MCH is a good but

It is the only class that is a slave to RNG. The RNG in this game is bad enough but to build a class whos actions are based on RNG procing is to me bad . All abilities say 50% chance that next sill will add the bonus damage. But i swear noting is more disappointing then hitting split shot 6 to 10 times justnto get one slug shot proc. Granted we have reload but can only use it once every 60 seconds and rapid fire but even with RF you are still a slave to the RNG proc.

My suggestion do away with reload let the skills proc in order like everybody elses class or make reload a skill that adds bonus damage for next 5 shots .

I just hate seeing my all out opening burst go for like 20k and my wildfire hits for 4.8 to 5.3k then all my DPS just drops off the face of the earth because of RNG and my CDs .

Having said all this i do like the class i will main it over my BRD but i would love to see some more change to make it better

Only class with RNG? Astrologian would like to have a word with you.

Would be better if Reload and quick reload would atleast be guaranteed procs rather than an increase of proc rate.

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Originally Posted by StarVII

Only class with RNG? Astrologian would like to have a word with you.

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In all honesty, I think MCH has it worse. If AST's RNG was like MCH's, their heals would have completely random and unreliable potency.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Would be better if Reload and quick reload would atleast be guaranteed procs rather than an increase of proc rate.

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But... ammunition does give you guaranteed procs.

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Originally Posted by StarVII

Only class with RNG? Astrologian would like to have a word with you.

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It's not as bad I would wager as our RNG is on buffs we can use on anyone, a MCH rng is affecting his damage which I can imagine during DPS checks, is where you do NOT want to have the chance to miss proc or do less damage due to something you can not control.

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Originally Posted by Kietsu

In all honesty, I think MCH has it worse. If AST's RNG was like MCH's, their heals would have completely random and unreliable potency.

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But... ammunition does give you guaranteed procs.

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Sorry, but it doesn't. It just increases the rate, but by how much, who knows?

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Reload - Loads firearm with five rounds of special ammunition. One round of ammunition is used each time a weaponskill is executed. Increase that weaponskill's potency by 20. Ammunition use may also increase the rate at which a weaponskill's additional effect is triggered. No more than five rounds can be loaded one at a time. Duration: 30s. Recast Time: 60s

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I have never had a none proc off reload or quick reload i've always used those skills as garanteed procs.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Sorry, but it doesn't. It just increases the rate, but by how much, who knows?

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Split Shot: Delivers an attack with a potency of 140.
-Additional Effect: 50% chance of increasing next Slug Shot potency by 80
-Gauss Barrel Effect: Next Slug Shot will have no cast time
-Duration: 10s
-Ammunition Effect: 100% chance of increasing next Slug Shot potency


Slug Shot: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
-Split Shot Bonus Potency: 180
-Additional Effect: 50% chance of increasing next Clean Shot potency by 100
-Gauss Barrel Effect: Next Clean Shot will have no cast time
-Duration: 10s
-Ammunition Effect: 100% chance of increasing next Clean Shot potency

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Split Shot: Delivers an attack with a potency of 140.
-Additional Effect: 50% chance of increasing next Slug Shot potency by 80
-Gauss Barrel Effect: Next Slug Shot will have no cast time
-Duration: 10s
-Ammunition Effect: 100% chance of increasing next Slug Shot potency


Slug Shot: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
-Split Shot Bonus Potency: 180
-Additional Effect: 50% chance of increasing next Clean Shot potency by 100
-Gauss Barrel Effect: Next Clean Shot will have no cast time
-Duration: 10s
-Ammunition Effect: 100% chance of increasing next Clean Shot potency

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Misleading . If you go to the striking dummies in FN apply Gauss Barrel and do rotation it still will add casting times unless you proc then no casting time.

