Malefic clarification question

I want to make sure I am not missing anything with Malefic II ability. As SMN, Ruin I and Ruin II both had their uses. However, Malefic II just seems to be a complete upgrade to Malefic I with a little bit more mp cost added in. Am I missing something, or should I replace Malefic I with Malefic II on my casting bar?

The question is why wouldn't you? Malefic II is suppose to be our bread and butter nuke upgrade over the summoner/scholar line which was for different uses. Applying a blind debuff and having some mobile dps at the cost of higher mana.

Welcome to AST's world : where most of the spells make no sense. (hello gravity that does not have a secondary effect, etc)

Yeah i don't use Malefic I ever.

Astrologian job is not suppose to have much utility applied to our damage dealing abilities. Our utility is suppose to be in our healing versatility and support spells. Our spells do make sense.

I just look at malefic 2 as stone 2 and stella as stone 1. Unless i'm lvl synced in a dungeon then malefic 1 is stone 1...

As cool as Stella is, I kind of wish its utility had been given to Malefic and in its place we got an AoE damage spell that we could use for level 50 content or an ability to boost healing potency.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

As cool as Stella is, I kind of wish its utility had been given to Malefic and in its place we got an AoE damage spell that we could use for level 50 content or an ability to boost healing potency.

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Or make stella another DoT or something. Stella as it is now is pretty useless unless you really need that heavy.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Astrologian job is not suppose to have much utility applied to our damage dealing abilities. Our utility is suppose to be in our healing versatility and support spells. Our spells do make sense.

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No they don't. You can't name a spell Gravity and make it do only damage. It's just dumb. The spell is named GRAVITY ffs -_- That does not make any sense.

And afaik, we're the only class that has a spell that becomes completely useless at max level (Malefic I).

Nocturnal sect is useless. And speaking of which : more non sense => time dilatation is like 50% less effective in noct stance, collective unconscious (lol.)

But ok, our spell makes sense. I guess the fact that our lvl 60 spell removes food buff also make sense to you eh ?

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

No they don't. You can't name a spell Gravity and make it do only damage. It's just dumb. The spell is named GRAVITY ffs -_- That does not make any sense.

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Dealing a quarter of the enemy's HP is ludicrous. So, do you want a damage spell, or a spell that becomes useless against everything?

Malefec is Stone 2, Malefec 2 is Stone 3, a flat upgrade. OR: Malefec is Ruin, Malefec 2 is Broil.

1 is more efficient, but not generally to the point you wouldn't use 2. There's a few times I've used it, since it's on my bar anyway for easy swapping if I get level synched out of II. Generally if I'm solo and I went to gravity happy. But you'd probably never need to worry about it in a group since if you start to run low on mp and your luminous aethermajig isn't up you just hold off on attacking altogether.

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Originally Posted by AmewKitsune

Dealing a quarter of the enemy's HP is ludicrous. So, do you want a damage spell, or a spell that becomes useless against everything?

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Holy stuns. SCH can bane/miasma2/shadowflare (shadowflare reduces attack speed = damage and utility in one spell) meanwhile gravity costs 100000000000000 mana and only deals the same amount of damage as holy.

ok

yeah btw broil and ruin are both useful because broil costs 3 times as much mana for 2 times as much dmg, so sometimes you dont actually want to use it.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

Well

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Do you realize the GRAVITY of TIME DIALATION. Here is food for thought...cast Aspected Helios and then cast Aspected Benefic, followed by Time Dialation. Yep extends your HoTs by 15 seconds on the tank (I only use Time Dialation for the tank). Also Nocturnal sect is not useless it comes in very handy for fights that have a lot of AOE coming at you and your party.

What's the big deal in increasing hots by 15 sec ? You use a fucking long CD just for that. There's nothing strong about that.

And no. Nocturnal sect is garbage. Most of our spells in nocturnal are even worse than they are in diurnal. If you want to mitigate damage you take a SCH. SCH is like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stronger than Nocturnal.

Always use Diurnal.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

What?.

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You don't know what you are talking about. No nocturnal is not garbage you in no way shape or form have any proof that its garbage. Used it many times in certain situations and works fine. You clearly know nothing about Astro, so your feedback is worthless at best. Also whats the big deal in increasing our HoTs...oh I don't know, those HoTs are part of our bread and butter....coupled with good cards its very easy to heal through ANY current content this game has. I am specifically challenging you to prove me wrong. Don't speak in here unless you know what you're talking about. Clearly you don't know. Do you even have an Astor to 60 yet? If not disregard this post...your just fodder.

Edit: Bole > Nocturnal Collective Unconscious. Not to mention if you extend the duration. So yeah clearly you don't understand Nocturnal healing at all. Both stances are situation based.

Using time dialation on a tank after both regens and bole is so sexy, also the aoe flashy move (forgot name) adds another 5 seconds. Saying a 39/50 second pair of regens on the tank doesn't matter is just ignorant. Stop being bias with whm/sch and realize astro's potential.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Using time dialation on a tank after both regens and bole is so sexy, also the aoe flashy move (forgot name) adds another 5 seconds. Saying a 39/50 second pair of regens on the tank doesn't matter is just ignorant. Stop being bias with whm/sch and realize astro's potential.

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Celestial Opposition is the stun that adds 5 seconds

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

And afaik, we're the only class that has a spell that becomes completely useless at max level (Malefic I).

