Been enjoying drk. Its like pld, but with all the tricks that seemed superfluous now a core part of play. But I have some questions about it at level 37.
Right now I've been keeping Darkside and grit up all the time since finding I'm less squishy with them on. This keeps blood weapon disabled. In what situations other than not tanking can taking off grit for blood weapon work? Is there a similar situation for Darkside?
DRK question: when to blood weapon?
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07-13-2015, 10:53 PMKalleraDRK question: when to blood weapon?
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07-13-2015, 11:02 PMJahaudant
Not sure what you are asking for here. I'm sure you understand dropping Grit and using Blood Weapon is sacrificing defence for offence, it's up to you to determine if it's a good idea to do so based on the mob you're tanking and the ability of your healers. It's utterly dependent on your own circumstances.
As for Darkside keep it up 100% of the time you are engaged. Only drop it if you don't expect to be attacking anything for at least 6 seconds. -
07-14-2015, 12:30 AMSyfer22
There are several times to use Blood Weapon. If you're main tanking, I'll use it if I'm running out of MP and there's 1-2 mobs left for a quick refresh. You can also pop Shadowskin right before dropping grit -- You're putting an active 20% mitigation buff and dropping a passive 20% mitigation buff, so you can use the 20 seconds to Blood Weapon too.
In raid situations, if you're the off-tank you can (and should) use Blood Weapon whenever you're planning on going balls out DPS. -
07-14-2015, 12:37 AMNintenPyjak64
I'd say it depends on how much you trust your healer. As my DRK in brayflox normal, after 2 power slash combos in Grit and Darkside, if my healer is an FC member I'll drop Grit and start juggling my power slash combo with siphon strike and keeping blood weapon on cooldown. If adds pop during the fight I'll turn Grit back on just for those. If it's a pug healer I'll never drop Grit and thus never Blood weapon, just to be on the safe side
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07-14-2015, 12:47 AMrawker
Short answer, you pop that when you OT. Since you mentioned that it's like PLD, then you have some sort of mana management going on since Flash needs mana to activate and unlike DRKs, PLDs only have Sheltron and Riot Boade to regain mana. Although from my experience as a level 41 DRK, i sometimes rotate their riot blade counterpart more esp when i have a big threat lead. I just don't want my mana to dip below 50% and then keep that mana regen per hit received constantly on cooldown. That's my exp so far. Need to learn them more. Also, i dont drop grit for my and healer's sake.
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07-14-2015, 01:28 AMXenosan
It depends on the fight. Whenever there's phases of no-incoming damage & there are adds to attack, you can drop Grit for the extra MP replenishment of Blood Weapon & increased DPS.
The final boss in Neverreap, can almost do that boss entirely without Grit, due to the boss constantly switching to his race car mode. Same with the boss before him - who spends like half the fight doing long cast-time mechanics. Research Facility first boss, when the turrent adds spawn, another phase where dropping Grit for BW is fine because the boss is doing dodge-able AoE.
Pretty much just whenever incoming damage is reduced due to mechanics and burn phases etc you could sub out grit for BW.
And in similar situations - except instead where you have nothing to attack - drop Darkside instead, that way you're not bleeding MP for nothing. (Ifrit race car phase, divebombs, etc)
Not sure if that answers your question specifically - but this is pretty much the priority set I consider for dropping Grit, Darkside, etc -
07-14-2015, 01:49 AMOPneedNerfs
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01-05-2017, 05:04 AMShadowLilly
It's kind an old topic but here we go. In lvl 35+ dungeons your dark knight have Blood Price and Syphon Strike Combo to recover mp and it's your best friend.
Blood Weapon is useful for Off tank or go in dungeons below lvl 35 and its also good carry some Hi-Ether and Hi-elixir to recover a bit of mp, in case you need.
I never use blood weapon as main tank and never have mp issues on dark knight to keep darkside up and spam unleash. Even when the fight take so long due bad dps and my drk lose the effect of darkside i keep using Syphon Strike Combo and Blood Price if its ready to use, it's enough to recover a great amount of mp and turn on darkside again.
I've seem lots of garbage drk dropping grit to use Blood Weapon, they lose the aggro for dps and healer and things get worse. -
01-05-2017, 05:51 AMTsubaki75Blood Weapon is part of your tool kit for a reason, so you can get a solid aggro lead, drop grit, and use your dark arts abilities to their fullest. When the dps/ healer starts to gain on aggro put grit back on. dropping grit doesn't make you a garbage tank, and no tank should waste their potion cd on mp regen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowLilly
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01-07-2017, 07:50 AMIlanTell that to DRK's maintanking savage without grit and with blood weapon. It is not for OT only and if the drk, healer and the dps can play he will never lose hate. Remember, its not always the tanks fault if he loses hate!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowLilly
If you end up in a low level dungeon where you can use grit, use it no matter what. -
01-07-2017, 09:54 AMSeku
Should use it when you got hate, you understand your Cool downs (Most Drk's don't.), there are 3 mobs or less (or about to be) as single target DPS starts to edge out over AoE. Any boss if your healer isn't trash and you understand the Cool down rotation for the fight, as you shouldn't be tanking with grit up once you've got a solid hate lead.
