PLD Changes ( Minor ) I'd like to see

Pushed my PLD to lvl 60 within the first 3 days of HW.
Use to be my main but then I went healer now back again as my main for 3.0 and loving all the new additions, just a few minor changes I'd like to see in the future.

CoS- This is are only AoE generating attack and I feel its the weakest in comparison to the WARs and DRKs of the world. What would make this ability more effective is if it was stance based.

Shield Oath- Adds extra enmity per tick , whilst
Sword Oath- Adds extra damage potency. Further increasing it from what its normal damage out put was

Sheltron - I like the ability but I think it should negate the next physical attack and on a higher CD. ( That's just me , dont attack lol )

Royal Authority- Potency is nice but come on this our LVL 60 OUR ULTIMATE OUR DEVASTATION move but yet no extra effects , and no enmity builder .....please fix this ....do something , make it a ACC down on the target or something lol not just damage, SO BORING

Divine Veil - This is not an AoE cover for ppl who call it that , it's pretty much an AoE Stoneskin at 10% of the healers HP which I think should be changed to the tanks HP unless I've tested this wrong ...... I'm still confused on the ''caster'' portion of the ability tip , can someone help me out here. If it is the casters HP (meaning the person who healed you) CAN WE PLEASE use Cure on ourselves to make this work :) and make it 20% just because a Tanks cover should be more than a healers...... biased

Clemency - Shorter cast timer would be nice , its very very very situational and unable to squeeze in crucial moments when you can save lives and help healers on MP issue (plus it generates hate)
Goring Blade - Perfect ability nothing more to change here , it would be nice if it came off an enmity builder, but shield swipes makes this a viable option mid pulls

I'll put my answers in the Quote in bold

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Pushed my PLD to lvl 60 within the first 3 days of HW.
Use to be my main but then I went healer now back again as my main for 3.0 and loving all the new additions, just a few minor changes I'd like to see in the future.

CoS- This is are only AoE generating attack and I feel its the weakest in comparison to the WARs and DRKs of the world. What would make this ability more effective is if it was stance based.
I'm not necessarily against gettign an additional AOE attack, BUT Pld has no problem holding aoe aggro against dds and healers and losing to another tank in one department is not that bad i think (remember we are playing as Teams not against each other even if it feels like that sometimes).
That said while i wouldn't be against an AOE attack I would rather have additional Support and migitation skills (yeah i'm a sucker for new Paladin toys^^)

Shield Oath- Adds extra enmity per tick , whilst
Not sure what you mean here extra enmity for DOTs? or something else?
Sword Oath- Adds extra damage potency. Further increasing it from what its normal damage out put was
We already get extra enmity and it already puts us in a pretty god place as ot i think, if you want to add more potency then how much? 10 per attack? 20 per attack? Keep in mind that even something like 10% more potency or 5% more dmg can be a lot

Sheltron - I like the ability but I think it should negate the next physical attack and on a higher CD. ( That's just me , dont attack lol )
Negating one attack sounds pretty neat^^. But could be way to powerfull as alot of tank Busters a physicall and negating them means a lot (I sometimes blind Titan hm before he does mountain buster and he misses 66% of his buster then even if it is random it helps a lot but that doesn't work on most bosses).
Also i think sheltron works so nice with shield swipe ad Tower shields that I wouldn't want to miss it. Before that I would always avoid towers for balanced shields now it seems like a waste to not use towers.

Royal Authority- Potency is nice but come on this our LVL 60 OUR ULTIMATE OUR DEVASTATION move but yet no extra effects , and no enmity builder .....please fix this ....do something , make it a ACC down on the target or something lol not just damage, SO BORING
I absolutely agrre with this one, when i got my last skill at 60 i was so lets see what i got (having high expectations ftrom the rest of the skills): "oh high potency.. good... another finisher.. very good.... no effect...." *sits in a corner and sulks*
No seriously that skill is ok, devinitly a positive Addition... it's just a bit boring especially (as you said) as our lvl 60 skills which were normally some Kind of ultimate (example holy ground at 50 or flare for Black mage)

Divine Veil - This is not an AoE cover for ppl who call it that , it's pretty much an AoE Stoneskin at 10% of the healers HP which I think should be changed to the tanks HP unless I've tested this wrong ...... I'm still confused on the ''caster'' portion of the ability tip , can someone help me out here. If it is the casters HP (meaning the person who healed you) CAN WE PLEASE use Cure on ourselves to make this work :) and make it 20% just because a Tanks cover should be more than a healers...... biased
I'm 100% sure it is our hp, for a simple reason: I'm playing in german and our tooltip says(rough Translation) "...dmg for 10% of your hp is migitated...", but yeah i think we should be able to Trigger it oursleve. When i got it i imideatly tried if crossclasing cure would be usefull now.. of course it isn't and with clemecy even less.

