Question about Midgarsormr (Post Heavensward spoilers)

After all is said and done, Midgarsormr says what he needs to say in regards to how man and dragon will need a lot of time to and he flies off. Does that imply he is done with his duties and no longer needs to shadow the Warrior of Light or is it one of those "Yo, call me when ya need me" sort of deals?

I took it more as a "I'll be watching" thing, myself.

I think flying away was just more dramatic than going back in my bag.

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

I took it more as a "I'll be watching" thing, myself.

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This, definitely.

He's now your ally.

Sweet, he's my homeboy :D

What of his daughter Tiamat, I really want to save that poor thing.

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Originally Posted by Mokikoza

What of his daughter Tiamat, I really want to save that poor thing.

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I feel like well have to eventually, after the Warrior of Darkness shows up OR Nidhogg starts to go really insane (maybe trying to do what happened to Bahamut to his dead sister).

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Originally Posted by Mokikoza

What of his daughter Tiamat, I really want to save that poor thing.

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I guess we can't save her from her own self-pity, much as Estinien said of Lady Iceheart.
It was really sad to see though. Reminded me to some extent of the water dragon in Jade Empire.

I can see us freeing tiamat, so that she can attone for her sins. The only reason she stays locked up is for self punishment so this is away to make up for that

Could you imagine if we had freed her before the end of Coil? Seeing her suddenly show up to help put her hubby down would have been great.

Most likely Midgarsomr will still pop up in the story, but since we both showed men and dragon could regain peace with each other, as well as regained the Crystal's blessing, he doesn't need to shadow us anymore. Though whether next time we see him he'll be even bigger is still a possible thing.

Also there is absolutely no way that Tiamat won't play some sorta role in the story later on. Probably with us freeing her, but possibly not (Garlean intervention being the most likely second option)

Not up to date with the story yet, but could someone explain to me who and what's the deal with Tiamat?

As a secondary note, just for clarification, is Bahamut Midgardsormr's child? I remember seeing something that suggested otherwise, but I can't remember for sure.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

Not up to date with the story yet, but could someone explain to me who and what's the deal with Tiamat?

As a secondary note, just for clarification, is Bahamut Midgardsormr's child? I remember seeing something that suggested otherwise, but I can't remember for sure.

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Well, you'd find this out at level 59, but Tiamat is Midgardsormr's daughter and is imprisoned on Azys Lla. She asked for her beloved, Bahamut, to be reincarnated but the monster that he came back as was not the [man] she loved. As a result she is remorseful and believes her current fate is fitting. When Midgardsormr asks her when she will forgive herself, she seems to imply she never can.

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Originally Posted by Kauthryn

Well, you'd find this out at level 59, but Tiamat is Midgardsormr's daughter and is imprisoned on Azys Lla. She asked for her beloved, Bahamut, to be reincarnated but the monster that he came back as was not the [man] she loved. As a result she is remorseful and believes her current fate is fitting. When Midgardsormr asks her when she will forgive herself, she seems to imply she never can.

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You kind of left out that the reason she was able to get Bahamut back was because she consorted with the Ascians, who in turn taught the Allagan Empire how to capture the reborn Bahamut just to screw with Tiamat further. The Bahamut she summoned is the same primal that we all know and "love" today. We are never shown or told how the original Bahamut was like.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

You kind of left out that the reason she was able to get Bahamut back was because she consorted with the Ascians, who in turn taught the Allagan Empire how to capture the reborn Bahamut just to screw with Tiamat further. The Bahamut she summoned is the same primal that we all know and "love" today. We are never shown or told how the original Bahamut was like.

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I said the pertinent parts. So no, I didn't leave anything out so much as that wasn't needed for who she was.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

As a secondary note, just for clarification, is Bahamut Midgardsormr's child? I remember seeing something that suggested otherwise, but I can't remember for sure.

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In the conversation with Tiamat it's confirmed Bahamut was Midgardsormr's son and Tiamat's beloved.
Dragon incest, aww yeaa.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

In the conversation with Tiamat it's confirmed Bahamut was Midgardsormr's son and Tiamat's beloved.
Dragon incest, aww yeaa.

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I know you're joking, but beloved is also fine to describe a sibling you're close with :P

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I know you're joking, but beloved is also fine to describe a sibling you're close with :P

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I mean, I said it jokingly but it is the truth. It wasn't unclear.
The two of them birthed children and populated the region to create the nation of Meracydia.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I know you're joking, but beloved is also fine to describe a sibling you're close with :P

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To be fair, we're talking about dragons.

Dragons are known to mate with everything. And everyone. And each other, regardless of relation.

Not to mention, as far as we're aware, they're all descended from Middy right? That means they're *all* related, regardless.

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I'll transcribe it and people can decide for themselves, but I thought it was pretty clear.
Midgardsormr came to the planet (space dragon) with seven eggs, when they grew up they went off to different regions to populate them.

Here's the transcription

Tiamat: Harken to my tale, child of man. I am Tiamat, pf Midgardsormr's first brood.
Tiamat: In a time before time, my father did come to this star, bearing seven eggs.
Midgardsormr: From these eggs did my children hatch. And once they were full grown, they took wing and spread across all the lands of Hydaelyn.
Tiamat: Together with my brood-brother Bahamut, I journeyed south to Meracydia. And together, we brought forth innumerable children unto the world.
Tiamat: We abided in peace, and all was well...until the men of Allag came, some five thousand years since. They slaughtered my children in droves and took from me my beloved Bahamut.

