Monk: Forbidden Chakra

Subtle wish to change how Forbidden Chakra functions in and out of combat.

Outside of Combat: Please allow Forbidden Chakra instant V stack.

Inside of Combat: Remain current I>II>III>IV>V stack mechanic.

Example benefit from change: When doing content solo, I can have Forbidden Chakra ready to use during fights with weaker enemies. This shouldn't be overpowering considering anything that would die instantly to Forbidden Chakra would easily die without having it ready to use in the first place.

For the sake of not getting more wrist issues and continuing to enjoy the Monk job!

+1 meditation outside of combat should give instant 5 stack......it get so fking annoying to spam meditation between each fight AND switch form. in combat it should remain the same but outside.....plz give us instant 5 stack

Mashing 8 skills out of combat between pulls is not what I would consider fun or engaging. It's not even challenging it's just tiring and tedious.

If they allowed Meditation out of combat to give you 5 stacks it would at least reduce that amount of skills that need to be pressed down to 4 between pulls which would be a very welcoming change.

This would be a great quality of life improvement for monks!! Really hope some change like this happends!

Completely agree. It wouldn't unbalance things since we already gather 5 chakra stacks before each encounter, it would just make things easier for our fingers.

They already addressed this in the Liver letter though.

Q18. It's hard to stack up Meditation while moving around inside the dungeon. Do you have plans to add an action where we can stack up to the maximum amount at once?

A18. While developing, we did consider making it possible to stack up to 5 while not in combat; however, doing this made it where they were able to output strong damage every time for individual fights, therefore, we currently have no plans for this.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

They already addressed this in the Liver letter though.

Q18. It's hard to stack up Meditation while moving around inside the dungeon. Do you have plans to add an action where we can stack up to the maximum amount at once?

A18. While developing, we did consider making it possible to stack up to 5 while not in combat; however, doing this made it where they were able to output strong damage every time for individual fights, therefore, we currently have no plans for this.

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SE logic is so broken, do we not ALREADY stack it before every pull..... this would just allow us to do what we already was gonna do but minus crapal tunnel after each pack....

Their point is that if you were in a dungeon and the tank pulled, say, 3 mobs, you could 5 stack chakra, single target down the mob, then 5 stack again since you'd be "out of combat" due to only attacking one mob.

Meh guess we wouldnt want to be SMN type OP on trash....

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

Their point is that if you were in a dungeon and the tank pulled, say, 3 mobs, you could 5 stack chakra, single target down the mob, then 5 stack again since you'd be "out of combat" due to only attacking one mob.

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Thats not how combat works though, if one single party member is engaged in battle and you are in the same area you are incombat, no matter what.
If that wouldn't be the case Healers that don't dps would have an insane amout of Mana reg because they are not in combat.

One way I would have liked SE to have done Forbidden Chakra is make it use-able without Chakra stacks but it will have a lower potency and with a 30 second recast timer. And then give it an additional effect where you can charge up Chakra stacks with meditation and if you have 5 stacks your Forbidden Chakra does a high potency attack at the cost of 5 chakras. So it's simila to DRG's power surge ability.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Thats not how combat works though, if one single party member is engaged in battle and you are in the same area you are incombat, no matter what.
If that wouldn't be the case Healers that don't dps would have an insane amout of Mana reg because they are not in combat.

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Healing is different. Healing draws agro from your healed target's enmity table.

I main healer, and my MP continues to regen like out of combat even if the tank pulls, as long as I don't cast a Cure or regen or something.

I also play Astro. I can't use Spread unless I'm in combat and unless I cast Cure in the tank after pull, I can't use it (or if I attack myself).

On my Ninja I can kill one target in a pull and assuming I don't AOE, can use Hide once my target is dead

The only exception is in boss rooms, where everyone is immediately added to the enmity table

Why not lower the potency on the skill and allow chakra stacks to generate maybe ever 1.5 - 2 secs. Once we get 5 we can use FC then it goes on CD while we stack more Chakra. Just make or TP move something like 1 min CD or 1:30 CD?

It's fine people, it's meant for those moments where you need to burn something fast. Every situational skill does NOT need to be buffed, else we'd have to truly buff One-Ilm Punch, since it's the worst skill we have.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It's fine people, it's meant for those moments where you need to burn something fast. Every situational skill does NOT need to be buffed, else we'd have to truly buff One-Ilm Punch, since it's the worst skill we have.

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It is not the worst skill... Each ability has it's uses. Could they be tweaked to be more effective? Yes.
As a pvp'er I use this ability all the time. it's fantastic. Sadly monks do not perform well in pvp compared to the rest which is where I am concerned. I really hope the new pvp areas and game types make monks more useful. FB and TK will definetly be a deserved boosted burst mode we desperately need.

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Originally Posted by Daega

It is not the worst skill... Each ability has it's uses. Could they be tweaked to be more effective? Yes.

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My problem with it is that in a dungeon setting, you see a buff gained that you THINK you can remove, try it...and it fails. This happens 90% of the time, so the move reached the point where it's been permanently dropped from my hotbars.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

My problem with it is that in a dungeon setting, you see a buff gained that you THINK you can remove, try it...and it fails. This happens 90% of the time, so the move reached the point where it's been permanently dropped from my hotbars.

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No I certainly do not use it in my main hotbar. I use a completely different hotbar for pvp which has it on it. I see and understand your frustration for dungeons, but that's one of the least pointed out skills I would like adjust for monk. Fist of Wind and possible FC tweak to make more effective. (Of which I can completely use just fine without, it would just be really really really nice)

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

They already addressed this in the Liver letter though.

Q18. It's hard to stack up Meditation while moving around inside the dungeon. Do you have plans to add an action where we can stack up to the maximum amount at once?

A18. While developing, we did consider making it possible to stack up to 5 while not in combat; however, doing this made it where they were able to output strong damage every time for individual fights, therefore, we currently have no plans for this.

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I think the developers are skilled enough to figure out a way to make it so that if Meditation is used near enemies in a dungeon they would be put on the enmity table and not be allowed to use it per monster.
It should be like Stoneskin II minus the fact I know applying buffs to party members is a different story.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

Their point is that if you were in a dungeon and the tank pulled, say, 3 mobs, you could 5 stack chakra, single target down the mob, then 5 stack again since you'd be "out of combat" due to only attacking one mob.

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1. That's not how it works
2. You just lost 440+360 potency by not using EF and HF on 3 targets to be able to use a 320 potency hit once or twice, meaning the whole idea is stupid


Considering we start fights without 15% aspd and 27% dmg I don't see how we would ever be strong.

4 years later, we got it boys and girls!

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Originally Posted by MajisTek

4 years later, we got it boys and girls!

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Yeah, now I need another 4 years to learn to NOT spam Meditate pre-pulls. Old habits die hard.