WHM could use more water spells =/

So, its pretty much everytime i see a mob use water spells. Im like "Why doesnt whm have that?"

We have fluid aura? I can imagine another one. There was a mob that used a skill like Drench and Dowse. It be cool to see that.

Or even a simpler version of Fluid Aura that grants a small percentage of the damage into mana? I know that WHM in parties who died and have been ress have really awful mana problems, almost or is unfair incomparison to Scholar MP Regain. They have 2-3 mana regens? And we have 1 that has a 2 minute cool down.

Because you guys already have Earth and Wind. Your half the avatar as is.

We need more avatar

It would be great if Shroud had a shorter CD or MP regen scaled with your mana pool...

I have to admit I always get jealous when I use Suiton on my Ninja. Why can't water magic look that impressive for White Mages, too? :p

Oh well, there's always next expansion. Assuming we don't get another Aero and Stone upgrade. <.<

Fluid Aura II - AoE water-aspected damage. Buff: Targets regain "that fresh feeling" for 10s.

On a related note, I always liked the water spell animations from Lineage II. Sploosh! Sploosh!

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

Because you guys already have Earth and Wind. Your half the avatar as is.

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Final Fantasy has 6 elements WHM has 3(Wind, Earth and Water), THM (Fire, Ice and Lightning) has the other 3. Originally CNJ had all 6 in V1.0 . Avatar has 5.

Generally speaking, your healing spells are considered "Water spells" from what I understand. Which is fine, you have plenty of attack options as is.

On a less related note, but still tangentially so, "Dropsy" is a really weird name for a status effect.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Fluid Aura II - AoE water-aspected damage. Buff: Targets regain "that fresh feeling" for 10s.

On a related note, I always liked the water spell animations from Lineage II. Sploosh! Sploosh!

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Even better - make it an AoE knockback.

>:3

U mean, why can't whm have more "offensive" water type spells.

Water II with an AOE knockback would be pretty sweet.

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Originally Posted by lordoftheapes79

Water II with an AOE knockback would be pretty sweet.

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I would be actively trying to murder WHMs who use this spell. I can't think of many things more rage-inducing in PvE than an AoE knockback!

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I would be actively trying to murder WHMs who use this spell. I can't think of many things more rage-inducing in PvE than an AoE knockback!

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oh I don't disagree, but I think part of the problem with the knockback of water is the distance, it shouldn't be 200 yards, it should only be a couple feet, just out of melee range. I would see this as more of the "oh shit the tanks dead I need a second to raise him" ability. That said it should also have a 5 minute cooldown. (the cooldown on water should be longer too imo)

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Generally speaking, your healing spells are considered "Water spells" from what I understand. Which is fine, you have plenty of attack options as is.

On a less related note, but still tangentially so, "Dropsy" is a really weird name for a status effect.

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I'm pretty sure FF lore states that in most cases, healing spells are considered "Holy" element, hence when they damage undead (see "Undead" statues in FF7 and attacking undead with cure in FFTactics).

nerd time over.

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Originally Posted by lordoftheapes79

oh I don't disagree, but I think part of the problem with the knockback of water is the distance, it shouldn't be 200 yards, it should only be a couple feet, just out of melee range. I would see this as more of the "oh shit the tanks dead I need a second to raise him" ability. That said it should also have a 5 minute cooldown. (the cooldown on water should be longer too imo)

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I think the problem is that Water skill is only really useful for solo play since it has a bind effect. Use it after casting DoT's to burn the target without taking as much damage/healing yourself. During party play, the Tanks just hit the target immediately, losing the effect.

A "Water II" that would make sense in the same scope would be one that has a longer cast time but has an AOE "beam" that knocks all targets in the AOE towards the targeted point (reverse cone) with a 4 second bind. Maybe call it "Tidal Wave" ... Then that gives the option for the WHM to either "buy the party time" or "setup an AOE burn" For added strategy, the extents of the cone could maybe follow the co-healer allowing a tandem cast combo.

I agree, having a "Water II" spell would be nice if it did AOE damage. I know most people found the Fluid Aura move annoying, because most healers thought by using it that it helped when really it's just annoying for the tank and dps to chase after said enemy when it's knocked back. However if used properly, I think it could benefit in dungeons. I don't use Fluid Aura very often, but there were times where it came in handy if I accidentally pulled an enemy and knocked it back in the tank's direction (if I was standing away from the group). It also helped if a ranged dps grabbed agro and I used it to knock it away from them until the tank grabbed the agro back. So, there are some good points to another water spell, if it was used at the proper time and place.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Generally speaking, your healing spells are considered "Water spells" from what I understand.

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Nope! You gain an aura around you when you cast a spell related to an element. The Blizzard spells generate white light; Fire generates red light; Thunder's purple; Stone's yellow, and Wind's green. Water's probably blue.

Cure, Cure II, etc all generate green light; they're wind-element spells.