The above is assuming your armor is up to date along with your healer's. If either is behind, I'd test the waters first to make sure you won't go face planting into the ground. -
01-07-2017, 01:48 PMMoarLegion
On cooldown, when there aren't enough things to kill you, and you have cooldowns available to keep damage consistent.
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01-08-2017, 03:37 PMShadowLillyDepend the situation, if you go for big pulls, for example, on lvl 50 you must keep grit up for less dmg while the dps do their job after they kill some mobs drop grit, use Blood Weapon to recover MP, activate Dark Arts and Soul Eater Combo. Some friends in LS told me that, tried out and worked well. I usually go for the safe way when i PUG in DF and keep grit up when i go tank my dailies, just to take less dmg and let the healers have fun dpsing, but now if the healer is good ill start drop grit and dps after make sure i have a solid aggro. Anyways i started enjoy Drk a few months ago and topics like this are very useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
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01-08-2017, 03:42 PMShadowLillyDrk, Pld or War can't maintain aggro if they pull and forget use Unleash, Flash and Overpower. This week i got a Drk(with strenght acc :x) in Keeper of the Lake and he did big pulls with Unmend, drop grit..Blood Weapon+Dark Arts, Soul Eater and forgot use Unleash to generate hate on mobs, he only used it after lose aggro. Lost aggro for Ast, Ninja and me Blm. In boss fights things got worse...Unmend, drop grit, Blood Weapon+Dark Arts, Soul Eater and again lost aggro for healer and dps even my blm having Quelling Strikes up, he kept losing aggro for me. He also rarely used Drk defensive cooldowns. In final boss we died twice and i asked him to keep grit up due his aggro and mp issues and he got all butthurt. He left, we got another Drk and he only dropped grit to dps, after take solid aggro on boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seku
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01-08-2017, 08:10 PMIlanOf cause you don't drop grit during big pulls because of the damage that you'll take and because it makes your life easier keeping hate, you don't even drop grit on level 60 at the beginning of a pull. I was refering to bosses because that is what savage is about. You say let the healer have fun dpsing, but a bad healer will never start dpsing and if he does, you'll die even with tank stance up because he gets carried away or missreads the whole situation. In general you should only drop your tank stance if you know what you are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowLilly
Your example from keeper of the lake was by the way one of the lolDRK who doesn't know how to play at all. You can't take this as an example for keeping grit up. ;) -
01-08-2017, 08:26 PMSarcaticaHeck, DRK is so much fun on big pulls. Infinite mana, a lot of HP leech from DA>Abyssal Drain, even without Grit prepull you are quite fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
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Some healers are annoying as heck tho, so I normally still do aoe so I don't have to worry about healer aggroing. And there is that WHM holy-ing every single opener, rip mana. -
01-08-2017, 08:28 PMAwfulThat Drk sounded like he didn't know how to play his class with Quelling Strikes is pretty bad...Usually for me I do drop Grit on big AoE pulls at 60, 1 because i'm heavily overgeared and 2 I play smart. Usually what I do is Unleash, DA+ DP, DA+ DD, drop grit and spam Abyssal Drain with Blood weapon up while DoTing and having Salted Earth up Abyssal Drain usually crit heals me for around 1500 which is enough for the healer to DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowLilly
As for low level pulls in the 30s-49 I do the same minus Abyssal Drain for obvious reasons but they're a bit trickier to live through especially if your healer isn't ready for it but Brayflox is so Drk friendly it's insane just do 1-2 Unleashs and drop grit it's like healing a paladin in SwO basically. Them getting their tank stance at 30 helps a ton so take advantage of Blood Weapon when you can and get into the habit of it while you're doing low level dungeons or 50 dungeons. -
01-09-2017, 01:30 AMShadowLillyAgreed, living dead won't save Drk if the healer take naps. It's rare find bad healers and tanks than bad dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
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01-09-2017, 01:34 AMShadowLillyhell yeah, i love use DA+Dark Dance+Abyssal Drain with Blood Price up, infinite mana and full HP leech. it's so op xD.Quote:
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01-09-2017, 03:00 AMXenosanDP is a priority. AD spam is lovely with BP, but you want to balance that use with keeping DP on cooldown, DAing it for groups. Don't have the MP? Too much DAAD, or poor timed BP, wasted Unleash proc, forgotten SS use.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowLilly
What I notice about other DRK in dungeon is fundamental positioning. With DP, DRK can get a little jiggle-happy, and DPS/Healers appreciate a tank that isn't zig-zagging all over the board to line up DP. So balancing that is a Q-Q I've got when watching other DRKs. -
01-09-2017, 11:18 PMrandysquirrel
The general idea is that you pull in grit, establish enough of an aggro lead, then drop it when safe to do so, and push more dps
it only works if you're in a group of people that know what they're doing tho, eg healers knowing when dmg is coming and mitigating, you using your cds appropriately, dps using aggro reducing abilities when they should, etc. And you rarely/never get that in df
other times you might need to use grit as an extra cd, or if you're close to losing aggro. drop grit obv if there is a tankswap and you become the ot