind and heavy while moving, scholars have a ranged bind and an external heal -
07-22-2015, 01:28 PMLeo_Kage
We are one thing, we can heal, and anything we are healing is hard to kill. Tanks can boost defenses, heal, party heal and boost hp, lock down enemies, and DPS. So why shouldn't healers be able to heal, CC, and DPS? It is really easy to lock down a healer, or one shot them.
It isn't like we can deal out damage, and heal at the same time. It takes time to switch in and out of the stance. It isn't a light switch we can just flip on and off whenever we want. Turning it on can actually lead to our death.
Every job can have their strengths, CC, and DPS except for healers. Now we are just heal spam bots who attempt to live as long as possible until we run out of mana, or someone stun locks/Adrenaline slams us to death.
I really feel like they cut our options in half. I am not sure how it was for others, but PVP died after that change. Wait times went from 5 minutes, to over an hour. I fear this new PVP wave will just die again without healers again. -
07-22-2015, 01:37 PMSlib
we heal and CC ;P
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07-22-2015, 01:41 PMPence
I don't think I could find time to DPS. 90% of the time I am busy supporting, and healing. Someone chasing you? Let him. He's probably not going to hurt you on his own, just bait him into your team.
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07-22-2015, 04:42 PMCeveArthutanks can barely heal, the exception being a one time use of thrill of war on huge CD, or paladin using clemency until he runs out of mpQuote:
Originally Posted by Leo_Kage
Whereas healers can go from almost dead to full instantly, then do the same thing to other people
saying tanks can heal is like saying a lancer with cure or a monk using second wind is a healer
Cleric stance didn't kill PvP with the change, FL was already falling off the shiny new content shelf and people were getting tired after seeing 5+ healer alliances completely roll over anyone else that didnt have a similar amount of healers
Healers also have exceptional CC skills, i dont know why you think otherwise -
07-22-2015, 05:17 PMDitto
Drk cant heal. I very much like when my healers are actually healing and not trying to kill people while their teammates are dying.
I mean unless you consider Souleater to be a viable heal, but c'mon what Drk is running around in Grit 24/7, or even has the MP to use on Grit in 90% of situations when their HP is low. -
07-22-2015, 11:07 PMKnoahlI think it's more the fact they removed medica 2 and regen stacking to combat healers being stacked in party's AND removed cleric, both didn't need to happen, they could have made the cleric lockout longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeveArthu
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07-22-2015, 11:41 PMDomiraBoth needed to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoahl
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07-22-2015, 11:53 PMKurogaea
Point of the matter is, being a healer in PvP feels rather pathetic. Not all the time we will be able to heal our teammates, why, well we're main targets in PvP. Range DPS target us and interrupt heals, attacks too.
The balance that SE didn't consider is that Healers are always top priority in PvP. If they're not dead, then you'll soon be. And as if your team is always taking damage. There'd be moments
when your team is behind an alliance and have no other teams attacking you, so it'd be the
perfect time to pop cleric stance and DOT/stone3 baddies. And btw, Drks can heal themselves substantially, I seen one heal to 25% hp and kill a DPS just as he was about to die. -
07-22-2015, 11:57 PMKurogaea
No, it didn't. Healers could use that getting away from battle. It was no issue to anyone as dps could melt through it if healers were to be unaware of being attacked or stood still for too long, as well as other dps who obtained these stacks of regen.
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07-22-2015, 11:58 PMCeveArthu
A good healer can tank a huge amount of damage from the average FL ragtag mob for a long time, even in the new lvl 60 cap, it just requires practise
Gaining damage won't assist you in your job of being the tank -
07-23-2015, 12:05 AMKurogaeaIts not our job of being a tank, its being able to defend ourselves from mobs. eventually we'd have to avoid standing still due to reinforcements,Quote:
Originally Posted by CeveArthu
so its either kill the ones fighting you now or book it before more show up, and if your fighting range dps, casting regen + cleric
stance + aero would most likely push back followers. And saying your team should be nearby would be unheard of in Sieze, as they're constantly moving around to get the other popped up Pillars. -
07-23-2015, 12:08 AMCeveArthusee: any mmo with a healer classQuote:
ts not our job of being a tank
yes we are, we are the weakest link in the team and therefore have to hold the mantle of tank -
07-23-2015, 12:15 AMKnoahlGreat reply, so informative, bet you don't even play healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Domira
Completley agree, my BF mains DRK and doesn't really need healing, he tries to peel using Tar Pit, and stuns who ever he can but it's just not enough, he stays on Casters etc but they have too many instants now (looking at you summoner), and just how can stacking tanks be justified and stacking healers can't? people still died when healers were stacked, thats what Adrenalline bar is for, but its BS when its used and you're the only healer and you've already used attunement etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
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07-23-2015, 11:13 AMBlubbers
Side note Leo - If you see this, awesome games last night! Was awesome seeing you guys in there again like old times! I think one of those games we basically won just through sheer willpower, we got super unlucky on all the spawns but killed so many people we were able to edge out the win LOL!
