My last thread wasn't meant to dive into a discussion about SE's comment about pet glamouring but it did. So I want to start a thread solely for that discussion.
1. Are you for a glamour system, yes/no short reason why?
With the new Trancing system, SE could give summoners more dps output and allow for new support pets to be added.
2. What ideas do you have for a new support based pet?
These should fulfill two criteria; what it brings to the table is equal in value to using any other pet and does not push another player class out of the group. (When I say equal to using a dps pet, I mean the support pet does not deal damage but instead provides benefits to the summoner or the party members equal in value to having a dps pet out.)
An example is a confusion support pet. It's skills will cause each enemy attack to deal a portion back to the caster, increase enemy attack chance to miss as long as they are in range of pet, cause slow debuff on nearby enemies etc. This will require you to manage the pets positioning.
Be creative but not overpowering. Who knows what future content designs SE will put in fights, some dungeon could have a 1000 trash mob fight...
3. Lore wise, what primals would you like to see for Trance and which for Egi's?
Please keep posts civil and provide sound reasoning if you criticize someone else's idea.
Smn Discussion; glamour v egi
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06-18-2015, 12:31 AMRomscaSmn Discussion; glamour v egi
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06-18-2015, 04:53 AMHeavensSword
I'm not a SMN, but personally am on board with the 3 egi + glamour options.
Given what the SMN pet is in this game, I feel like the new trance system can become something much more interesting.
I would rather see the main mechanic involve building Trance stacks and then spending them on powerful abilities that involve various Primals. Some skills can even be more support oriented than purely DPS. -
06-18-2015, 05:06 AMSovereignAegis
As long as the skins for the summons are nice then everything is great.
At present ifrit looks like a red nugget, garuda looks like a key-lime nugget and titan looks like a litteral flying poop. They do no justice whatsoever in any shape or form to their primals they are meant to represent.
So if the skins are done then it sounds amazing, but if we just get a blue nugget and a purple nugget that are basically indiscernable in appearance... that'd be a let down.
I speak for myself but also many of my friends who have played when I state that a lot of us were quite ... alarmed... when we found out how the amazing summons we were getting looked like playdough nuggets/literal flying poop.
Like the art team is obviously talented, there is no doubt. The game is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.... but the summons?! They are not of the same quality- and I am sure the team knows it. -
06-18-2015, 05:39 AMArkenne
I am in for the Glamours.
My SMN is barely lvl 40, so my knowledge as a SMN is quite lacking, however I can already see how it doesn't feel very summoner like and brings some concern to me. However I do not believe more Egis is not the answer.
Just like MNK can switch Fists and Healers can Stance Dance. I place my belief in that a SMN would be closer to my ideal if swapping pets was not like it is now... I mean, too expensive manawise, and too time consuming, if not with swiftcast. So its not very affordable mid-battle.
But more on topic, I think the skin for Pets would be fun if it enabled them to be glamoured as minions you have in your pocession. Having a Tank Y'Shtola or a Caster Baby Morbol would be fun to see, altho hard for your companions to tell the difference XP -
06-18-2015, 05:44 AMRhaja
Lets be honest; Carbuncle.
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06-18-2015, 06:09 AMpandabearcat
I'm in line for chibi Shiva and fat chocobo.
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06-18-2015, 07:32 AMZhamkyong
1. Aescetics are always welcome to the game. Also, it could be a way to bring more egis by that method. Summon I, II and III could be like the old FF games where each spell could have theyr summons. Even if its only visual.
2. More like having a pet only for support, something it could work may be a support action for the existing egis. We would need a "support" primal of some sort for lore purpouses for that to work.
3. It seems the new Trance power is aligned with Elder primals, so... ¿Odin, maybe? We will have to wait for the expansion to be sure. -
06-18-2015, 07:37 AMVoltaAsura
1. No. FFXIV's iteration is not at all close to what summoner actually is in the FF series. Nowhere close. Even the idea that we aren't getting new summons, but rather an ability to glamour the ones we have really depresses me.
2. IMO they should scrap egi's an use this idea of trance for all the primals - in the place of egi's. This idea essentially is what we were all told SMN was going to be in 2.0 and we were all very surprised when they eventually showed us that it was a pet job instead. We were told it would utilize the essence of the primals, this trance idea is more close to that than egi's.
3. Given my idea above, this would encompass every primal at some point or another. not just 3, or glamour. -
06-18-2015, 07:54 AMRomscaI don't see having both Trance and Egi too much of an issue. What was given at launch might have been a disappointment, but going forward from HW we have a nice mechanic to bring it back to the vision people have for summoner. Trance additions to boost dps, egi's to provide utility and support. Lessen the mp cost and cast time of the egi summon spells to allow swapping in fights. Ifrit/Garuda would be for a purer dps build and a new support type pet, which does minimal dps on it's own, would provide tactical decisions for the player. For example, using my confusion support pet in "Battle in the Big Keep" when the four dragon heads are out, they would take a chunk of damage each time they attack while the pet is alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoltaAsura
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06-18-2015, 08:01 AMVoltaAsuraI totally understand, but I guess my point was that FFXIV SMN is not a FF "summoner" at all. I personally would just love them to remove egi's and start over. I commented purely just to express my idea/thoughts and contribute to the thread. I don''t care to defend my position tbh. You may like red, but I like blue - and that's ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romsca
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06-18-2015, 08:07 AMRomsca
Volt, you do not have to defend. I didn't mean offense to you and am glad to have you voice your thoughts.
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06-18-2015, 08:08 AMVoltaAsuraNo worries at all <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Romsca
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06-18-2015, 08:04 PMNestama
I will chime in and say that "classic" Summoners/Summons from Final Fantasy games like III, IV (Black Mage), V, VI, VII, VIII, IX (White Mage) and X are pretty much flashy Black Magic spells (FFIX even takes away the summon and just keeps the effect, unless you have Boost or something). FFXI's SMN made the player completely reliant on their pets (so they did nothing most of the time, since pet skills cost MP, which was constantly ticking down. Though they were a back up WHM). FFXII had the summons run with you, though they had their own gambits (ZJS allowed you to control them, though) and FFXIII... a bit of FFXII and a bit of its own spin.
If Egi's were removed and all SMN skills were trance, you're basically asking for a Black Mage with different animations and weapon.
Example from FFIII PSP, showing Evoker and Summoner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUd-ExA8y74 -
06-18-2015, 11:12 PMAkiza
Summoner is a proxy Black Mage they cast Black Magic spells with different animations.