Is Perpetual Ray classified as magic damage?

Just needed a clarification. My recent experience in A4 with the tank buster seems like WARs are having a hard time dealing with it, PLDs are somewhere in the middle and I'm seeing DRKs having the easiest time getting through Phase 3. Reddit posts says it's magic damage, which would explain why DRKs have it the easiest due to their 60s CD magic reduction buffable by DA. I main a PLD and I tend to have trouble with the third perp ray. Can anyone with more experience confirm?

It's magic.

You aren't meant to solo tank it anyways. At least not the last ones. It is very clear Savage is going to require a Tank-swap midway.

Also you kind of have it backwards. WAR can deal with it best without blowing your "Dont kill me" CD (Holm/Hallow/Living), followed by DRK then PLD.

Regardless, on my team we don't take any chances. I take the first Two on my WAR while I still have IB+Thrillvalescence and IB+Vengeance, and my Co-tank (DRK) takes it for the third. I suppose a PLD can work Hallowed into the third without issues tho, making it "Best" if you want a single tank dealing with them (And assuming you don't get more than 3).

Really Kyros?
We solo Tank him and me as WHM can easy solo heal the PLD the hole fight even all tank busters incoming. Only thing what PLD pop is 40% Sentinal if he dont forget it. Also Hallow Ground he use for catching bubbles not for tank buster. Its simple normal mode... oO

i just heal it with adlos, its not a problem on any tank in my experience.
You can start the last phase with full healer mana, no excuses.

What are your PLD CD rotations on phase 3? I usually use Rampart+Convalescence on the 1st, Sentinel on the 2nd, HG on the third and pray it's dead before the 4th.

No CD on the first one, rampart on the second, sentinel on the third, convalescence on the fourth (shouldn't happen).

You shouldn't have any problem eating the mechanic as a PLD (it doesn't deal much in normal mode).

I ran this in DF with a pair of WARs in STR accessories, and neither had VIT accs to switch to. We had a tank swap, alright, after every Perpetual Ray...

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

What are your PLD CD rotations on phase 3? I usually use Rampart+Convalescence on the 1st, Sentinel on the 2nd, HG on the third and pray it's dead before the 4th.

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Don't really need a CD on the first because thing usually are still very clam at that time. Then it's Rampart+Stoneskin, then Sentinel+Stoneskin, then HG, then Stoneskin and try to time a Clemency to land between the hits and pray that it doesn't get interrupted. :3

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I ran this in DF with a pair of WARs in STR accessories, and neither had VIT accs to switch to. We had a tank swap, alright, after every Perpetual Ray...

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Oh I so know those types. "If you're wearing VIT you're doing it wrong. LOL it's only normal mode, if you can't heal through normal mode you should L2P."

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Originally Posted by Zfz

Oh I so know those types. "If you're wearing VIT you're doing it wrong. LOL it's only normal mode, if you can't heal through normal mode you should L2P."

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And yet the run gets done (faster), with no issues and you're carried by the tanks cause the dps were only doing 500 dps, but you stay salty and your feelings about how "tanks only tank" dont let you see the fact you just had one of your best runs.

Yep I've seen your type too.

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Originally Posted by dank1

And yet the run gets done (faster), with no issues and you're carried by the tanks cause the dps were only doing 500 dps, but you stay salty and your feelings about how "tanks only tank" dont let you see the fact you just had one of your best runs.

Yep I've seen your type too.

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Well there is truth in what he says, if you have to tank swap in A4 normal then your tanks will have a lot of issues in savage. Also you shouldn't have to rely on tank DPS in A4 (it is very easy to kill in full ilvl 170 and you overgear the floor at i180, and it drops I190).

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Originally Posted by Kyros

You aren't meant to solo tank it anyways. At least not the last ones. It is very clear Savage is going to require a Tank-swap midway.

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This is sort of true, in that tank swapping is the best way to mitigate Perpetual Ray. I wrote up a CD rotation for DRK/WAR (can be mimicked with PLD/WAR) a bit ago that mitigates up to 6 sets:

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1.) Shadowskin + Shadow Wall + Dark Mind + Conv
2.) Holmgang + Veng + Thrill + Conv + IB
3.) Living Dead + Conv
4.) Vengeance + Thrill + Conv + IB
5.) Shadowskin + Shadow Wall + Dark Mind + Conv
6.) Holmgang + Vengeance + Thrill + Conv + IB

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NM you can pretty much solo tank him (as Realchucky said) due to the fact that you'll only see 2~3 Rays and the damage won't be that high. In Savage I'd recommend using the tank swap method to make the hits a lot easier to deal with.

e: Also I'm a full STR WAR, have had no problems with Perpetual Ray (or any of the damage) in NM. I think the fault doesn't lie in the accessories... ;V

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

This is sort of true, in that tank swapping is the best way to mitigate Perpetual Ray. I wrote up a CD rotation for DRK/WAR (can be mimicked with PLD/WAR) a bit ago that mitigates up to 6 sets:



NM you can pretty much solo tank him (as Realchucky said) due to the fact that you'll only see 2~3 Rays and the damage won't be that high. In Savage I'd recommend using the tank swap method to make the hits a lot easier to deal with.

