Alright, so, I have been trying to find this out forever but I can't find it. Here's my situation. The only relic I currently have is the Bard Nexus. I see lots of post saying that I continue with the zodiac to get Zeta then I get an advantage to those who don't have Zeta. But does this do anything for me if I try to main Dark Knight in Heavensward? Basically this: If I finish my Bard Zodiac, will it help me with my Dark Knight Relic weapon??
Relic come Heavensward
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06-01-2015, 06:51 AMRytlockieRelic come Heavensward
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06-01-2015, 07:06 AMDervy
No, because Dark knight won't get a Zodiac.
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06-01-2015, 10:58 AMShippuu
The simple answer is, we don't know.
It's likely just "If you finished A Zeta" then something happens. Especially since the new jobs won't have old relic weapons so it's unlikely to be BRD Zeta > BRD New Relic. But just Zeta in general > New Relic in general. -
06-01-2015, 11:02 AMFinalWolf
Maybe you can use the zeta weapon as a catalyst towards whatever new relic quest line in 3.1
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06-01-2015, 02:16 PMXenosan
I hope it'll amount to allowing the transfer of the materia scroll..
That would be a nice 'head start' for whenever they introduce that phase of the next Relic SQ.
Would most likely mean though your Bard Zeta would only profit your next Bard relic, wouldn't be unilateral.
Just a thought. Nothing has been stated on it specifically. -
06-01-2015, 02:52 PMTallonOverworld
I can't find the original post by devs but 100% there will be a + in the new relic for the current zeta owners. We still don't know however if its going to help in the first stage or in later stages.
Also, there is a rumour that maybe sometime in the future if you manage to get each relic to each maximum stage for each expansion...
Like ARR-> Zeta, HW->? ,???->??? you get the last badass relic... But it's just a thought ;) -
06-02-2015, 02:27 PMSeku
The only way having a bard Zeta would help you with a DRK zeta [if we get them], is that you'll have all stages unlocked and won't be forced to do them in order. After you get the final dungeons items now for your bard Zeta, you'd be able to take up the same quests again and just hold onto the items. Same goes for the Zodiac stones and the Alexandrites. But I don't know if we're getting a Drk zeta. iirc though, I think relic's are done and they will be introducing something new and that the current zeta users would be getting some kind of head start? In either case I'd wrap it up just for the sake of having a maxed out weapon, unless you're in a FCoB group.
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06-02-2015, 02:32 PMXenosan
See first response,
New jobs are not getting 2.x relic weapons -
06-02-2015, 05:13 PMReynhartThis is not what the OP asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenosan
Considering that new jobs won't indeed get a Zodiac weapon, I hope that any Zodiac can provide a boost to any future Relic.
Imagine like the new relic asks for a Key Item that you could obtain either by giving a Zeta or by doing the first steps of the new chains of Relic quests. -
06-02-2015, 09:05 PMJustARTificial
There is absolutely no information on the 2.X relics aside from "it will give you a boost". A "boost" can just mean that you are doing 10dps more than the other guy. A "boost" can mean that if you completed a Zeta you can skip stage 1 of a new upgrading item. The latter is everyone's fantasy with no facts to back it. The former, while horribly underplayed, is probably the hard truth.
Square Enix have been continuously making the game better for new people to get into. What the Zeta gives in 3.X, probably will not be something exclusive or game-changing. If it was, there would have been more information for it by now. -
06-03-2015, 07:49 PMMorvik358
I have to agree with Justartificial. In ARR you get a quest to talk to Rowena then are directed to Gerolt. This idea is likely where the 'boost' comes in.
At the end of Zeta, Gerolt finds something. For Heavensward, he's found it and he and Jertzol or whatever have had time to look over it while you have participated in the Dragonsong War. All you need is one Zeta, so in this scenario yes, your BRD Zeta will affect DRKs 60 Relic. Players that have not completed the Zeta step will be given a quest to aquire the item Gerolt found for Zeta. Most likely from a dungeon. Best case this will happen in the mid 50s. There may also be some 'go ask this guy' at 60, that players who finished Zeta won't need to do. -
06-03-2015, 08:06 PMTalec
Don't give too much credit to the Zeta Bonus for the new relic. You remember how the old relics started? We had to find a weapon at a beasttribe camp and kill maybe 20 mobs for it to awake.
In heavensward it's probably gonna be some super non relevant bonus like: "We need a weapon as a starting point. You have to find an old weapon in a chest at the beasttribe cam....oh wait! The weapon you are wielding could work too!" -
06-03-2015, 11:06 PMDamanexor
I wouldn't be surprised if the bonus was just a title and allowed you to bypass one stage of the upgrade process.
From a design point of view, it doesn't make sense to require people to grind level 50 content once the level cap has been raised to 60.
I am willing to bet that the new jobs will get 2.0 relics, but there will be no incentive to grind a Zeta (other than glamour) once the 3.0 relics are released. -
06-04-2015, 12:37 AMXenosanThey are not getting Zodiac weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damanexor
There will be Primals weapons added to trials for the jobs though,
The new relic in 3.0 will be easier to obtain, in 3.1 it will get it's first power-up (Zenith) stage.