Clemency - Shorter cast timer would be nice , its very very very situational and unable to squeeze in crucial moments when you can save lives and help healers on MP issue (plus it generates hate)
i actually like that one, used it for example when healers just raised someone or if they are out of mana (healing 8k hp with two cast or more when it crits is quit good), also as weird as it sounds it makes 8/4 man runs with only Paladins possible which will be quit fun.
Goring Blade - Perfect ability nothing more to change here , it would be nice if it came off an enmity builder, but shield swipes makes this a viable option mid pulls
I love it since getting Paladin to 50 i always wondered where our second finisher vanished to, but i disagree on the enmity we were in dire need of an Rotation without any enmity at all and now we have it

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They need to introduce shield blocks during casting.

I wouldn't change shield tron. It makes tower shields viable. Making it a 100% null physical damage will kill towers if my theory is correct and we keep rebuilding our damage reduction upon block back to 30%, making mid tier (kite) shields king again. Your suggestion would solidify that.

DV is suppose to be our (the tanks) HP. But I think they should just take out the "cure" part and just make it a raid wide AoE. As it stands now it forces you to anticipate the move that's about to come and put the ability up 30 seconds in advance for some healers to notice it and to cure you. Seems each time I throw it up, healers literately stop healing me, even with a macro saying it's up.

Clemency, I agree upon. The time it takes to cast it is rather long, making it a not so great option while Main tanking. The suggestion of shield blocks earlier would at least aid in further damage reduction during it's casting time, but a shorter cast(maybe 1 second less) would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Seku

They need to introduce shield blocks during casting.

I wouldn't change shield tron. It makes tower shields viable. Making it a 100% null physical damage will kill towers if my theory is correct and we keep rebuilding our damage reduction upon block back to 30%, making mid tier (kite) shields king again. Your suggestion would solidify that.

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we could increse the block of mid Tier shields because strenght increased blocked dmg, that is not the case anymore so i don't think we will see high numbers as that ever again (the additinal block on shields alone from 2.0 to 2.5 did not increase that much: example holy shield Zenit has 181 block strength while aegis shield zeta has 234 blocking strength which equals to somewhere between 4-5% more dmg blocked, but they might increase how much blocking strength we get or Change the formula we will see.

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Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins

we could increse the block of mid Tier shields because strenght increased blocked dmg, that is not the case anymore so i don't think we will see high numbers as that ever again (the additinal block on shields alone from 2.0 to 2.5 did not increase that much: example holy shield Zenit has 181 block strength while aegis shield zeta has 234 blocking strength which equals to somewhere between 4-5% more dmg blocked, but they might increase how much blocking strength we get or Change the formula we will see.

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If you go from the last dungeon shield to the new law one. Your block % increases from 19% to 21%. So...yeah I think we'll be seeing some where around 25-30% by the end of the 3.x again. In either case, my main point still stands. You make shield tron 100% null out a physical attack. Tower shields will become useless again. Unless they just stop handing out kite shields, which SE seems to favor Kite shields over all others....

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Originally Posted by Seku

If you go from the last dungeon shield to the new law one. Your block % increases from 19% to 21%. So...yeah I think we'll be seeing some where around 25-30% by the end of the 3.x again. In either case, my main point still stands. You make shield tron 100% null out a physical attack. Tower shields will become useless again. Unless they just stop handing out kite shields, which SE seems to favor Kite shields over all others....

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depends, the older shields, say the ilvl 142 on was 19% in Library and the new dungeons but 20-21% in lower dungeons so I assume that the strength of the Monsters (or maybe lvl difference??) play a role as well, but yeah it all depends on how SE increases the stats.

ALso: yeah your Point still stands^^, i was just arguing the rebuilding of such high numbers not the fact that sheltron and Towers have a realy good synergie right now (which i also like)

CoS I agree with, just a little something extra would make it nice. Otherwise I just use it for some AoE damage and as an oGCD way to get several enemies that just spawned.

Divine Veil I do think needs a slight tweak, namely remove the cure proc on it. It makes it very unwieldy and hard to ever time right since it's not dependent on YOUR timing, but someone elses. It just makes it's function worse than it needs to be.

I can't comment much on clemency since I only just got it and haven't gotten to play with it yet, so hard to say much about it.

Shelltron and Royal Authority I 100% disagree with, they seem fine the way they are.

Flash being 100 potency as a trait.

Flash can use a buff, some changes to CoS would be welcome, and a rider on Royal Authority would be nice. I honestly would love to see Shield Swipe altered to function as an instant/ogcd to speed up the game play style, or exchange the generally useless pacification effect with 5 seconds of increased block chance following its use.

we're perfectly fine.. okay maybe except the level 60 skill which sucks only if your co-tank sucks at generating aggro on boss fights but thats it.. we're still the best tank around

It was suggested in another thread that Shelltron may serve us better as a damage shield against physical damage for 20% of our hp.
The issue with it is timing. Unless the tank buster has a long cast time, or you know EXACTLY when it will hit, an autoattack could eat your forced block... Which just sucks.