The dragons of Meracydia were all her children (and she brought those children together with Bahamut). All dragons come from Midgardsomr.
I don't think this is read any other way.


On another note, I think this might imply that Ratatoskr wasn't just Nidhogg's sister but his mate as well.
His rage would be justified either way, but this adds another layer to it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 6 of the first brood all paired off while Hraesvelgr was the odd one out. But he found companionship with Shiva.

Well that last part is speculation, but the Ratatoskr being Nidhogg's mate is very likely in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

To be fair, we're talking about dragons.

Dragons are known to mate with everything. And everyone. And each other, regardless of relation.

Not to mention, as far as we're aware, they're all descended from Middy right? That means they're *all* related, regardless.

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Dragons for this game or dragons in general?

I guessed the trapped dragon would be Tiamat as soon as I saw it. Its vague connection to Bahamut is tradition in FF.

So the remaining two dragons are probably Shinryu and ????

Any guesses for the last one? Omega perhaps, or trapped inside it?

Omega was confirmed to be a weapon like Ultima, so very unlikely that it's connected to the 7 children in that regard.

Whilst Midgardsormr does claim the seven of the First Brood to be his children it's actually possible he is not their biological father. Tiamat says, "In a time before time, my father did come to this star, bearing seven eggs." and to me that leaves open the very distinct possibility that they were not his eggs. Up until now we'd also assumed that Hydaelyn created Midgardsormr but we now know this not to be true... This has actually left us with some new questions regarding the origins of the dragons. Just where did Midgardsormr come from?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Omega was confirmed to be a weapon like Ultima, so very unlikely that it's connected to the 7 children in that regard.

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Bio weapons weapons are a big part of the Allagan.
I'm not saying Omega has something to do with the 7, but it's not a stretch it's some kind of dragon-machine hybrid (or at least dragon powered) and that was controlled by the Allagans.
As in, it might be a weapon like Ultima, but there could be a dragon trapped inside being controlled or having its power constantly drained.
They weaponize creatures as a matter of practice (Twintania and too many others to count), so it's kind of their thing.


But yea, complete speculation at that point. I guess the only reason to think so is because Omega usually looks like some kind of mecha Chimera.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Whilst Midgardsormr does claim the seven of the First Brood to be his children it's actually possible he is not their biological father. Tiamat says, "In a time before time, my father did come to this star, bearing seven eggs." and to me that leaves open the very distinct possibility that they were not his eggs. Up until now we'd also assumed that Hydaelyn created Midgardsormr but we now know this not to be true... This has actually left us with some new questions regarding the origins of the dragons. Just where did Midgardsormr come from?

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Yea, it'll be interesting to get more details. But hey we might be going to the moon soon and we've already seen Hydaelin from Space as of the new storyline.

On the first point, that's certainly possible. I think him saying he's their father and that Tiamat said "Midgardsormr's First Brood" is enough to consider him the biological father for now.

It leaves enough room to call that into question, but not enough to assume otherwise right now.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Dragons for this game or dragons in general?

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Dragons in general. Mostly anything derived from D&D, which most games today have elements of, including FF series. First time I saw last boss in Tam-Tara I went "Illithid!"

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

I mean, I said it jokingly but it is the truth. It wasn't unclear.
The two of them birthed children and populated the region to create the nation of Meracydia.

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http://i.imgur.com/BHj0S5I.jpg

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Dragons in general. Mostly anything derived from D&D, which most games today have elements of, including FF series. First time I saw last boss in Tam-Tara I went "Illithid!"

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And people like to make fun of furries? lol

Anyway, I kinda didn't get that vibe in this game, but maybe it's just me.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Dragons in general. Mostly anything derived from D&D, which most games today have elements of, including FF series. First time I saw last boss in Tam-Tara I went "Illithid!"

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The only time we get a sense of dragons mating with non-dragons outside of the Holy See's story about Shiva is the Fate in Morn that has a boss Syricta that is stated to be half-man half-dragon. It may simply be a cross breed of a heretic-turned-Aevis and a dragon, since those Syricta aren't welcome in Morn. That's the way I interpreted them anyway.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Whilst Midgardsormr does claim the seven of the First Brood to be his children it's actually possible he is not their biological father. Tiamat says, "In a time before time, my father did come to this star, bearing seven eggs." and to me that leaves open the very distinct possibility that they were not his eggs. Up until now we'd also assumed that Hydaelyn created Midgardsormr but we now know this not to be true... This has actually left us with some new questions regarding the origins of the dragons. Just where did Midgardsormr come from?

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Perhaps he came from the constellation of the World Tree, the Bole. Might also explain why the Burning Heart had the circle of life printed on its standard round battle platform.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

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I'll transcribe it and people can decide for themselves, but I thought it was pretty clear.
Midgardsormr came to the planet (space dragon) with seven eggs, when they grew up they went off to different regions to populate them.

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Which throws open another question:

Who or what was the "Mother Dragon"?

Yeah Middi did it with a Crystal!!!! trololololol! No seriously did he mate with hydaelyn? Xd

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Yeah Middi did it with a Crystal!!!! trololololol! No seriously did he mate with hydaelyn? Xd

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Well, he already had the eggs before he got to Hydaelyn, so that's highly doubtful. Wonder if there's some other threat we'll have to deal with out there in space that Midgardsormr was fleeing from... Or maybe his planet just wasn't habitable anymore.

I want to believe Midgardsormr is a hermaphrodite, because these dragons are so Norse.

So I guess dragons aren't choosy :P Maybe the myth of Shiva laying with a dragon has some pinch of truth after all.