Potions should be 3 per 1 craft like the old X-potions, unlike food you pop more potions during a fight and the actual cost for making said potions are insane compared to their older ones.
This is a plea from a raider, I know crafters will enjoy it more than I for sure, but the process is just suffering.
Also while the topic is up, does anyone have a macro for making the potions? Make the life of a raider easier plea ;_;
A Plea from a raider - Make potions 3 per 1 craft again.
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07-02-2015, 10:09 PMKasueA Plea from a raider - Make potions 3 per 1 craft again.
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07-02-2015, 10:30 PMLyrinnEven crafters hate it. Making a stack for static members or to sell will be a nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasue
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07-02-2015, 10:37 PMKasueGood to know lol, let's make it happen then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrinn
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07-02-2015, 11:09 PMPROBOUND
These will not be BiS Potions. This is simply BiS for now. This is 1star stuff (not even). Once 2star potions are released theres a good chance those will be x3 yield. Sucks for now but its not like we havnt been there already. Same goes for the food. Many got used to the x3 yeild of 4star meals. Just gotta live with it for now.
We are essentially starting over again like 2.0 and these are the equivalent of mega-potions. -
07-03-2015, 01:59 AMKenji1134
Does that mean that the newer recipes will call for even MORE scarce ingredients?
This round of crafting is brutal in terms of mats.
BSM and ARM require 5 "hidden metals" to make the most basic component.
LTW is far worse, requiring 3 hides/skins which seem to have a 5-10% drop rate off mobs that take 20-30 seconds to kill.
Cul and Alch are in a similar position, requiring 3-5 of a mob dropped item (shanks, deepeye tears, etc) to make 1 item. Then recipes closer to 50 require old world unspoiled node ingredients or worse, new unspoiled node items where the node is up for a total of 3 minutes. -
07-03-2015, 02:38 PMTam_HawkinsThe Basic metal is not hidden there is another one that is but it's not used that often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenji1134
Otherwise I agree with your post materials seem to be much harder to get and every recipte requires more then during the entire 2.x times. (just think about the three hides for leatherworker...) -
07-03-2015, 03:29 PMstuscott
This is the way I feel about everything...so much work is needed for one single craft. Holy Water, Goblin Jigs, potions, hides, cloth, etc - everything requires so much materials for one item - it's a little ridiculous. It would make a huge difference if you would get 2-3 from crafting something or if it required less materials.
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07-04-2015, 01:53 AMSeeri
I don't mind it so much that each items needs a lot of sub-crafts, the annoying part for me is that it feels like you can't craft anything without help from AT LEAST one other crafting profession. Feels a bit over the top when the items made aren't necessarily that good, just part of moving upwards.
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07-04-2015, 08:05 AMKenji1134
Yeah I am a bit confused...
Yoshida said that they wanted to make crafting MORE accessible.
Well now everyone has access to a "modified BB", and some nice tricks to get extra progress and durability.
You still all but need PbP, BB and CS2 are still amazing, Ing1/2 are again extremely useful given how much you are punished for being below the recipe level... So we still need to grind almost everything to 50, that hasnt changed.
However now we need a LOT more materials for everything. We often need help from other crafting classes. And "top end gear"... which is actually only top end for crafters and gatherers, requires ingredients from unspoiled nodes. So... its a lot more work... thats all it is, it is a whole lot more work.
Since Yoshida explicitly said that crafted items will not be as good as endgame items, I imagine that crafted gear will always be 20 ilvls behind not even the "top", but the accessible endgame gear. And given the increase in stats per ilvl, I doubt materia will cover the difference.
So crafters make gear for other crafters and gatherers, and leveling combat classes... who are probably rolling in extra gear at this point.
The only ones who are going to be useful, as before, are Cul and Alc... and it looks like Alc's potions are again using some REALLY rare ingredients. That leaves Cul as chef-bitch again... yay?
I guess what I am trying to get at is that if they were looking to make crafting more enticing, they failed... miserably. It is a whole lot of time and grinding to participate in a closed economy of crafters and gatherers who all share gear. The demand will dry up very quickly. So unless something truly amazing happens when Alex NM and Red Scrip books come out, crafting may effectively be pointless. -
07-04-2015, 08:34 PMkeyburz
what kenji said. It makes me worried about crafting's future. This gear we can craft is just as good as the gear you can buy from the supply node in the last map. Materia prices have gone to its vendor price, except the 4's since theyre just hard to get, because theres nothing to do with materia right now. I have hope though. It will be a sad day if it turns out that this closed system remains closed when we get an expansion on crafting, but I think SE is aware of that. Im sure they've got something planned, just look at how much they added for HW already!
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07-06-2015, 02:47 AMEphier
Supported. Please, I don't want to craft pots all day long.
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07-07-2015, 10:30 AMgiantslayer
On a related note, does anyone else feel like the dissolvents were supposed to be 3 per craft? Doing Grand Company Provisioning turn-ins up through lvl 55 for all 8 crafts, those are so far the ONLY item that they have asked for more than 1 per turn-in.
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07-09-2015, 02:40 AMLilythI noticed the same thing. Today on my delivery missions I had to craft three 40 durability potions, while on all other deliveries was the standard one item with 70 or 80 durability.Quote:
Originally Posted by giantslayer
It really looks like SE forgot to add the 3 potions yield on the new alchemist recipes, cause the GC sure asks for it. -
07-09-2015, 06:30 AMAlahra
I'm far more concerned about the fact that the potions drop from level 55 Timeworn maps than I am that they're only 1 per synth. The synth itself is level 58, requires the Master book to unlock (which, for my server at least, ended up being a few million worth of mats to get the scrips for), and requires relatively rare mats. On Diabolos at least, the mats to make the potions are selling for 5-10x the price of the potions on the MB. At the least, the synth shouldn't be locked behind the book.
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07-11-2015, 01:52 AMMindy_Macready
If you're going to lock these potions behind mastercraft books, at least make them worth the effort to craft over x-pots. If you're not going to give us 3 potions per craft moving forward, at least make them require significantly less effort to craft, or use less expensive mats.
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07-11-2015, 05:47 AMRamienOn the other hand, the dissolvents at least only use found materials, so you only have to craft a total of three times. The 'standard one item' for the other classes all have other materials that need to be made first, so you're crafting even more times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilyth
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07-11-2015, 11:30 PMMindy_Macready
Maybe if they ever revamp the Specialist system to actually be useful, a skill they could add for ALC would be one that increases the yields of certain crafts [i.e. pots] by 3, much like how gatherers have buffs to increase yields per swing.