Former WHM gone MCH speaking, so I'm still trying to figure out how to DPS properly. But for times when the bonuses just don't appear, that's when I normally pop my cross-classed cooldowns (Hawk's Eye or Raging Strikes) so that my DPS doesn't fall into the void, never to be seen again. The only situations I've encountered where this isn't as feasible is when a sudden DPS burst is required, and I end up expending all of my remaining cooldowns to meet the check. That being said, I normally save ammunition for when worse comes to worst and I have no other cooldowns and am getting no procs.

I really enjoy machinist. But I really hate the cast bar. It's so annoying that im missing one GCD to use an OGCD unless I use them during procs, but since procs dont always happen I need to sacrifice a GCD.

I also dislike that if you use rapid fire, you can't do 1-2-3 because the proc is slower than GCD so you end up using clean shot, and see the proc after

Other than that it's a fun job

Ooh and some pet micro would be nice

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Originally Posted by Amiaze

Former WHM gone MCH speaking, so I'm still trying to figure out how to DPS properly. But for times when the bonuses just don't appear, that's when I normally pop my cross-classed cooldowns (Hawk's Eye or Raging Strikes) so that my DPS doesn't fall into the void, never to be seen again. The only situations I've encountered where this isn't as feasible is when a sudden DPS burst is required, and I end up expending all of my remaining cooldowns to meet the check. That being said, I normally save ammunition for when worse comes to worst and I have no other cooldowns and am getting no procs.

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I go all out i play on PS4 and have a lot of things macroed i do great i think. I can stream my rotation if you want to see on twitch look for Cloudrippers stream

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Originally Posted by Amiaze

But for times when the bonuses just don't appear, that's when I normally pop my cross-classed cooldowns (Hawk's Eye or Raging Strikes)

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You don't wanna do that. You'll get a bigger overall DPS increase on those abilities by using them alongside reload (and to snap cast DoTs, obviously).

To put it another way, nothing is proccing, best DPS in that situation is spamming splitshot (until it does) where you'd normally 1-2-3. Raging strikes is +20%. So lets look at some potency per second, ignoring oGCDs etc.

1-1-1 = 140 potency every 2.5 seconds or 56 potency per second.

1-2-3 = 160+200+220 = 580/3 = 193 (and a third) potency per GCD . 77 (and a third) potency per second.

Now if you use raging strikes for the top one you increase your potency per second by 11.2, for a total potency per second over that time period of 67.2

If you use raging strikes during the second you increase your potency by 15.4, for a total potency per second over that time period of 92.8.

Or to put it another way you get an extra 4.2 potency per second using Raging Strikes alongside ammo greater than it would using it without which does add up to more DPS over an encounter.

http://www.twitch.tv/cloud_ripper

My rotation and the CDs DPS gains then loss

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Originally Posted by DarkRain

I go all out i play on PS4 and have a lot of things macroed i do great i think. I can stream my rotation if you want to see on twitch look for Cloudrippers stream

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Thanks, I'll do that! I don't get to see other MCHs rotations very often, so this will be a treat. I prefer to look at other people and modify my own strategy rather than just looking up what the "best" rotation is. Hoping I can get back into T9 and put it to the test, just because there are so many DPS and mechnics checks in there. It certainly modified my healing; I can't stop casting stoneskin whenever a tank takes even a little damage. >_> Everything is Ravensbeaks to me. Hoping T9 will do the same for MCH.

@Krylo You did your math wrong. The 123 isn't calculating pps. You just added the potency of all 3 WS' and divided by the number of WS which gave you the average potency of the 3. The actual potency of a 111 v 123 is actually not the big however you also can't forget that the ammunition effect adds 20 potency to your WS'.

Either way, I'll be putting out a guide that will be done by Saturday. It'll go over almost everything. If you have questions that you'd like answered in the guide you can add me on Guildwork.com @ http://guildwork.com/users/haxetc and send me a PM. I want to try and cover all questions the community has. Also, if you watch it and have feedback on things that could be done different/better let me know. I'm open to any criticism, I promise.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I really enjoy machinist. But I really hate the cast bar. It's so annoying that im missing one GCD to use an OGCD unless I use them during procs, but since procs dont always happen I need to sacrifice a GCD.

