Secondary Dye Colour

Those that care about it most likely want it.

Give us the ability to use 2 different dyes on one piece of gear. For example the new Law pieces for DD's contain both metal and cloth. Allow us to dye the metal one colour, and the cloth another (just one example).

The metal areas on the Law pieces for DPS roles often look horrendous in most of the dyes we have available to us unless we stick to darker/deeper dyes. Dying it a single tone makes the armor look rather bland, especially when the metal areas are the exact same colour to the cloth pieces.

There are also other pieces of gear that have a two-tone colour by default, and due to only having one dye accessible to us we are often stuck with a less desirable colour on our gear as the non-dyable section.

This has been a common complaint at least among my friends when dying gear. I am sure we are not alone here.

I understand the workload to implement this would be pretty intense if it were to be done for all existing gear, but at least give us this option for future gear.

Care about it too much, would love to see it happening, but... SE seems to have incredible issues with character/inventory sizes and management. Adding more data to that (2ndary color on so many pieces of gear) is just not something I can see down the road any time soon. :|

Yes frikking please.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Care about it too much, would love to see it happening, but... SE seems to have incredible issues with character/inventory sizes and management. Adding more data to that (2ndary color on so many pieces of gear) is just not something I can see down the road any time soon. :|

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Is each piece of gear with every possible dye combination stored in the dats or something? It seems like a highly inefficient way to do this, although I know nothing about programming.

In full favor of this :) please!

As a full time BLM unhappy with the hideous color combos we often get stuck wearing: YES PLEASE!!!

Agreed. I got a real nice looking piece of armor while leveling to 60, and thought this could be good for glamor. Dyed it dalamud red and half the armor turned pink. That seems to be the best SE can do right now. They started it when they allowed us to dye darklight gear. Automatically dying secondary parts a different shade than the main color but it doesnt really work out very well. Especially when i want red and half of it turns pink.

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Originally Posted by Altena

Is each piece of gear with every possible dye combination stored in the dats or something? It seems like a highly inefficient way to do this, although I know nothing about programming.

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Not really, but if you look at the gear "data" as an excel sheet or something, we currently have one field for "dye", which would be blank (or NULL) if the gear isn't dyed or is undyeable. But to add secondary dye colour, you'd need another column/field for "dye2" -- whether the gear could be dyed or not. It might not seem like a lot of information added to the item, but if you consider the amount of items, it could add up.

So I understand that this is something that would cost them resources. On the other hand... I think it's something that would be worth it. I don't know how many times my flatmate and FC mate has complained about how "all" caster gear has red details -- she always goes for a blue colour scheme due to favourite colour, and the red details simply means her choices are more limited. If dyeable gear could have two dyes, then maybe those red details could be dyed into some other colour, and her problem would be solved.
Also, the Riviera dress for women... the only part that dyes on it is the skirt. If you'd like a green or blue or purple bodice? Sucks to be you =/

It really does sound like this game's underlying architecture is really poorly designed if they can't "afford" to add more character creation options and dyes due to this nebulous concept of "too much character data."

Then there was the ridiculous "we take a backup of every character and their entire inventory every 5-10 seconds" statement explaining why we can't have more bag space.

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Originally Posted by Altena

Those that care about it most likely want it.

Give us the ability to use 2 different dyes on one piece of gear.

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IMO... The (upgraded) tomes gear has always been dyeable, but the "green" gear from dungeons has never been dyeable (in my experience) nor has the blue gear from Crystal Tower.

It seems unreasonable to me to not be able to dye everything. Like I could understand it maybe requiring 3 dyes (eg cloth, metal and leather) to accomplish.

Like if you were to bring up the dye screen it should let you "eyedrop" part of what you're wearing, and basically go:
Cloth A - COLOR
Cloth B - COLOR
Leather A - COLOR

Allowing you to dye whichever part you eye dropped assuming it can be broken down into that many elements.

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Originally Posted by Atrayl

It really does sound like this game's underlying architecture is really poorly designed if they can't "afford" to add more character creation options and dyes due to this nebulous concept of "too much character data."

Then there was the ridiculous "we take a backup of every character and their entire inventory every 5-10 seconds" statement explaining why we can't have more bag space.

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That was from Yoshi-P IIRC, and custom colors is simply 3 bytes (RGB), or mapped to a palette that the game client already has. either way, it's not identical to the inventory issue.

The inventory issue has a lot to do with being able to move/consume objects, and gear durability/spiritbond in that "5-10 seconds", and if too much time passes, people will find ways of duplicating gear through server crashes. The worst thing that would happen in a "rollback" with dyes would be having to dye everything again.

PLEASE, I have wanted this for the longest time. Many other games have the ability, including crappy f2p games, so it feels a little silly that FFXIV doesn't allow for it.

I'd love to see all the old gear revamped to be dyed better... Though I don't think SE will ever do that lol.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

PLEASE, I have wanted this for the longest time. Many other games have the ability, including crappy f2p games, so it feels a little silly that FFXIV doesn't allow for it.

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There are thousands and thousands of different features that MMOs have, its impossible (even for a subscription based game) to include them all even if it wanted to.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

There are thousands and thousands of different features that MMOs have, its impossible (even for a subscription based game) to include them all even if it wanted to.

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I hardly think that adding a secondary dye colour when it's evident that there are multiple sections already on a piece of gear (such as stubborn greens or yellows that you can't get rid of even with dye, or 2-tone that become 1-tone such as the new Law gear), is such a huge expectation.

Again, I am no programmer but it hardly seems like a challenge to say "ok this section of the gear is controlled by dye 1, and this section is controlled by dye 2". To me it seems like a pretty big character design flaw when there is such little customization on the dyes currently.