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Bard - Quick Nock
Dragoon - Impulse Drive
Paladin - Shield Swipe
Monk - One llm punch
WHM - Stone 1... Stone 2 also if you want to count heavensward since Stone3 exists

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Using time dialation on a tank after both regens and bole is so sexy, also the aoe flashy move (forgot name) adds another 5 seconds. Saying a 39/50 second pair of regens on the tank doesn't matter is just ignorant. Stop being bias with whm/sch and realize astro's potential.

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It doesn't matter, because you can recast the hots(One of which you need to recast anyway so the rest of the party has it). Now if the tank has bole that's fine, because extending bole on a hard fight is a good use of time dilation. Extending the tanks hots on top of that is just gravy. But you should always be dilating cards, JUST using it to extend hots is a tremendous waste.

Malefic I & II have different MP costs. Use I if you're concerned about MP otherwise use II, I believe that's the intended purpose for having both.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

It doesn't matter.

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You're right and when Bole is up I TD it, but when I don't get Bole, I TD my HoTs. Also if you're casting apsected Helios properly its a moot point. ie: you should't be casting it unless you expect aoe dmg and toss a Aspected Bene on each person as well in prep for aoe dmg. Otherwise you are over healing, and there in lies the mana issue most people are faced with. TD is on a 90 second timer which is nothing because even most trash fights are that or a little less. I'd rather TD my HoTs as well as it actually does conserve mana...means I am not casting Hots on the tank as often. Also at level 60 with full ilvl 170 and 180 weapon my HoTs tick for an insane amount. Pair that with CU at the right time, and nobody is going to die. For the record I have had cu crit for 1400.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

It doesn't matter, because you can recast the hots(One of which you need to recast anyway so the rest of the party has it). Now if the tank has bole that's fine, because extending bole on a hard fight is a good use of time dilation. Extending the tanks hots on top of that is just gravy. But you should always be dilating cards, JUST using it to extend hots is a tremendous waste.

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90% of the time I'd say Im using dialation on balance or arrow on my highest parsing dps. But if i know I'll be dodging alot of mechanics soon or just not able to fully focus the tank, I'll dialate the Hots on my MT. Saying it doesn't matter cause you can recast them is kind of silly (takes time on the GCD not allowing you to cure). Could say astro's lower potency doesn't matter cause you can cast twice... but no one will. It basically doubles the potency of your regens, costing no mp. But overall its obviously best to assess the situation and use dialation where its going to do the most good, which often isnt the regens.

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Originally Posted by Donarudo

bla bla bla mad talk bla bka bka

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XD someone needs to get some air from the looks of it.

So I repeat : nocturnal is garbage. Diurnal is better in every shape or form.

Secondly : increasing the duration of the hots is not that big of a deal because : the aspected helios hot you'll want to refresh on your party member so extending it on the tank means nothing. Also, increasing the aspected benefit hot is not a big of a deal since aspected has no cd so you can still reapply it manually. And no, the mana saved is not what's gonna make a difference. THE ONLY TIME where extending the duration of the hots is really great is when you extend the hots you used with a healing increase since it snapshots. But it's situational.

So like I said, not a big deal. Where did I ever said that bole was weaker than Collective Unconscious ?

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Originally Posted by Chairman_Meow

Bard - Quick Nock
Dragoon - Impulse Drive
Paladin - Shield Swipe
Monk - One llm punch
WHM - Stone 1... Stone 2 also if you want to count heavensward since Stone3 exists

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Yup, someone already corrected me. My bad.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

It doesn't matter, because you can recast the hots(One of which you need to recast anyway so the rest of the party has it). Now if the tank has bole that's fine, because extending bole on a hard fight is a good use of time dilation. Extending the tanks hots on top of that is just gravy. But you should always be dilating cards, JUST using it to extend hots is a tremendous waste.

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+1

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

Yep

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Your ignorance really shows in this thread. My argument with you is over. Can't fix stupid I suppose.

Ah the classic "i don't have anything to say so i'm gonna call you stupid !"

:')

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

Nocturnal sect is garbage..

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Are you KIDDING me????? Instant cast shields from Aspected Benefic in Nocturnal are LIFE SAVERS. I can't tell you how many times I've saved someone from not making it out of an AoE, a tank hanging by a thread, or even myself. Yes, Diurnal is great and all, but Nocturnal most definitely has its uses. Plus, Nocturnal adds a 5% healing boost which actually is noticeable. I'm also going to add that um... not every fight has a Scholar.

Like I said, the shield is so bad. The hots from Diurnal are way better. Yeah you saved them... you could have save them aswell in diurnal.

I healed and kileld both bismarck ex and ravana ex with a whm while in diurnal stance. The stackings hots are way too good to pass. If there is a fight where you really need shields.. just take a scholar. Ast is never ever gonna be taken for its nocturnal sect. It's just that bad.

Not only does it not stack with SCH's shields, the shiels cannot crit...

Diurnal >>>>>>>>>>> Nocturnal.

The 5% increase potency is great and dandy, but it does not make up for the hots or the increased cast speed.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

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I honestly have to agree.
Why don't you use Nocturnal Sect when you're with a SCH? Because shields don't stack.
Why don't you use Dirunal Sect when you're with a WHM? Because that seems intuitive, but it's also kind of wrong.