I'm guessing the next wave of dungeons/primals/new-ct will require iL185....so if you've been sol on Alexander drops you'll be stuck running Alexander floors again, and again (more so than you might be now) and again.
Whelp...Alexander is going to kick us all in the nuts
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07-13-2015, 11:22 AMwillowmyerWhelp...Alexander is going to kick us all in the nuts
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07-13-2015, 11:25 AMPetiteMalFleur
There won't be an item level requirement for savage. The new 24 man will probably be as lenient as the ARR raids requiring i142. New ex-Primals will probably require more but I'd be surprised if it's more than you can get with upgraded law.
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07-13-2015, 11:26 AMUMiahNaweh
Savage won't have an ilvl requirement because it won't be accessed from the duty finder.
Also there is no reason to believe those other duties will require such high item level to enter. Dungeons certainly won't, they'll be super low. Primals and new 24-man probably more like i170 or less -
07-13-2015, 11:28 AMMalevicton
Knowing how SE tunes dungeons, the ilvl requirement for the new ones will probably be like i60
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07-13-2015, 11:29 AMPArcherBut good luck getting past the first boss in less than full i180 gear and with people who know how to play their jobs correctly...Quote:
Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur
Savage isn't going to be in the DF. Full party or nothing. And expect it to only be really cleared by the best until a lot of people are in a mix of Alex Story gear and AF2 -
07-13-2015, 11:37 AMDualbladeIf its atleast as hard as FCoB, don't expect many to clear it till its well overgeared beyond that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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07-13-2015, 11:39 AMGilraenOr Blue Garter melds out the next set of crafted for 8~ of it's members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualblade
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07-13-2015, 11:42 AMDualbladeI don't know who all the real good FC/Groups are out there, but if that one is one of the good ones they'll be one of the ones to do so before severe overgearing I assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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07-13-2015, 11:43 AMAyuhra
Well Alex has been nice to me but I spent one of accessory tokens on a healing bracelet by accident. So now I have a useless bracelet and am wishing like nothing that this game had the hour long window for refunds that WoW has. I have zero interest in healing.
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07-13-2015, 11:47 AMChihayaWell... wasn't FCoB cleared within the first week it came out, and proven to be beatable in i110 overmeld gears lawlzQuote:
Originally Posted by Dualblade
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07-13-2015, 11:48 AMGilraenUh... Blue Garter are only the ones who beat Final Coil in it's first week in all crafted armor. Overmelded, but it was all crafted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualblade
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07-13-2015, 11:55 AMDualbladeSo they'll probably beat it quickly here too then, overmelded gear or not (and first week or not.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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07-13-2015, 12:07 PMKaedan94
If you're having bad luck on rolls in the DF, then use PF, shout about, or find a static.
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07-13-2015, 12:17 PMMusashidon
not really, while hard made alex will probably be that way, but when alex hard mode comes out the new tomes come out with better gear then we currently have with the estorics tomes.
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07-13-2015, 12:24 PMSpookyGhost
First few floor will probably be tuned low, i170-ish (not like NM where i170 is overgearing it), and then get higher and higher from there. Mainly depends on the DPS checks and how tightly it's tuned.
24man raid will be low, like i160 or something. Easier than Alex NM or about the same.
Primals will probably be i170-ish if we get them in 3.1.
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07-13-2015, 12:36 PMSove92No they did't, only Lucrezia and Collision beat it the first week, BG had world 4th, after DnT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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07-13-2015, 12:41 PMGarlyleThis. Blue Garter did world first Twintania I believe though, and possible Nael as well. But Lucrezia were world first in Final Coil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sove92
That said, I don't expect them to one-week this. They've described Alexander Savage as "harder than a theoretical Final Coil (Savage)". If this holds true I fully expect groups to barely be able to clear one or two floors in the first week simply due to the lack of relevant gear.
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07-13-2015, 01:18 PMGilraenYou are absolutely right. Heh, used to Blue Garter being in the limelight that I kind of glossed over who did what. Still was an impressive feat using gear that would later be deemed by Square to be below the iL requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sove92
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07-13-2015, 01:26 PMPArcherI'm pretty sure their left-side gear didn't make a ton of difference, crafted or no. At least not compared to their accessories, which made a world of difference. Heck, leveling my tanks I use my old melded i110 set (DF healers make me cry sometimes) even in the Library. Can't use it after 60 due to the ilv requirement (though really...full STR or maybe 1 or 2 VIT accessories if you have a bad healer is fine in the 60 dungeons, so...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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07-13-2015, 01:28 PMKogasan
Where did it say Alex hard won't be in DF? It's just like those who said Alex story would be full party and you couldn't que solo for it. I won't believe that Alex hard won't be in DF till I see proof especially after I was told about Alex story being required full party and not solo.