YESS ive wanted this for so long please square consider it!! it would improve character gear variety soso much

Of all the things I want, this is the thing I want the most.

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Originally Posted by Altena

I hardly think that adding a secondary dye colour when it's evident that there are multiple sections already on a piece of gear (such as stubborn greens or yellows that you can't get rid of even with dye, or 2-tone that become 1-tone such as the new Law gear), is such a huge expectation.

Again, I am no programmer but it hardly seems like a challenge to say "ok this section of the gear is controlled by dye 1, and this section is controlled by dye 2". To me it seems like a pretty big character design flaw when there is such little customization on the dyes currently.

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While I'd love this, I don't see it happening. As someone said before, it would require 3 bytes (one for each color value) to be added to a dyeable item (more if they implement tertiary dyes etc.) which I suppose by itself doesn't sound big at all. Now consider adding this to every single dyeable item, for every single character, and you are suddenly looking at a big data increase. Considering that this is stored server-side (I think) it'll be a substantial increase of data for every single character in the game which could lead to more unstable servers, so unless the improve their server architecture or the way they store their data, it's probably for the best if it doesn't happen (sadly). This is assuming they store it in a database of some sorts, but ye

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Originally Posted by Atrayl

Then there was the ridiculous "we take a backup of every character and their entire inventory every 5-10 seconds" statement explaining why we can't have more bag space.

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Also, just wanted to point out that while this argument really does make sense, the whole notion of backing up data every 10 seconds is ridiculous, especially since that's what gobbles up tons of data. Once a minute would be more than enough imo, but that's just me.

When i first looked at the BRD/MCH Law chest, it looked hideous. Black on white with deep blue armor plates on the black portion.
I figured when i was able to dye it, I'd try and bring out that armor plate to be visible. I had hoped the black portion was the dye able part, but it turned out to be the white side.

Turns out, Crimson ended up being a really good combination there, But it'd be damnably nice if we had 2 color channels for all gear. Just break it down into "Main Color" and "Accent Color".

Edit: Though i will say a heartfelt thank you to the art team for letting me dye the aether ammo box thingy along with my Gun.

Needs to happen yes!

Please implement SE
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Originally Posted by Altena

I hardly think that adding a secondary dye colour when it's evident that there are multiple sections already on a piece of gear (such as stubborn greens or yellows that you can't get rid of even with dye, or 2-tone that become 1-tone such as the new Law gear), is such a huge expectation.

Again, I am no programmer but it hardly seems like a challenge to say "ok this section of the gear is controlled by dye 1, and this section is controlled by dye 2". To me it seems like a pretty big character design flaw when there is such little customization on the dyes currently.

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You might be right, the intent of my post was only to point out the error of an argument.

But :D I do enjoy playing Devil's Advocate.

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Again, I am no programmer...I hardly think that adding a secondary dye...is such a huge expectation.

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Imagine you were building a house. Blueprints are delivered to you and you pour the foundation, raise the walls, build a roof, drywall, paint, etc...and then someone tells you that they'd like an additional room in the heart of the house. That additional room is no more difficult to build than any other room, but because its so late into construction it would require more work on a massive scale. You now have to undo much of what you've already done. Had you planned for it for in the beginning it wouldn't have been as difficult, but now after the fact, that one room could entail more work than building the entire house.

That's what its like sometimes adding in features to video games. It might not seem so different than what they already have, but under the surface it can be very difficult. For example, the 1.0 dungeons like AV and Cutter's Cry don't seem any different to us players, but how they were built is so different than how dungeons in 2.0 were designed that Yoshi said in a live letter that they wouldn't be getting hard modes because of this. To us, there's no reason they couldn't, but to the developers it isn't worth the effort to deal with the old design.

They would also have to go back and adjust every single item to accommodate this new feature. They'd have to specify where the 2nd dye would effect on every single piece of armor, which is over 3,000 head, chest, hand, leg, and feet items according to ffxivdb. Mind you, many of those are not dyable now, but its probably safe to say they would have to adjust more than a thousand items.

The idea is great, but these features that we might ask for in seconds could sometimes be projects that go on for months to the developers. I'd get lots of use out of this feature to be sure, but I can understand why the devs would choose not to include it in the game (even if they wanted to). They have limited resources and have to juggle them between everything that needs done. In short, this request (and most) are huge expectations.

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Originally Posted by Altena

I hardly think that adding a secondary dye colour when it's evident that there are multiple sections already on a piece of gear (such as stubborn greens or yellows that you can't get rid of even with dye, or 2-tone that become 1-tone such as the new Law gear), is such a huge expectation.

Again, I am no programmer but it hardly seems like a challenge to say "ok this section of the gear is controlled by dye 1, and this section is controlled by dye 2". To me it seems like a pretty big character design flaw when there is such little customization on the dyes currently.

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The problem is not a programming issue, it's a time issue.

The sections of gear are controlled in a very irregular way. The textures are a mix of color control maps and standard diffuse color maps. The color control maps are pointers to color palettes that are specific to each object and are then multiplied over a flat grayscale map.

This system is incredibly irregular. To put it bluntly, most objects have more than one pointer already but they're defined in multiple (and, again, irregular) ways in reference to each color used from the color map. Some objects would need a new, additional texture map in order to accomodate secondary dyes. Most of them as far as I'm aware wouldn't, but they would still require the artists to manually check each and every map, rewrite the old dye pointers and write the new ones. This would have to be done manually, per object.

It can be done (and would probably be easier if limited just to new items and applied retroactively in batches) but it wouldn't happen in a finger snap.