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07-23-2015, 11:31 AMDomiraActually I do and I don't agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoahl
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07-23-2015, 12:44 PMYumi_umi
I've been practicing being a tank ast, 13k hp in sieze and i sometime average about taking 150k-280k dmg a fight.
I can tank a drgn, mnk, smn , 2 tanks chasing me lol. Its rough but i can provoke 8 bads chasing 1 healer for 1 min lol -
07-23-2015, 12:58 PMLeo_KageBlubbers, you were amazing. You make me want to level my Warrior again. It is so painful being a healing vending machine, but I used to be able to keep you alive, and have fun! XD now I am just a battery apparently.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Blubbers
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07-23-2015, 04:55 PMCeveArthuHonestly you dont really need to play healer to understand that it was far too powerful, cleric stance was a thorn in the side of wolves den for a long time when you faced off against a decent scholarQuote:
Originally Posted by Knoahl
The power was glaringly obvious in a casual mode like frontlines, where the potential for abuse is much higher and the average skill level is much lower -
07-23-2015, 05:04 PMKiyyto
Wait, people actually PvP in ffxiv?
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07-23-2015, 05:47 PMCeveArthuYou posting just to be snide aside, yes i pretty much only play ff14 for pvp, i have little interest in the endgame grindQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiyyto
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07-23-2015, 09:49 PMGeologo
I was always up for a CS return but not for how it is designed for PvE, nerf it, don't remove it.
Give a similar pvp skill, give it a long cooldown, nerf a little the int <-> mind switch, but do something.
IF u still thing that parties with all healers will pop, give a progressive mind nerf to parties with 3 or more healers. -
07-23-2015, 10:38 PMSantherelle
Don't forget we also get no rewards at all for healing.
Shiny mount? Get it for kills
Healing? No kills. -
07-23-2015, 10:45 PMCeveArthu
theres a mount for kills?
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07-24-2015, 07:40 PMKnoahlAs was a White Mage who could get casts off. Either way the main reason SCH was so strong in Cleric was Eos and Lustrate, both of which's scaling have changed and lustrate can't be used in cleric no more meaning it would be easier to punish one in the stance. With the new disparity between DPS and healers and HP pools, even without cleric at 50 it's somewhat bareable. 200 hp hits out of a 10k hp pool is horribleQuote:
Originally Posted by CeveArthu
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07-25-2015, 05:25 PMSelli
They should make it easier to heal people from other Alliances, tbh (even if it's, like, 1/4th of the healing your party is getting on AoE heals). This is really annoying when I get into matches where I am the only healer out of the 24 people in my GC (which happens a lot). I have to click on people to heal them and sometimes it's far too late, especially if I have no instant heals. They should also make your AP points set with the job like they do with Attribute points. SMNs don't want to go SCH because they only have just over a minute to reset their AP points and put it into appropriate healer skills.
Being a healer is really unforgiving, I agree. Aside from Attunement, which renders you useless anyway, you really have no way to get out of trouble. I'm actually surprised PvP doesn't offer some tank-like buffs to healers. If you happened to get left behind in a fight or are chased by 2+ people, you're basically dead if you're caught.
Melee LB is the worst thing. Even if you sprint away from the person LBing you, you are still one-shot. I don't know if it's a one-shot for everyone (let's be honest, melee save it for healers. I have yet to see a DPS or a tank be LB'd). Even caster LB (as annoying as it is) isn't a 1-shot if you're at full HP.
Healer LB isn't anything special, either. Yeah, it's a heal, but it's a weak heal (and I think it has some minor MP regain, but I've personally never had an MP issue in either of the FLs) and it has a cast bar. If you're in a situation where you can't pull of a heal, there's no way in hell you can pull off your LB. It should offer something else, like heal members not in your alliance, provide some kind of damage reduction buff, or do damage. -
07-25-2015, 05:44 PMAbandonHopeTD
There is no mount for kills. Are you cooked?
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07-25-2015, 05:54 PMAliseBecause you are THAT important to your team, that is why everybody want to kill you first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
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07-26-2015, 11:44 PMRiceisNiceThere's a mount for kills?Quote:
Originally Posted by Santherelle
Oh if only ADS required X amount of kills rather than X amount of wins...