Regret after finishing 58 DRG Job Quest

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07-01-2015, 12:53 AM
Grey_Cain

Regret after finishing 58 DRG Job Quest

After trying out Wheeling Thrust, I regret having learned Wheeling Thrust at all.

Considering that it has the EXACT same effect as Fang and Claw with the EXACT same requirements to activate, and the only difference between the two is which position you have to be in to get the damage bonus, I can only wonder why anyone should learn Wheeling Thrust when ALL that it changes is that Fang and Claw becomes unreliable.

Even if Geirskogul is really so amazing that it justifies learning Wheeling Thrust anyway, why did we have to get a re-position of an ability we just got? What possible advantage does Wheeling Thrust give to the player that Fang and Claw didn't already give?
07-01-2015, 05:40 AM
RowanLauron

Maybe you can't hit the boss or add at the appropriate angle? Nothing better than having options even though it's the same effect. You just have to pick the better option depending on your position.
07-01-2015, 05:42 AM
ziddyt

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

Maybe you can't hit the boss or add at the appropriate angle? Nothing better than having options even though it's the same effect. You just have to pick the better option depending on your position.

...That's not how it works.
07-01-2015, 05:44 AM
Eye_Gore

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

After trying out Wheeling Thrust, I regret having learned Wheeling Thrust at all.

Better to have something and not need it, than need something and not have it. Besides you don't have to use it.
07-01-2015, 05:45 AM
saber_alter

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

Maybe you can't hit the boss or add at the appropriate angle? Nothing better than having options even though it's the same effect. You just have to pick the better option depending on your position.

not how it works. pure RNG, it randomly gives you one buff after a CT or FT.

i think they added it just to make the job more complicated TBH. seems a few of the jobs suffer from that atm.
07-01-2015, 05:45 AM
zemogFC

Its literally a waste of an ability. Its worse than that its a negative ability.
I'm taking my time to do the level 58 drg quest. We'll see how much I'm missing Geirskogul in a few weeks. I may never do the level 58 quest.
07-01-2015, 05:50 AM
Sho86

I had the same feeling when I got the new move. I just kinda shrugged and moved on, but wouldn't mind if it were changed to be something more beneficial. As far as Geirskogul goes, while I'm no hardcore rotation math person, I really rarely use it. Most times I need around 12~ seconds left on my BotD to account for tank moving the mob or AoE to reach the next boost. If I need heavy thrust or Phlebotomize, even longer, so the instances to use the skill is very low.
07-01-2015, 05:50 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its not hard to hit them, you don't have to be all the way to the side, or all the way to the back for the positionals to work... I only have trouble getting them off when bosses turn for aoe's or a ton of aoe's cover the area and I have to disengage.

Just learn to not go so wide for them and its pretty easy., and Geir andds a decent amount of dps once you get the hang of it.
07-01-2015, 05:58 AM
Thandronen

An easy fix for this would be to make Fang And Claw always trigger after Chaos Thrust while Wheeling Thrust always triggers after Full Thrust. Thoughts?
07-01-2015, 06:02 AM
Sho86

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Originally Posted by Thandronen

An easy fix for this would be to make Fang And Claw always trigger after Chaos Thrust while Wheeling Thrust always triggers after Full Thrust. Thoughts?

Technically still would be easier to just have FaC and never learned WT. One of them would need to impact your Chaos Thrust combo, doing another DoT or another debuff, while the other could be higher pure damage behind Heavy Thrust. For Geir, could have both, or one of them give charges that last awhile, allowing us to position the directional AoE for trash pulls or saving them for burst damage on bosses.
07-01-2015, 06:15 AM
Yukiba

I have no problem with it. Only people complaining are the ones who are lazy and dont want to move around the mob. I love making split decisions based on the rng of which skill pops up. Also like when it hits for 2-3k dmg spikes
07-01-2015, 06:23 AM
Remus

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Originally Posted by Yukiba

I have no problem with it. Only people complaining are the ones who are lazy and dont want to move around the mob. I love making split decisions based on the rng of which skill pops up. Also like when it hits for 2-3k dmg spikes

That really isn't the case. Both skills are pretty much clones of each other and its not about being lazy. If Fang and Claw was after Full thrust and Wheeling Thrust after Chaos Thrust I could prepare before hand but with RNG I can't. It wouldn't surprise me that SE knew how useless the skill was so they placed it at 58 so people are forced to get it in order to get Geirskogul. I believe they should change Wheeling Thrust in some way because currently it feels like the only reason it's there is to cause RNG and make it feel "complex" when it isn't more annoying then anything else.
07-01-2015, 06:24 AM
RowanLauron

The way the op was describing it made it seem that way. Oh well I haven't leveled drg yet so... Meh. Haven't had any drg in my FC complain about it though. Maybe they are silently sobbing into their keyboards/controllers.
07-01-2015, 11:32 PM
Thandronen

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Originally Posted by Sho86

Technically still would be easier to just have FaC and never learned WT. One of them would need to impact your Chaos Thrust combo, doing another DoT or another debuff, while the other could be higher pure damage behind Heavy Thrust. For Geir, could have both, or one of them give charges that last awhile, allowing us to position the directional AoE for trash pulls or saving them for burst damage on bosses.

Yes, Fang and Claw should have a Bleeding DoT or something applied to it, even if it is just for a few seconds!
07-01-2015, 11:44 PM
Hyrist

Give it some playtime. While I agree there needs to be some individuality between the skills to define them (hard to do as it's RNG based but I want the RNG to stay.) I do like how using the skill FEELS. Whatever changes they add to the individual skills to make them better defined from one another, I don't want the playstyle of the job to change - I'm happy with how that works at least.

Give some better variance between Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust independently though. It does make no sense that these skills are identical. You can design them to net the same sort of benefits overall while still keeping them unique.
07-01-2015, 11:49 PM
CompSci88

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Originally Posted by Yukiba

I have no problem with it. Only people complaining are the ones who are lazy and dont want to move around the mob. I love making split decisions based on the rng of which skill pops up. Also like when it hits for 2-3k dmg spikes

Why don't you tell the BLM to wait to see if Firestarter proc before casting the next Fire 1. Same concept here. You need to plan your next attacks a few gcds before you actually do it.
07-02-2015, 12:02 AM
Quixotica

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

Better to have something and not need it, than need something and not have it. Besides you don't have to use it.

Not really. This is a perfect example of unnecessary ability bloat. Instead of adding an almost entirely superflous ability as a work around for situations that prevent you from positioning correct - just remove that positioning restriction on the existing ability. It's the exact same effect, without adding extra fat to an already crowded hotbar.
07-02-2015, 01:30 AM
LunaHoshino

I'm honestly looking forward to getting those skills. I was starting to get a bit bored with the existing DRG rotation as it was; I think this will add some challenge and make it fun to play again.