e: Also I'm a full STR WAR, have had no problems with Perpetual Ray (or any of the damage) in NM. I think the fault doesn't lie in the accessories... ;V

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Just solo tank him with a DRK

1) DA Dark Mind + Shadowskin
2) DA Dark Mind + Shadow Wall
3) DA Dark Mind + Shadowskin

Enjoy 50% to 60% reduction on every tank buster.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

e: Also I'm a full STR WAR, have had no problems with Perpetual Ray (or any of the damage) in NM. I think the fault doesn't lie in the accessories... ;V

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WAR's tank stance increases HP pool instead of defense, so a WAR with the same amount of HP as a PLD in VIT gear is 20% squishier, in addition to the lack of defensive cooldowns. It can be healed through, but you're basically asking other people (especially the healers, in a fight where they have much more to worry about than just you) to cover for your own inability to fulfill the primary duty of a tank, which is to take hits other Jobs can't.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Well there is truth in what he says, if you have to tank swap in A4 normal then your tanks will have a lot of issues in savage. Also you shouldn't have to rely on tank DPS in A4 (it is very easy to kill in full ilvl 170 and you overgear the floor at i180, and it drops I190).

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I was taking a jab at how they couldn't survive a single Perpetual Ray. The tank swap happened when the other "tank" was tanking the floor. And I personally vouch for the skill of the healers, and even they couldn't keep them up.

For PLD

First, rampart + foresight
Second, sentinel + convalescence
Third, hallowed ground
Fourth, if it gets this far, gg or tank swap.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

WAR's tank stance increases HP pool instead of defense, so a WAR with the same amount of HP as a PLD in VIT gear is 20% squishier, in addition to the lack of defensive cooldowns. It can be healed through, but you're basically asking other people (especially the healers, in a fight where they have much more to worry about than just you) to cover for your own inability to fulfill the primary duty of a tank, which is to take hits other Jobs can't.

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Lack... of... defensive... what?

IB for every Perpetual Ray + either Vengeance or Thrill + Conv, Equilibrium for every Perpetual Ray, Second Wind for every other Perpetual Ray, IB for soaking balls... you can even double IB for every Perpetual Ray if you want. A PLD should be tanking this fight in full STR too... the hardest hitting things should be mitigated and regardless of how much HP you have, you'll be taking the same amount of damage...

Hybrid gear for DF because people are terrible at this game. Str gear when running with your friends because they aren't dumb. Vit gear when I want to impress myself cuz war hp is cray.

EZPZ.

I died in str gear too. Then I learned when the stupid attack happens to pop CDs for it. Haven't died to it since. If your tanks die it's because they don't know when to pop CDs, or heals can't keep up

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Originally Posted by Izsha

I died in str gear too. Then I learned when the stupid attack happens to pop CDs for it. Haven't died to it since. If your tanks die it's because they don't know when to pop CDs, or heals can't keep up

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The problem, especially in DF, is that most WAR players I've seen simply skip to that last assumption without considering their own role, and thus never get any better. I have no doubt that skilled WAR players can pull it off, but most, unfortunately, aren't that good and simply think their job is to DPS.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Well there is truth in what he says, if you have to tank swap in A4 normal then your tanks will have a lot of issues in savage. Also you shouldn't have to rely on tank DPS in A4 (it is very easy to kill in full ilvl 170 and you overgear the floor at i180, and it drops I190).

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I was speaking generally, but yeah in A4 specifically I solo tank the last phase and wear full vit because I KNOW theres a chance I may die due to a huge range of circumstances that may happen during that.

What really gets me going though is when I know a fight inside and out and can easily do it in str jewels and sometimes even w/o tank stance but the healer is on its high horse spewing ignorant non sense and not wanting a faster kill

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Originally Posted by dank1

And yet the run gets done (faster), with no issues and you're carried by the tanks cause the dps were only doing 500 dps, but you stay salty and your feelings about how "tanks only tank" dont let you see the fact you just had one of your best runs.

Yep I've seen your type too.

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Don't be so salty. You didn't catch the sarcasm in his post? "We had a tank swap, alright, after every Perpetual Ray..."

Get it? The tanks die so the other had to take over, a tank swap. Get it? Now go calm down and think over what wearing less defensive stats mean. You are getting carried by the healer. All you're doing is, in the name of a faster kill, offload more responsibility on the healers.

In a static that's perfectly fine. But don't do it in the DF and expect every healer to be happy.

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Originally Posted by Realchucky

Really Kyros?
We solo Tank him and me as WHM can easy solo heal the PLD the hole fight even all tank busters incoming. Only thing what PLD pop is 40% Sentinal if he dont forget it. Also Hallow Ground he use for catching bubbles not for tank buster. Its simple normal mode... oO

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My brain hurts reading this... why would you pop Hallow to catch bubbles? That's a total waste. You can control how much bubble damage you take trough pacing. You can even clemency trough bubbles. Don't waste HG on them, jeez. Use it for the third PR if you are using a PLD.

And my comment about tank swap is in preparation of Savage. It was a no-brainer if you've experienced Bahamut's Claw before. Right now we don't even get to the third PR, but if we do we swap simply because my Co-tank's CD's are all up and being wasted if we don't.