The only incentives for Zeta items are already in place, Glamour and Achievement.
They haven't said anything more about how/if Zeta will provide a boost to the new Relic progression except:
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Q: If you focus on some new growth in Patch 3.1, will all of the hard work done on Zodiac Weapons be wasted?
A: It won't be a complete waste, it will of course be taken into account. We are actively working on this to make sure it happens.
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06-04-2015, 05:02 AMCeodoreI am pretty sure by now, if there was some grand huge benefit to completing a 2.0 relic weapon, they would have said so by now. Especially since doing so wouldn't drive away new players, because they wouldn't be losing anything to begin with, and current players would be more hooked, as well as some retired players might return. So yeah, the "benefit" is likely insignificant, possibly glamour material, or maybe an option to choose the skin of the weapon. They really couldn't give an entirely unique unfair advantage to people that already put in the work, because then those that are new would have significantly more pressure to have to go back and do so much old grind content before being able to actually play the new stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustARTificial
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06-04-2015, 04:28 PMReynhartSkipping a few steps for the new relics is not a "huge benefit", but it's still some time saved ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceodore
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06-04-2015, 04:49 PMKuwagami
As far as we know, owning a zodiac zeta will only allow you to buy any 2.0 relic step from gerolt for glamour purpose
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06-04-2015, 05:18 PMNutzThis may be all there is to it. I was initially thinking that somewhere around 1/2 of the initial [new] relic quest or first upgrade quest would be eased for Zeta owners, but I'm not even sure that makes much sense. The fact that a player acquired a Zeta weapon shows that they don't really have a problem grinding out a weapon, so why reduce that grind for them specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
They might do something with it, but more and more I'm thinking I won't finish my MNK's weapon. Those dungeon drops are few and far between and with the 'new darklight' being i170 it seems all but certain that a weapon above i135 will be absolutely simple to pick up after I've leveled a bit. -
06-04-2015, 06:54 PMMadsamurai
Some questions for you guys who's been playing for the past year or so because i just came back from a long break.
1.Is there any perks to get relic weapons to Zeta stage when Heavensward is live?
2. Will the whole zodiac questline to get the weapon to zeta be gone in the expansion? -
06-04-2015, 07:11 PMKuwagamiOnce you reach level 55, everything will be better than anything you have at i135. You can trash all poetic/dreadwyrm after you beat Ravana or so. Just the time to get a few drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutz
perks as in, "nerfs" ? Yeah there will be. The nature of said nerfs is still unknown though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madsamurai
zodiac questline won't be gone in the expansion as it's going to be nerfed. Though starting 3.1, a new relic will come, so zodiac might become a "2.0 artifact" you can no longer get at that point, to distinguish veterans from newer players. -
06-04-2015, 07:43 PMMadsamurai
Sorry my first question was actually asking if it's even worth it to do the zodiac weapon quest now or leave it as it is. Well i hope just having my relic zenith weapon is enough to set me apart from the totally new players.. cos it would suck since i got them from way back in 2.0 when killing the 1st 4 primals is a real challenge.
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06-04-2015, 11:14 PMSekuUnless you've got a team to help you grind through it, or you're a perfectionist and want the title and shiny weapon. No it's not worth it to go for Zeta at this point in time as the expansion is right around the corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madsamurai
No zenith isn't enough to set you apart from totally new players as getting to that stage has been trivialized. But on the other hand Zenith really isn't that much of a show of skill, but a willingness to grind. If you're looking for items to show off, the best to get is the dreadwyrm set atm from FCoB. -
06-05-2015, 06:35 AMCeodoreWhen I say huge benefit, I mean something really big. One thing that many people have hoped for is that the stats on the new relics would be able to be customized based on the stats of your current relic. That would be a massive benefit that would make new players feel forced to go back and grind the old content to gain that advantage in the new content too. Ultimately, something like that causes many new players to feel discouraged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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06-05-2015, 05:17 PMReynhartThat would be cool, and frankly, not that huge too. Lots of calculation have been made to prove that a "perfect" Zeta is not really far from a Dreadwyrm or even an Enhanced Poetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceodore
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06-06-2015, 07:49 AMSekuThe only way to make it a huge benefit is to give it extra Weapon damage and associated main stats with w/e the players job is or a special ability, which they already said they would never do for fear of it becoming a "necessary" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceodore
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06-06-2015, 09:09 PMJustARTificialI would guess that if the Zeta is not surpassed at launch with any of the new weapons, it will be 2 weeks after the 23rd June when Alexander opens up. Unless you want the glamour from any of the stages for the class you are going to main, I would not recommend putting effort or time into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madsamurai
The Zeta questline will be getting "nerfed", so don't feel like you have to race for it. Also with the ilevel going above 170, it's even harder to see why everyone is making a fuss over the Zeta. It will probably be irrelevant come level 55.
If you are going to main one of the new classes, there is even more reason not to bother as the Zeta will become completely irrelevant. Unless SE invent a quest for a new relic in 3.1 where you can convert an old relic towards any other classes relic to skip a stage or 2, there is no reason to try to grind it out and even then you would be spending months just to skip a 1 hour or 2 hour quest.