SE I am disappoint (Possible Spoilers)

You're going to give us three statues that look an awful lot like the esper gods of FFVI, yet not have them play any role in the story, or even show up in the lore? Sad Panda I am. :(

They will lol. Be pacient.

How do you know?

Its obious. Is the warrind triad of course, soething like that canot be abandoned

Yeah we got the whole of 3.x the main story is far from done.

We get 3.01 onward for them to develop the Warring Triad. You also get a little glimpse at this when you beat the final Trial. You're sent on a mission to (paraphrased)"exterminate Ravana and Bismark again so they don't take the Warring Triad's aether" I'm SURE we'll be able to see them(in one way or another, aside from statues) by the final 3.X patch...

We went through all of 2.00 without glimpsing the Crystal Tower or the other three primals, so there's plenty of time.

For all we know, the 24-man dungeon is Flagship, or something related to that UFO.

I highly doubt this is the last of the three primals we will see. Especially considering the the Vanu and Gnath are already sending primals after them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

For all we know, the 24-man dungeon is Flagship, or something related to that UFO.

---

I caught the UFO relatively close to the edge of the map and was surprised at how massive it is. I'm willing to bet its the next 24-man raid.


EDIT: now I'm really wishing I didn't rush through tiny-white-robe's dialog while farming for my Hive Axe...I thought he said that Ravana and Bismark were seeking to get to Azys Lla because they were being called by the Triad, not because they wanted their power.

EDIT EDIT: I also though tiny-robes was implying that from hereon out, most of the major foes we will face will be Eikons, rather than Primals. Not to say we won't have to put down Primals anymore, but mostly we'll be dealing with awoken Eikons

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

We went through all of 2.00 without glimpsing the Crystal Tower or the other three primals, so there's plenty of time.

---

Ramuh appeared briefly in the 2.0 Main Scenario (via the Echo), and the Crystal Tower was there in Mor Dhona from the moment you got there (not to mention the ARR opening FMV), a prominent landmark just on the other side of the map from normal quest progression. That's not really contradicting what you meant to say, though.

And you know I nitpick this a lot (sick of it yet?), but it kinda never did actually do much in the way of anything? Not to be a downer, but even after all the buildup, I kinda do see a very real possibility of us stopping the Triad from ever awakening in a tangential and ephemeral side-story that simply never gets mentioned again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

Ramuh appeared briefly in the 2.0 Main Scenario (via the Echo), and the Crystal Tower was there in Mor Dhona from the moment you got there (not to mention the ARR opening FMV), a prominent landmark just on the other side of the map from normal quest progression. That's not really contradicting what you meant to say, though.

And you know I nitpick this a lot (sick of it yet?), but it kinda never did actually do much in the way of anything? Not to be a downer, but even after all the buildup, I kinda do see a very real possibility of us stopping the Triad from ever awakening in a tangential and ephemeral side-story that simply never gets mentioned again.

---

I'd entirely be ok with that. It's nice to see the nod to the other games there from time to time, but I'd rather not see them become major, lasting factors of the story, Warring Triad included.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

I'd entirely be ok with that. It's nice to see the nod to the other games there from time to time, but I'd rather not see them become major, lasting factors of the story, Warring Triad included.

---

We can agree to disagree, then. I'd rather not see characters and settings brought in from other games for isolated events that must return to nothingness. Especially as interactions with the "main" cast that never get mentioned again.

Given a choice, I'd prefer more characters like Matoya or Hilda: recognizable names with recognizable common details, but otherwise proper FF14 characters in their own right.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarkJester

You're going to give us three statues that look an awful lot like the esper gods of FFVI, yet not have them play any role in the story, or even show up in the lore? Sad Panda I am. :(

---

Though they don't appear in the main story, the Extreme primal quests are essentially based around the Triad, and the potential threat they represent.

It's suggested that:

1) they were the real reason that both Thordan VII, along with his Heaven's Ward, and the Garleans went looking for Azys Lla in the first place, and
2) Bismarck and Ravana both have the means, if given the opportunity, to seek out the Triad in Azys Lla as a source of immense power, and that this must be prevented at all costs.

Naturally, this being only the start of the expansion, things are left very open ended, but you can expect them to feature heavily in future patches.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

Given a choice, I'd prefer more characters like Matoya or Hilda: recognizable names with recognizable common details, but otherwise proper FF14 characters in their own right.

---

I think that's exactly what we'll be getting here.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarkJester

You're going to give us three statues that look an awful lot like the esper gods of FFVI, yet not have them play any role in the story, or even show up in the lore? Sad Panda I am. :(

---

They did play a role in the story, you probably weren't paying attention or didn't know what they are called (The Warring Triad).

Both Thordan AND the Empire came to Azys Lla for the single purpose of obtaining their power.

If it follows the logic of crystal tower, then we will fight a Hydrus (forgot the rest of his name) powered by the 3 statues and trying to take over the world, aside from that on the other side of the flagship there is an entrance with a red gate sealed with chains, brings a lot of questions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ibi

Though they don't appear in the main story, the Extreme primal quests are essentially based around the Triad, and the potential threat they represent.