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07-13-2015, 01:36 PMPArcherAlex normal in the DF could be seen because it was meant to be easy and for everyone. Story-mode, because people want to get the story but not put the effort into the fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogasan
Savage? Its the RAID. Much harder than the Ex Primals (who also aren't in the DF), and not meant for anyone but the hardcore raiders for at least a few months. You'll se PFs for it, but overall, its only going to be the top clearing it with regularity until people have a lot of AlexStory and Esoterics gear to overgear the content with (another month after it opens at least) -
07-13-2015, 01:40 PMNghthawkAlex Savage won't DF until the next set comes out if it follows the 2.0 path with every 6 months get an extension. If by chance the do add it there be prepared for the incoming rage quits on trash mobs as trying to tackle harder content through DF just isnt viable, hell it isn't even when they are nerfed to the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogasan
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07-13-2015, 01:44 PMKogasan
But they are in the DF. Look under heavensward trails only thing you need is a full party to do it. I believe just like coil they will eventually make it so people can que solo for it just not at the beginning. So to say its not in DF that's totally wrong.
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07-13-2015, 01:55 PMDualbladeWhen people say it won't be in DF they mean you won't be able to go into it solo to search for a party that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogasan
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07-13-2015, 02:30 PMKogasan
But I still think like coil they will at some point make it so that you can que for it solo.
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07-13-2015, 03:01 PMhagareit will happen. just not on the day it comes out.Quote:
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07-13-2015, 04:02 PMSashaJust throw it away and put in a call for help to get a replacement. With tomestone gear in 2.x, you just had to throw it away and ask for a new item and ask. However if you used that item on the right job then you would just get the item back. You only got a new item if it was a genuine mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayuhra
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07-13-2015, 04:40 PMSapphicCoil was Echod and nerfed to allow more people through to see the story, will there be a need to echo and nerf it seeing as we are getting easy versions of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by hagare
Also, Yoshi wasn't happy that smoe where able to bypass the gearing path to clear FCoB so quickly, so Don't expect crafted gear to be as viable for Alex savage. Logical way would to make it that it is impossible to craft gear with enough accuracy to do Savage Alex. Pototype has a lot of accuracy, which may be required. -
07-13-2015, 07:09 PMShaneDawnWasn't Lucrezia the first one to beat it? Only took them 5 days I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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07-13-2015, 07:32 PMBalipu
I doubt dungeons will require alexander gear. At least not untill a few more patches. But since you mentioned, let's talk about item level. This is one things Yoshie and co messed up with Alex.
No it's not about 170 being way too big. On the contrary.
Let's look at Coil item levels
Turn1 70
Turn2 73
Turn3 70
Turn4 77
Turn5 82
Now let's see the Ali G item levels
Floor1 170
Floor2 170
Floor3 170
Floor4 170
See the problem? I was able to get into floor 4 with the exact same gear I used to clear floor 1. The minimum of floor 1. I shouldn't have been allowed to do this. There are dps AND healer checks in the fights. People shouldn't be able to que into all four turns with the same minimum gear. -
07-13-2015, 07:51 PMSylveExcept the entire point of Alex normal mode is to let as many people see it as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
Alex Normal = Story.
Alex Savage = OMGWTFITBURRRRRRRRRRRNS raiding.
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07-13-2015, 07:51 PMKarstenSNo. I see not the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
I've cleared all 4 floor in i170. My co healer too.
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07-13-2015, 09:49 PMDagr81Simple put Alexandra test the players skill not their gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
Same thing for Bismarck, but I think that one should have a minimum ilvl stated -
07-13-2015, 11:09 PMAyuhraI don't have a healer class over lvl 5 but I've heard these restores can only be done once per account (?). I'd rather not use it on a bracelet when I am juuuust dumb enough to get a wrong robe someday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasha
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07-13-2015, 11:23 PMKydiNope. FFXIV is a bit odd (in my opinion) that each boss within a raid is a separate instance, as opposed to one instance with multiple bosses. Makes sense to me that all bosses released at the same time share the same gear requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
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07-13-2015, 11:26 PMDererkfrom what I understood you'd need Alexander normal mode gear to have a chance at getting clears in savage and that crafted gear will be worthles in the new raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
Are you insane no one in their right mind would qu savage in DF 2nd Coil is still premade required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogasan
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07-13-2015, 11:30 PMKiara1
It would be weird if new dungeons require us to be higher than ilvl 180. That would mean we are either forced to do hunts (which I truly hate) orpray to the rng gods.
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07-13-2015, 11:30 PMKiara1
Ilvl 170*
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