Esuna, however, generates blue light, if I remember right. Same with Leeches. Essentially, Water appears as a cleansing element; Wind is what's used to heal. (It's been said that Astrologian will have a water-based heal, though!)

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Originally Posted by Noka

Nope! You gain an aura around you when you cast a spell related to an element. The Blizzard spells generate white light; Fire generates red light; Thunder's purple; Stone's yellow, and Wind's green. Water's probably blue.

Cure, Cure II, etc all generate green light; they're wind-element spells.

Esuna, however, generates blue light, if I remember right. Same with Leeches. Essentially, Water appears as a cleansing element; Wind is what's used to heal. (It's been said that Astrologian will have a water-based heal, though!)

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I'll like to expand on the 'cleansing' part of your post and say that it's more a support element, similar to Earth. However, whereas Earth is more "Defensive" support (Protect, Stoneskin), Water is more "Aiding" support. Current Water-aligned spells are:

Fluid Aura
Esuna
Leeches
Raise
Embrace (both faeries)
Whispering Dawn
Suiton

And we already can see from the trailers and the teaser that Benefic and Helios are water-aligned as well. I make a guess that it's a reference to the total effect of the spells being based on the stance AST is in, hence why it's not so classified as 'pure heals' but more 'aided support heals'.

Strangely enough, however, Resurrection is Wind-aligned rather than water-aligned as Raise is. We'll have to see what element Ascend is to draw a final conclusion as to what the dominant element for reviving is, but I personally feel it should be Water-aligned. (If SE trolls us and makes Ascend a Earth-aligned revive.... =__= )

I'm probably terribly mistaken but for some reason I feel Assize is a water elemental spell/ability.

With the Water Gun i feel like a squirtle but by reaching lvl60 i want to feel more like a blastoise - so give us a hydro pump! or at least a surf!

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A "Water II" that would make sense in the same scope would be one that has a longer cast time but has an AOE "beam" that knocks all targets in the AOE towards the targeted point (reverse cone) with a 4 second bind. Maybe call it "Tidal Wave" ... Then that gives the option for the WHM to either "buy the party time" or "setup an AOE burn".

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Your idea is great! Bad naming though. Whirlpool is a better name for this spell and it would be awesome for flare, shadowflare and the new aero if it was a circular aoe. The discussion is: Healer should pull every enemy towards him/herself, or should instant cast it on the ground like that freeze spell that noone uses?

By the power of white mages of yore I command to bring forth this thread back to life!!!!

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110106094057


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/235052-So-your-giving-Summoner-Akh-morn-but-your-not-giving-White-mage-any-new-water-spells.

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Snip!

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Please contribute to the topic rather than promoting your own topic that doesn't need to be necro'd where you insult people and multipost. I understand they're essentially the same topic, but this one is both not a week or more old and has more constructive debate.

On topic, my stance is still that white mages don't need more attack options- they're getting two new ones in Heavensward, and Fluid Aura falls somewhere between "Niche uses" and "Really annoying" for anyone who isn't using it. The only reason I could see getting a new offensive water spell, especially with how impotent the elemental wheel is in 2.0 and further, is if it did something besides damage that helped a white mage's kit. Preferrably something that compliments healing. Maybe a spell that moves a debuff from an ally to an enemy, or something.

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Please contribute to the topic rather than promoting your own topic that doesn't need to be necro'd where you insult people and multipost. I understand they're essentially the same topic, but this one is both not a week or more old and has more constructive debate.

On topic, my stance is still that white mages don't need more attack options- they're getting two new ones in Heavensward, and Fluid Aura falls somewhere between "Niche uses" and "Really annoying" for anyone who isn't using it. The only reason I could see getting a new offensive water spell, especially with how impotent the elemental wheel is in 2.0 and further, is if it did something besides damage that helped a white mage's kit. Preferrably something that compliments healing. Maybe a spell that moves a debuff from an ally to an enemy, or something.

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It would have been a better thread without all your white mage hate.
Your the one who was mutiposting.

And for the record, both threads are asking for the same thing so I think that justifies it.
If your stance is still that white mages don't need more attack options, well good for you, that's your opinion.

But I'm telling you now, stop harnessing me and my free speech, your not the forum police. Do it one more time and I'm reporting you for haressment.
As you said:

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You are not special.

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Guess what? Neither are you.

Lol you both look like asses tbh right now.

Chill dafuq out and move on, talia post in your thread if you wish atla spread the WHM hate if you wish.

What I always thought would be a cool water based spell is a rainy AoE. It could be both a damage and in that case would be used like Shadow Flare, or a healing one which would be like the new Asylum. Or both like Assize. Though the cool factor would be the rain effect.. Would be so amazing. Other than that I prefer holy spells.

I've always felt that water had more affinity with WHM and healing but that's just a personal aesthetic opinion. But still, WHM are suppose to be wind, earth, and water but they only have 1 water spell, one that's hardly ever used cuz its fairly underwhelming and on a cool-down.

Esuna has a very watery spell effect. I'm sure most of the Conjurer cure spells are supposed to have water affinity.