It's suggested that:

1) they were the real reason that both Thordan VII, along with his Heaven's Ward, and the Garleans went looking for Azys Lla in the first place, and
2) Bismarck and Ravana both have the means, if given the opportunity, to seek out the Triad in Azys Lla as a source of immense power, and that this must be prevented at all costs.

Naturally, this being only the start of the expansion, things are left very open ended, but you can expect them to feature heavily in future patches.


I think that's exactly what we'll be getting here.

---

The triad do somewhat have a role, during the Singularity Core, it's implied that the king uses their power to summon his knights for Ultimate End, when he tells his sword to "drink" deep.

I am kinda confused. Didn't we go inside/underneath the Warring Triad via Aetherochemical research facility and the Singularity Reactor?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by myahele

I am kinda confused. Didn't we go inside/underneath the Warring Triad via Aetherochemical research facility and the Singularity Reactor?

---

No, you're not confused. The Flagship houses the Aetherochemical Research Facility, which in turn houses the Singularity Reactor. It probably won't ever become a level of its own. Which begs the question: what are we going to do about the Triad?

I kinda don't think we'll be able to fight them in the state they're in now, but simply repairing the seal with a short scene like "wow, that could have been really bad" would be the sort of anticlimax I'd really like to not see become an ongoing trend.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

SNIP

---

I think that might end up being the case. ___ happens and we do something and beat someone and the triad wont be awakened. Just like CT, they're pretty much a static landmark as far as I'm concerned, but I'm sure we'll learn more about them and who/what they are.

Seems like everyone is after the Triad ... then there's also Omega weapon that's more or less taken a back seat (perhaps it's fueled by it, too?)

I do think that Van Hydrus will end up doing an experiment on himself to try to please the Emperor .... and become dancing mad, lol

Singularity Definitions:
1.a point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole. (Perhaps that's what Lahabrea and Iggy Azeala planned on doing with their form of The Joining?)

2.a hypothetical moment in time when artificial intelligence and other technologies have become so advanced that humanity undergoes a dramatic and irreversible change. (Pretty much Allagan Empire, especially the Azys Lla)

I think we will end fighting the eikons of the warring triad. Remember that there is a concept art of them, so they will have some importance on the future.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarkJester

You're going to give us three statues that look an awful lot like the esper gods of FFVI, yet not have them play any role in the story, or even show up in the lore? Sad Panda I am. :(

---

Given there's a literally chained up entrance on the Flagship ( x 26 y 22) my guess is that they very much will play a part in a patch.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LystAP

The triad do somewhat have a role, during the Singularity Core, it's implied that the king uses their power to summon his knights for Ultimate End, when he tells his sword to "drink" deep.

---

Hmm. I assumed it was Nidhogg's Eye he was telling them to drink deep from, given that when he first transforms into Thordan he says his "being is sustained by a millennium of fervent prayer and the Eye's nigh bottomless reservoir of aether."

Urianger's text in Gods of Eld isn't explicit, but does suggest that they were tapping into that power, since his defeat had an effect on them: "'Twas first and foremost to acquire the infinite power of the Warring Triad that the archbishop did seek Azys Lla. But in the wake of his defeat, the bindings which confine the eikons were severely damaged."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ibi

Hmm. I assumed it was Nidhogg's Eye he was telling them to drink deep from, given that when he first transforms into Thordan he says his "being is sustained by a millennium of fervent prayer and the Eye's nigh bottomless reservoir of aether."

---

When he stabs his sword into the ground before the final summoning, he says: "O Ascalon! Drink deep of the power of slumbering gods!" That leaves little room for doubt that he was talking about the warring triad.

Okay, this thought may or may not require its own thread, but are the Allagans and their power sources dealing in multiples of infinity at this point?

Syrcus Tower: "near-limitless," capable of powering the entire world, but not enough to fully open a voidgate.

Dalamud: theoretically enough energy to fully open a voidgate, which means much closer to limitless than Syrcus Tower on its own.

The Warring Triad: infinite. Older than Dalamud, if only by decades, but apparently never used to try and fully open a voidgate. Which in itself is kinda dodgy.

So which infinite power source is the strongest then, and how big a difference is there between "limitless" and "near-limitless"? I know Allagan tech is always painted in hyperbole, but come on! You'd think just one would be enough.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarkJester

How do you know?

---

you do understand that this is only the base expansion right there's a few patches to go through.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leviathonlx

Given there's a literally chained up entrance on the Flagship ( x 26 y 22) my guess is that they very much will play a part in a patch.

---

What, this old thing? (Minimap included for reference.)

http://i.imgur.com/kXGrJjY.png

That's either a later-patch dungeon/trial entrance, or our new Boulder Downs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

snip

---

I never thought about it, but you're right. They have so much power sources. The only thing I can think of is that using the triad in that way is forbidden due to seal potentially becoming loose ala Thordan.

Or it was sealed and location hidden by rebels?