As someone who has run, in total, 12 floors of Alexander...

...and gotten not a SINGLE loot token...

All Random loot, where everyone's lotting on the items, and with only 2 items per run to go around, freaking sucks.

Join a farming party. They usually wait till everybody gets loot before disbanding. Unless you're after specific items.

Compared to Coil where you could run 100 turns and potentially never see anything drop that your job can use, the loot system in Alexander is MUCH better.

Most of the moaning over the new loot system simply stems from the fact that people are seeing their failed rolls and getting disheartened by it. Every time you ran Coil you were rolling against the server to see if something you could use would drop, it was just hidden and thus players didn't moan about it. Your odds of acquiring loot in Alexander are considerably higher than they were in coil.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

Join a farming party. They usually wait till everybody gets loot before disbanding. Unless you're after specific items.

---

Guess the grass really is greener on Balmung. Most farms I've ever been in on Gilgamesh clear once and disband because you scrubs aren't good enough. The others were one-shot groups where people almost always bail after getting loot and then we cant one-shot anymore.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

Guess the grass really is greener on Balmung. Most farms I've ever been in on Gilgamesh clear once and disband because you scrubs aren't good enough. The others were one-shot groups where people almost always bail after getting loot and then we cant one-shot anymore.

---

Most of the time on Balmung, people make a disclaimer that if you bail after getting your loot, you will be blacklisted. Not sure if people really care about that sort of thing anymore, but it does hurt your ability to join further groups for any other content.

Spend all that effort but cant bother to grab friends and do alex farms.
Well u can always buy loot runs lol

For what it's worth, the live letter did mention that people are finding the loot wars crappy, and will look into increasing the amount of tokens. Might see this in the upcoming maintenance, who knows.

I have been farming FCOB for months and got 1 or 2 pieces of equipment? After 1 week of Alex I got 1 belt, 2 jewels and 2 tokens for legs. Not saying it is the best solution but it is definitely better than what we had before (except if RNGesus loved you). As others said, if you join farm party it usually takes 4 - 5 runs untill everyone has what they wanted (I know we get 2 tokens per run, but.. yeah random tokens).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

Most of the time on Balmung, people make a disclaimer that if you bail after getting your loot, you will be blacklisted. Not sure if people really care about that sort of thing anymore, but it does hurt your ability to join further groups for any other content.

---

Yes if people are leaving you should say that you will BL the leavers, it usually prevents people from joining and after being BL from all party makers those guys will have learned their lessons.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

Join a farming party. They usually wait till everybody gets loot before disbanding. Unless you're after specific items.

---

This. Last night I was in a farm party for A4 and I wanted the chest token. Well, of course, I was the last person who hadn't gotten loot and it was almost 3am. I thought for sure that I would get shafted, but people proved me wrong and happily stayed the few extra runs it took to ensure I got my item as well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I have been farming FCOB for months and got 1 or 2 pieces of equipment? After 1 week of Alex I got 1 belt, 2 jewels and 2 tokens for legs. Not saying it is the best solution but it is definitely better than what we had before (except if RNGesus loved you). As others said, if you join farm party it usually takes 4 - 5 runs untill everyone has what they wanted (I know we get 2 tokens per run, but.. yeah random tokens).

---

Better would be an understatement, alex savage is farmable for tokens on day 1.

Oh wow twelve runs of faceroll raid content you poor thing!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Better would be an understatement, alex savage is farmable for tokens on day 1.

---

I wouldn't say it's farmable for tokens. You only ever get 1 token from each floor per week anyway, and you get it on your first kill of that week. That's not farming for tokens, is it?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

Guess the grass really is greener on Balmung. Most farms I've ever been in on Gilgamesh clear once and disband because you scrubs aren't good enough. The others were one-shot groups where people almost always bail after getting loot and then we cant one-shot anymore.

---

I just did a gilgamesh farming party with 4 clears this morning.

If people join a farm party that says multiple runs for the loot and leave when they get their piece blacklist them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I wanted the chest token. [...] I thought for sure that I would get shafted.

---

I lol'd

/10

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ckc22

I just did a gilgamesh farming party with 4 clears this morning.

---

That wasn't a "gilgamesh farming party," then. It was an actually decent farming PF that miraculously happened to be on Gilgamesh. They can happen, but it really shouldn't feel like finding the Holy MF-ing Grail when you do.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zfz

I wouldn't say it's farmable for tokens. You only ever get 1 token from each floor per week anyway, and you get it on your first kill of that week. That's not farming for tokens, is it?