If they are set on it being a blocking effect, make it a bit like Warrior's Raw Intuition, where you block all attacks from the front for 3 (maybe 6) seconds. That way the effect is more or less the same, but it will not be eaten by something weak if you use it early... Think Titan's MBs which are instant with an autoattack before and after.

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

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CoS - We aren't an AoE damage based tank. Imagine a guy with a sword and shield twirling.... When I want to do AoE damage I go to Warrior. No twinkle toes Paladin

Sheltron - First off the ability is amazing. No increased cooldown as the mana regeneration is amazing. It creates the opportunity for us to use other abilities than the Riot Blade/Flash that we were almost bound to, for threat on increasingly large pulls pre hw. We can now use Flash + RoH combo and still regen mana. Or if you have a good threat lead RA combo with flash.

Royal Authority - I use this ability all the time. I haven't had any issues with threat once I upgraded my weapon and it gets used liberally. From an off tanking perspective it is also incredibly beneficial when I am not trying to build enmity but do damage. I don't see any change needing to be added.

Divine Veil - I still don't fully understand this ability.

Clemency - Yes on the reduced cast time. Feels longer than every other healing ability out there.

Goring Blade - Again something I use liberally but happy it combos off of a mana builder for the exact same reason as Sheltron. It lets me use flash more while applying a nice potency ability to each enemy.

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Sheltron - I like the ability but I think it should negate the next physical attack and on a higher CD. ( That's just me , dont attack lol )

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The CD is fine, remember it also gives mana!

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Royal Authority- Potency is nice but come on this our LVL 60 OUR ULTIMATE OUR DEVASTATION move but yet no extra effects , and no enmity builder .....please fix this ....do something , make it a ACC down on the target or something lol not just damage, SO BORING

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You are missing the point of this skill. We didn't have a DPS combo in 2.x and were the epitome of 1-2-3 with RoH. I absolutely would NOT want them to make this an emnity builder. If we are secure on hate, we can now dish out some more damage; this is especially true as OT where we don't want to be spamming our main emnity building combo anyways.

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Divine Veil - This is not an AoE cover for ppl who call it that , it's pretty much an AoE Stoneskin at 10% of the healers HP which I think should be changed to the tanks HP unless I've tested this wrong ...... I'm still confused on the ''caster'' portion of the ability tip , can someone help me out here. If it is the casters HP (meaning the person who healed you) CAN WE PLEASE use Cure on ourselves to make this work :) and make it 20% just because a Tanks cover should be more than a healers...... biased

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Divine Veil's shield uses the Tank's HP, not the Healer's. Only thing I'd like to see with this is removing the trigger or allowing us to proc it with Clemency or even Cure.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

Divine Veil - I still don't fully understand this ability.

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You activate it and get a buff called "Divine Veil". If you receive a healing spell from another player, you lose that buff and all the guys around within a radius of 15 yalms* will get a shield similar to adloquium for 30 seconds. The damage that shield reduces, it's 10% of your max HP. So, if you have 15k HP, that shield will mitigate 1.5k. It stacks with Adlo and Stoneskin. It's very useful and I can see it as an important skill in future raid content, because of the raid-wide damage. If anything, I would reduce its cd to 120.

*(10 less than Flash, the same distance than cover, so they better stack for it)

I don't think Paladins need or really have any reason to get further changes.
Flash spam + CoS has always been enough to keep aoe hate (in my experience 2.0-2.55), Shelltron on a lower cooldown would almost be abuse worthy (especially if we have a lot of physical, single hit tank busters in 3.0, or even multi hit), Clemency is a great cool down for OT paladins who will have a lot of mana from gore blade, Divine Veil gives paladins a permanent place in all progression raiding if there are the teraflares and gigaflares of eld.

Only thing I somewhat agree with is RA being pretty vanilla, but then again it's a paladin. No one said they were super intensive like drk or even war. You just get shit done calmly and efficiently. I'd almost rather it came off of Gore Blade so there is less enmity generation as OT, but what cha gonna do?

Clemency deserves to be an instant cast that still causes a global cool down to occur. It's insane MP cost is highly inefficient, and it's scaled with Strength, which means most of you Fending kiddies won't get a powerful heal out of it anyway. =P
But the thing is, I get interrupted when trying to use it in the few situations where it would have made a huge difference to my group.
Not to mention it in fact takes up just over 1/3rd of out MP pool, we need to use Riot Blade twice to get a 3rd cast out, or burn sheltron when we don't specifically want to.
Making it into a spell similar in usage to Energy Drain would make perfect sense for a Main Tank ability.

Funny tip about clemency.Its a spell and putting spellspeed on your tank reduces its cast.


That should be obvious, but its bizarre since its a JOB spell on a job that will never have spellspeed on its gear.


I think for this move they should change it to be a decreased cast from skillspeed.