What are the ancient ruins on Azys Lla? [SPOILERS]

If you explore Azys Lla you'll soon spot remnants of some anicent civilization that are very clearly not Allagan in origin.

At first I wondered if these were more of the ancient structures built by man and dragon prior to the Dragonsong War but that civilization rose after the fall of Allag. The mechanical structures of Azys Lla are integrated into the ancient ruins so the facility was clearly built on top of these ruins; they predate Allag.

Do we have any knowledge to indicate what civilization these ruins belong to? Are they possibly linked to the Warring Triad?

Almost everything not Allag was the former nation of dragons. The Allagans invaded and slaughtered them all and captured the rest while doing nasty experiments on them and their land.

I may have a clue, if you do some side quests from the nodes. They said something about miqotes, and we all know they are from meracydia but i cant confirm that beacuse I'm a miqote so it could be that he change his text depending on what race is our character.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Almost everything not Allag was the former nation of dragons. The Allagans invaded and slaughtered them all and captured the rest while doing nasty experiments on them and their land.

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I'm not so sure about this. Are the dragons actually capable of building structures such as these? All of the draconic architecture we've seen so far was built with the assistance of the mortal races and there are several quests in the Dravanian Forelands that imply the dragons are incapable of dextrous tasks on their own.

Is there anything in the game to specifically confirm these ruins on Azys Lla as draconic?

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I may have a clue, if you do some side quests from the nodes. They said something about miqotes, and we all know they are from meracydia but i cant confirm that beacuse I'm a miqote so it could be that he change his text depending on what race is our character.

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Seems they just say what race your character is. For me it said lalafell, I can't remember seeing any mention of Mi´qote.

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Originally Posted by CosmicLin

Such as the Cathedral? If you pay attention to the texture's you'll see that the symbol of Azeyma is all over it. This is common in Belah'dian structures, but I feel like it's much more likely that the Cathedral was taken from Meracydia and was once a place of worship for the Seekers of the Sun

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I always wonder what happened to miqotes during the invasion of the allags and how they managed to survive. All I could think of is that they surrender inmediatly after seeing what happened to the dragons.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

If you explore Azys Lla you'll soon spot remnants of some anicent civilization that are very clearly not Allagan in origin.

At first I wondered if these were more of the ancient structures built by man and dragon prior to the Dragonsong War but that civilization rose after the fall of Allag. The mechanical structures of Azys Lla are integrated into the ancient ruins so the facility was clearly built on top of these ruins; they predate Allag.

Do we have any knowledge to indicate what civilization these ruins belong to? Are they possibly linked to the Warring Triad?

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Where on Azys Lla exactly are they?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Where on Azys Lla exactly are they?

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Check the map, there is a place called "Catheral", that is where those ruins are

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Check the map, there is a place called "Catheral", that is where those ruins are

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Not just the cathedral. If you look closely the ruins are all over the entire region. There's the remnants of an old aqueduct in the southwest, random old stone columns here and there and old stone paving sticking up out of the dirt everywhere. Azys Lla is entirely built on some kind of ruin.

Given the way the Flagship is positioned in the centre and the land has split into four quadrants around it my current guess is that the ruin used to house the Warring Triad. Assuming that the Triad works the same way as they do in FFVI, whereby disturbing their relative positions to break the formation would bring destruction, I would guess the Allagans came from beneath the island launching the Flagship up through the middle of the Triad and capturing all three of them at once, shattering the island in the process. That would be the only feasible way of moving them without disrupting the formation.

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Originally Posted by CosmicLin

Such as the Cathedral? If you pay attention to the texture's you'll see that the symbol of Azeyma is all over it. This is common in Belah'dian structures, but I feel like it's much more likely that the Cathedral was taken from Meracydia and was once a place of worship for the Seekers of the Sun

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All those times I joked about the Allagans enslaving the Miqo'te of Meracydia were exactly that: jokes. The last thing I want to be true is for our part-Allagan Seeker friend to be descended from a Seeker male who pledged the servitude of his bloodline for all eternity to the princess as thanks for her releasing him from slavery. Seems as likely a scenario as any from what we know so far, though.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

All those times I joked about the Allagans enslaving the Miqo'te of Meracydia were exactly that: jokes. The last thing I want to be true is for our part-Allagan Seeker friend to be descended from a Seeker male who pledged the servitude of his bloodline for all eternity to the princess as thanks for her releasing him from slavery. Seems as likely a scenario as any from what we know so far, though.

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Sadly, after everything we've seen of the Allag, especially on Azys Lla, I think it's safe to say that if you weren't explicitly a hyur or elezen from the Great Continents, you were in extreme danger of "rough treatment" at best from the main body politic of Allagan society. I have several ideas of what must have happened to the Meracydian Miqo'te, and none of them are particularly happy scenarios.

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Originally Posted by StarDrake

Sadly, after everything we've seen of the Allag, especially on Azys Lla, I think it's safe to say that if you weren't explicitly a hyur or elezen from the Great Continents, you were in extreme danger of "rough treatment" at best from the main body politic of Allagan society. I have several ideas of what must have happened to the Meracydian Miqo'te, and none of them are particularly happy scenarios.

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And 5000 yeas later, one of their descendents entombs himself in the monument that powered the subjugation of his ancestors' homeland, in order to carry the Allagans' beautiful ideals into the future. I'm beginning to think all the Allagans' creations run off of pure irony.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

And 5000 yeas later, one of their descendents entombs himself in the monument that powered the subjugation of his ancestors' homeland, in order to carry the Allagans' beautiful ideals into the future. I'm beginning to think all the Allagans' creations run off of pure irony.

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Even if they turned to be slaves, they survived. At least from my point of view, our treatment was as bad as fro the dragons >_>. Probably just house servidute servants? who knows.
Also lets all remember that according to the miqote lore, the ancestors come from meracya during the Ice age or rather called the 5th umbral era.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

And 5000 yeas later, one of their descendents entombs himself in the monument that powered the subjugation of his ancestors' homeland, in order to carry the Allagans' beautiful ideals into the future. I'm beginning to think all the Allagans' creations run off of pure irony.

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To be honest, I don't really think Allag became as it is up until Xande resumed power. Azys Lla was put into the air just before the Empire fell. We know from the Crystal Tower quest chain that Xande went full psycho as soon as he was resurrected, and he got worse over time, to the point that members of the royal family were out to get him.

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Originally Posted by LystAP

To be honest, I don't really think Allag became as it is up until Xande resumed power. Azys Lla was put into the air just before the Empire fell. We know from the Crystal Tower quest chain that Xande went full psycho as soon as he was resurrected, and he got worse over time, to the point that members of the royal family were out to get him.

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And Xande was resurrected why? You don't become a world-spanning empire on good intentions alone, and it was the fear of losing that that motivated them to resurrect Xande in the first place. And for all intents and purposes, it worked. There was always something fundamentally broken about the Allagan Empire; Xande was just honest about it.