---

Yes it is. It's farming in the sense that you can repeat it as many time as you want until you get the item you want. Versus the old system where you could only do the run once the entire week regardless of what dropped at the end.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Yes it is. It's farming in the sense that you can repeat it as many time as you want until you get the item you want. Versus the old system where you could only do the run once the entire week regardless of what dropped at the end.

---

The person you quoted was responding to a comment about Alexander Savage. You cannot farm the savage mode. You clear it once and everyone gets a token just for clearing it in addition to the two random loot drops as we used to get in Coil. It still has the weekly lockout as Coil had.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Malevicton

I lol'd

/10

---

;)

/char

I don't think you understand. Savage has the old coil loot rules. The only difference is that it added a token drop that everyone is guaranteed when you clear. Once you've cleared for the week, that's it. No more chests for you unless you help out a party of 4 or more non clearers. And even then that only lets one chest drop for them

I was too slow it seems

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alberel

The person you quoted was responding to a comment about Alexander Savage. You cannot farm the savage mode. You clear it once and everyone gets a token just for clearing it in addition to the two random loot drops as we used to get in Coil. It still has the weekly lockout as Coil had.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daranion

I don't think you understand. Savage has the old coil loot rules. The only difference is that it added a token drop that everyone is guaranteed when you clear. Once you've cleared for the week, that's it. No more chests for you unless you help out a party of 4 or more non clearers. And even then that only lets one chest drop for them

I was too slow it seems

---

Yeah I missed the Savage, my fault. The thread is about normal Alex and the person he responded to was talking about normal Alex too, so I assumed we were all on the same page.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daranion

I don't think you understand. Savage has the old coil loot rules. The only difference is that it added a token drop that everyone is guaranteed when you clear. Once you've cleared for the week, that's it. No more chests for you unless you help out a party of 4 or more non clearers. And even then that only lets one chest drop for them

---

Even if you do, if you already have your weekly clear you don't even see the loot drop.

The point is this is suppose to be semi casual content crystal tower-esqe. Not rng Grind that raidists measure their electronic ego by. I will say in probably 4 weeks it won't be that big a deal some people will be better geared and they will carry some of the fail you see in groups making everything 1 shot in probably under 15 mins.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

That wasn't a "gilgamesh farming party," then. It was an actually decent farming PF that miraculously happened to be on Gilgamesh. They can happen, but it really shouldn't feel like finding the Holy MF-ing Grail when you do.

---

I've only been playing since like the end of may of this year. It can be a pain to find a good group, but it is possible. PF generally works pretty well, sometimes you have to make your own. I've found farm groups for Bisex, Ravex, A3, and A4 where we did at least 4 clears each time.

I make sure to friend these players afterwards - make connections, and it gets easier, you can ask people on your list if they're free.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ckc22

I've only been playing since like the end of may of this year. It can be a pain to find a good group, but it is possible. PF generally works pretty well, sometimes you have to make your own. I've found farm groups for Bisex, Ravex, A3, and A4 where we did at least 4 clears each time.

I make sure to friend these players afterwards - make connections, and it gets easier, you can ask people on your list if they're free.

---

I'm mostly taking the sad-but-true cheap shot at the overly-entitled attitudes of most PFers on Gilgamesh (you know it's true). For reference, I've been here since about a month after launch.

We are, however, on the same server, so I will keep a lookout for you in PF.

Still better than coil, where you could join farm groups, "call" an item for yourself and still never get it. Ever. Because RNG. After it was unlocked, of course. I still remember those gloves I never saw in first coil. The chest that never dropped in second coil. Luckily my static saw all healer gear drop in final coil. I'm looking forward to never seeing something drop in Alex Savage - but at least I'll get tokens so in the long run it wont matter.

The only thing is. Its not a 1-1 thing. You need 4 tokens for the chest plate, when in the old coil for example, if the chest plate dropped you "had" it.

If it was 1-1, I would understand and love this system. However since you need multiple tokens, multiple tokens NEED to drop.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

The only thing is. Its not a 1-1 thing. You need 4 tokens for the chest plate, when in the old coil for example, if the chest plate dropped you "had" it.

If it was 1-1, I would understand and love this system. However since you need multiple tokens, multiple tokens NEED to drop.

---

Coils also had a raid lockout. You will only ever get one chance to see anything drop in that week. But Alexander Normal doesn't, which gives you a lot more of those chances.

