Parsers on Dummy - When will the madness end?

First: Dummy it's for practice, we all know that. Parsers on dummy are made for maximize DMG, more important, practice the best rotation over and over with the new gear while improving with your class.

Second: Dummy are not a real boss, yeah it is pretty obvious, right? Then why are still people claiming; OH SHIT; MCH/BRD SUCKS BECAUSE THIIIIINGGGGS!!! DAMMIT YOSHIP! Hey wait a minute, actually MCH are parsing over 900 DPS on Alexander fights, fuck off!!! This must be a cheater!!!! (i.e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7NxSGZmeM)

Nope, it's not. Ok there is Battle Litany, piercing and other super buffs, but honestly, you know why his damage is so damned good in all the fight? Because it's a real fight. Real fights have disconects, mobs, and more mechanicals. What does that mean? Any DRG/MNK/NIN will not keep all his super stuff up forever. Yeah, that's how it works, really. Unless you don't play raids, ofc.

So for the love of Inspector Hildibrand, stop this madness! Play whatever you like, MCH/BRD they are most than fine. Our raid have done T1-T13, ex primals fights, and savage scob, so yeah, they are not new at all, and know how work their chars.... Guess what? Our MCH are the first/second parser on all the alex fights with a small (really small) marging with our DRG.

So please, stop spreading misleading Information and stop the stigma for all the MCH/BRD that are enjoying his classes.

{Please}

I am afraid that your dragoon needs to work on their rotation if a MCH of all things can come close to their DPS.

There is no nicer way of saying that. I get the addition of all the new skills is a lot to take in and learn, but I wouldn't compare someone who knows their class giving it their 100% vs. someone who must not be used to the new rotation/set in their ways/not trying(?).

lolwut? Our DRG is parsing over 1000 in most situation, meanwhile MCH is over 900-1000. One of the best DPS vs the most hated class for the community (at least on forums), ingame it's another thing.

What are you really trying to say? MCH are in bad position? Yeah, nope. Just stop goin with slackers.

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Originally Posted by DarianTurner

lolwut? Our DRG is parsing over 1000 in most situation, meanwhile MCH is over 900-1000. One of the best DPS vs the most hated class for the community (at least on forums), ingame it's another thing.

What are you really trying to say? MCH are in bad position? Yeah, nope. Just stop goin with slackers.

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Honestly, ignore him. He's determined to find fault with Bard/Machinist no matter what. The fact that he thinks a Dragoon doing 1000 or more DPS in a real fight with movement needs to be improved on proves that. In the real world, in real fights, bards and machinists can put out very competitive DPS. It's been proven.

It wasnt like they got buffed or anything right? oh wait...

I'm averageing 950 on Alexander fights on my mch..

newsflash, GB is godly because you dont have to move for almost all of them

The main problem with dummy parses is people like to show off.

They will tell you their highest dummy parse out of 10 tries, maybe more.

This is not really indicative of normal dps. This is the primary contributor to inflated damage.

That being said there certainly are people pulling close to 1k, maybe above on real fights.

I've been with MCHs putting out 900+ dps in Alex (myself included) and I've been with monks, Ninja's and DRG putting out that amount as well. I've also been in parties where I've had DRG and bards barely breaking 500.

Player skill will always shine in dungeons and raids over test dummy parses. It's actually the reason why SE didn't include a parser built in to the game like they were going to originally. They were worried that people would be getting kicked because of it.

I think parsers are a double edged sword, personally. Yes, they're great for testing things and learning how to optimize. But they're also very good at feeding egos, which becomes a problem. It becomes all about hitting high numbers, even if it's not realistic in an actual instance.

People should be kicked if they're pulling 500 and you cannot beat a boss.

You are aware that video is after the buff right?

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

I am afraid that your dragoon needs to work on their rotation if a MCH of all things can come close to their DPS.

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Wot. With the exclusion of Alexander, as 2/4 fights fights are Dummy fights, DRGs don't average 1000 in most situations.

Ravana + Bismarck = 850
A2 = 700-900 (varies on strats)
A3 = 950 is the highest I've seen so far. Most average around 890.

Bards and Machinists, good ones, should be 50-100 DPS below everyone else.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

I am afraid that your dragoon needs to work on their rotation if a MCH of all things can come close to their DPS.

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Stop the nonsense. Why is it that whenever people see a MCH/BRD coming close to the dps of other classes, all of a sudden—the other class is being played poorly?
Y'all wanted to DPS with the big boys and now you do. /10char

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

I am afraid that your dragoon needs to work on their rotation if a MCH of all things can come close to their DPS.

There is no nicer way of saying that. I get the addition of all the new skills is a lot to take in and learn, but I wouldn't compare someone who knows their class giving it their 100% vs. someone who must not be used to the new rotation/set in their ways/not trying(?).

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You are missing the point here - Machinist DPS is not horrid ATM when played properly.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

You are missing the point here - Machinist DPS is not horrid ATM when played properly.

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But no one is saying they're horrid right now. People were saying that before the buff. The op is arguing against a position that he made up to be argued against.

SovereignAegis is still right. They shouldn't be beating drg. That's not the same as saying they're horrid.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Wot. With the exclusion of Alexander, as 2/4 fights fights are Dummy fights, DRGs don't average 1000 in most situations.

Ravana + Bismarck = 850
A2 = 700-900 (varies on strats)
A3 = 950 is the highest I've seen so far. Most average around 890.

Bards and Machinists, good ones, should be 50-100 DPS below everyone else.

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i agree that bards and mch should be 50-100 dps below but drg can push higher dps than that on a2/a3.

Is it just me who finds quite a few of those animations just odd?

With weaving in between GCD's on MCH it looks extremely awkward, the gun flails around everywhere. I mean it's something that isn't impossible to get over but when compared to others it is kinda jarring.

GB is so large it makes it even more pronounced.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Wot. With the exclusion of Alexander, as 2/4 fights fights are Dummy fights, DRGs don't average 1000 in most situations.

Ravana + Bismarck = 850
A2 = 700-900 (varies on strats)
A3 = 950 is the highest I've seen so far. Most average around 890.

Bards and Machinists, good ones, should be 50-100 DPS below everyone else.

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Yup, this. Though my personal best for A2 is 912. It could have been higher, as I know full well that I missed some of my positionals.