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You can press the OGCD button .5 sec (approx) before you end the cast (unless you have it in a macro), that way you will use the OGCD in the moment you end the cast and you will be able to cast again when the GCD is coming off

The only thing that I find uncomfortable is the little time you have to see the first proc
I put a button in the middle of my screen with Slug Shot, I wait until the end of the OGCD, if at that time the button have the proc's outline I press 2 and if not I press 1. That way I avoid doing tunnel vision

When you have a proc you get an special noise, If you don't have the proc you hear a thud "tsuds"
If you have the proc you hear "tsuds-bling", something like that, I am not good with onomatopoeias
but in the heat of battle it's hard to hear

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Originally Posted by Haxetc

@Krylo You did your math wrong. The 123 isn't calculating pps. You just added the potency of all 3 WS' and divided by the number of WS which gave you the average potency of the 3. The actual potency of a 111 v 123 is actually not the big however you also can't forget that the ammunition effect adds 20 potency to your WS'.

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You're right I did forget a bit of the math and got potency per GCD (or 2.5 seconds--which is also average potency of the three because I was only doing three attacks) and ignored the base ammo effect.

In my defense I just woke up and had to get up to take care of something (namely my sister's kid was crying and she was trying to get a ravana normal clear while leveling). All the same, thanks for pointing it out so I could fix it (which I've done now). The end result of it being better to use alongside reload when possible is the same, however (a 20% increase in damage done over a period of time will obviously be a greater increase over all if the damage done during that time is heavier).

Testing on the stream Gauss is a waste of time the 30% increase is less then the auto attack procs.

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Originally Posted by DarkRain

Testing on the stream Gauss is a waste of time the 30% increase is less then the auto attack procs.

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Are you including the DPS increase of being able to use ricochet and gauss round? Without those two abilities it SHOULD be ~the same DPS (auto attacks add up to 20-25% of dps, with a 30% increase you end up with around 97%-104% of your non-gauss damage without including them, which is to say Gauss is likely a wash by itself).

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Are you including the DPS increase of being able to use ricochet and gauss round? Without those two abilities it SHOULD be ~the same DPS (auto attacks add up to 20-25% of dps, with a 30% increase you end up with around 97%-104% of your non-gauss damage without including them, which is to say Gauss is likely a wash by itself).

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More or less using Gauss just to use a 180 pot skill every 20 seconds and ric. Is not worth the trouble . And yes the 30% damage is a wash when you considered the auto attacks it equals the same damage perspective. Gauss is a lie

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Originally Posted by DarkRain

More or less using Gauss just to use a 180 pot skill every 20 seconds and ric. Is not worth the trouble . And yes the 30% damage is a wash when you considered the auto attacks it equals the same damage perspective. Gauss is a lie

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They changed it to instant cast, which makes it less of a hassle, though?

I haven't run numbers and am not going to now (gotta head out for work), but I think it'd be a DPS increase to pop into GB to ricochet + gauss round and possibly some other stuff (snap casting dots, for instance), preferably with B4B/Raging Strikes up as well, and then shutting it off after, and turning it back on when it's time to do that again.

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Originally Posted by Krylo

They changed it to instant cast, which makes it less of a hassle, though?

I haven't run numbers and am not going to now (gotta head out for work), but I think it'd be a DPS increase to pop into GB to ricochet + gauss round and possibly some other stuff (snap casting dots, for instance), preferably with B4B/Raging Strikes up as well, and then shutting it off after, and turning it back on when it's time to do that again.

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That was my original thought but im working it out more and more . I am finding Gauss shot and barrel should be used when you are going to pop rapid fire . So you can get the instant 1 2 3 GS Ric combo . Turn Gauss off keep DPSing use all CDs for wildfire but keep Gauss off until that burst rotation is done then back to Rapid Fire rotation . Testing this way out now