So in old coil, if the chest plate didn't drop, it's good-bye until next week.

Doing Coils basically has a hard-limit on number of chances you get to see something drop, before the next set of Turns were released. Doing AlexN technically multiplies that hard-limit by tens if not hundreds of times, because you can repeat it within the same week until the token you want drops.

AlexN is less random, so to speak, due to the larger sample size you can take.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alberel

Compared to Coil where you could run 100 turns and potentially never see anything drop that your job can use, the loot system in Alexander is MUCH better.

Most of the moaning over the new loot system simply stems from the fact that people are seeing their failed rolls and getting disheartened by it. Every time you ran Coil you were rolling against the server to see if something you could use would drop, it was just hidden and thus players didn't moan about it. Your odds of acquiring loot in Alexander are considerably higher than they were in coil.

---

It's sad that 'considerably higher' is still 'pretty much crap'.

Putting in dozens of hours farming the same dungeon every week is not exactly my idea of fun. At least the roulettes help inject some variety. This? This is just... yeah, no. No, thanks.

I'm glad I never wasted my time getting into Coil seriously, and if Alexander is a major improvement on that then I can only say that... well, they could do better. They could do a lot better.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nyttyn

...and gotten not a SINGLE loot token...

All Random loot, where everyone's lotting on the items, and with only 2 items per run to go around, freaking sucks.

---

Personally, I'd be thanking SE for allowing you to keep running it until you DO get your loot.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

The only thing is. Its not a 1-1 thing. You need 4 tokens for the chest plate, when in the old coil for example, if the chest plate dropped you "had" it.

If it was 1-1, I would understand and love this system. However since you need multiple tokens, multiple tokens NEED to drop.

---

Except for three pesky things:
-1 chance per week.
-tiny drop rate on the thing you want due to gigantic loot lists.
-50/50 chance of wininng even if it DOES drop, especially if you're Healer.

Compared to ...
-1 Token per Floor per Week.
-Guaranteed drop rate for what you want.
-No content lockout. Just keep smashing your face against it and you will get it eventually (Or heaven forbid being social and forming a party of friends)

So uhh, It's looking mighty in favor of the Alex system thus far.

I've ran over 20hrs of T1-T4 and I have 1/4 for my weekly. I agree with OP.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

The only thing is. Its not a 1-1 thing. You need 4 tokens for the chest plate, when in the old coil for example, if the chest plate dropped you "had" it.

If it was 1-1, I would understand and love this system. However since you need multiple tokens, multiple tokens NEED to drop.

---

Two tokens drop from each floor. Do you mean that each floor instead should drop 8 tokens? Or 8 tokens each of the types that can be dropped from a floor, so that everyone can get exactly the piece they want with just one win?
Belt and Accessories are 1-1.
Belt and Accessories are also not "worth" as much as Head, Hand, Feet gear... so it only makes sense that these require more than one token to get.
Body and Leg pieces are "worth" the most... and as such it makes sense for them to be most expensive token wise as well.
If it was 1-1 for every gear piece, everyone would farm only the piece that is "worth" the most for the week.

Anyone dedicated enough to run it multiple times and still don't have a drop really should go for PF farm party. Simple rules like 4 runs minimum.

What they should do is have each floor drop one of the three random tokens, but everyone who actually rolls on that token gets it. Enough RNG to get people to run that content 2-3 times a week to keep things active throughout, but stable enough so that people aren't grinding content to the point where it's sickeningly tedious.

as someone who literally had no time to do any other kind of content because I kept failing at getting my planned Alexander loot...

For the love of your time - grab the next best thing you can get - trust me

The loot system sucks really bad. They said they'll make it better.. But I fear it'll still sucks. Thanks God esoterics are coming.

I'm not really a fan, I got my weekly items by doing a alex farm party and rolling on everything. If anything its a good way to farm law to gear alt classes ^^

only 12? dude i've been doing floor 2 non stop after i cleared it and only managed to get a lens last night D: I capped my LAW!

Every single run I have done has abandoned during Obliterator fight.

Party Finder (+advertising for visibility)
Static

Choose one. They're both better than Duty Finder for assuring you get your tokens.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaedan

Party Finder (+advertising for visibility)
Static

Choose one. They're both better than Duty Finder for assuring you get your tokens.

---

except those with tokens tend to not to join for party finder the and since there is a high chance to get the item most just leave after they got theres, DF is the only real way to do it as for static not everyone has one, and at the moment i think my static is getting tired of running alex just to make sure everyone has there token