Heavenward job quest unlock requirements

Details about how the new jobs will be unlocked have been sparse, considering SE is well known for refusing to say anything, but this much has been confirmed in the most recent letters from the producer:

-The new job quests will be based in Ishgard
-To travel to Ishgard you must have completed all Main Scenario quests up to and including 2.55.

So I guess technically speaking you will have to have at least one of the original DoWs/DoMs up to level 50 as well as completed all of the ARR story content before you can actually start leveling one of the new Jobs up from 30. In other words this means you can't start with a new GLD character (to learn the basics of tanking with) and then change to a DRK at level 30 to continue the story from Titan onwards.

I don't really mind the story up to 2.55 requiring completion to unlock the Heavensward main scenario, but if this Ishgard requirement is in fact correct, I'm not a fan. IMO you want to be able to use the main scenario quests to level the Job you ultimately want to main as at endgame otherwise it's not really worth it.

Thank you. I've seen several discussions of exactly this and I'm glad its being brought up here. My original plan had been to level a conjurer to 30 (which I did) as a different race and then at patch, fantasia him to an Au Ra and continue on as the new healing class. Granted this will be my third alt and while I was not looking forward to suffering through the main story again, at least I expected to be doing it as a new class. I have a level 50 who meets all requirements for accessing the new areas and content but I'm a bit peeved...more than a bit peeved after finding out that the new classes I'm paying for in the expansion are being with held for frankly no good reason that I can think of.

A.It sorta spits in the face of the whole gradual learning process square has going where early dungeons, slowly receiving your moves and slowly ramping up the difficultly teach you how to play your class/role properly. If they really do this, you will level all the way to 50 and play through the whole main story as a class you intend to drop like an old fish. So what we will essentially have are a bunch of people on classes they have never played, doing high level content that is supposedly 'less forgiving'. Good plan.

B. I've heard argument about these new classes being exclusive to Ishgard or that it makes sense in the story. Why can it not be handled like Ninja/Rogue? They are, technically not introduced until later on in the story but you need only have a lvl 15 class and complete up to a lvl 20 main scenario quest to access them. It can be done. I'm thinking of a giant astrology looking tower in Coerthas right now that would be perfect to have the new healing class stationed. Maybe its just me.

Maybe/hopefully this is all just another unfortunate case of Square withholding information when it could be solved by them just saying 'no no, you got it wrong'. I rather hope so and this is, as always, just one persons opinion. But going by the other talks I have seen, old and new players alike don't much like the idea.

Like I said, I don't know for sure that this will be the case. It is possible they were simply referring to the prerequisite to start the heavensward storyline where you officially "make your way into Ishgard" but you can still travel there at any time if you have the expansion installed. Sort of like how DRG players can travel to Coerthas to start their job quest line long before the Main Scenario actually takes you there.

But if the new jobs will in fact start at 50 and require full completion of ARR content to unlock, I agree, it automatically makes rolling one less appealing for new and experienced players alike.

You will need to complete the 2.55 quest line,
Do the first quest of 3.0 to get into Ishgard,
Have the appropriate classes/jobs high enough (MRD and/or GLA for DRK)

I don't understand their logic if that is the case. Well I understand having the prerequisite class high enough. That goes without saying. I was pretty sure they were locking the area behind the Steps of Faith boss because that is the point when the gates open. My personal belief is the new job/class trainers should be in Coerthas, level 30 in the required class to become that job, and perhaps you need to get to the point in the story where you enter Coerthas. I'm willing to put in that much work to be an Au Ra of the new jobs without having to Fantasia characters I'm fond of and have had since near to release. I still think all this gate locking seems like a lot of hoop jumping when you are asking for money but *shrug*. Guess we'll all have to wait and see but personally I'll be very disappointed if I have to level my conjurer up to 50 instead of 30 where he is waiting patiently now. We won't even mention how I feel about redoing all the story quest releases after that point.

Why do people even roll alts when they can level everything on one character and switch classes on the fly? Yea I know inventory can run out but you should be phasing out 90+% of your items as you level up. I use one retainer for spair mats, and my second for vanity gear which I only keep a few sets of.
On topic though, steps of faith being cleared IS the pre-req quest for the afore mentioned 3.0 quest. There will be no soul stones for any of the new three jobs, DRK seems to be a combo of WAR and PLD play styles while AST seems to combine WHM and SCH.
What MCH does I'd wadger is a combo of BRD and SUM since it's a range melee pet class.
I'm almost willing to be live that you may not have to level them from 1 either. Possibly start at 30 like some advanced classes in ff11 iirc.

#whocaresanyways

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

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How on Hydaelyn your signature was more relevant to this topic than your post I shall never know. >_>

Its not just alts. You assume new people won't come?

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Its not just alts. You assume new people won't come?

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Yea.... and they'll need to play 2.0-2.55 and wont even have any 50s until the end of 2.0's content.

It's not like this is the 9th expansion of WoW where they have to make new players level 100+ just so they can actually participate in new content. They can and will catch up. And it'll be easier then when we did it as well.

Again, you assume there'll be enough to run the group stuff.

I'm predicting major complaints a few weeks in when you can't get trials done because there's no reason for folks to go there anymore.

I'm hauling ass to get to 50 before I can't get a df run for stuff. Others won't be so lucky.

The main story req is mainly a barrier against the RMT going there, I think it will be not so hard complete 2.55 Main Scenario and go to 50 with one 'old' job, to be able get new one then.

Yes I understand you want go a new job immediately, but on the view about that job being part of an 'expansion', have sense ask you complete old content first. NIN were put on old content and in fact, you were able do it straight away when released.

Me personally, I'm a dungeon crawler. I don't do a dungeon run once and then beat my head on raids from the day I get there on.
I with my Healers, Tanks, and several DPS likely not making it to 50 before 3.0 I'll be doing older content at the least.
I think some people are making waaaay to big a deal about this. Its a very minor issue if it even is one at all.

Its not the new job. Its doing *anything* in the expansion. Making us go through a quest line that says "use duty finder", when df can't pull 8 people together because no one is doing things is going to become a problem.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Its not the new job. Its doing *anything* in the expansion. Making us go through a quest line that says "use duty finder", when df can't pull 8 people together because no one is doing things is going to become a problem.

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DF is total crap now because no one plays tank and healer. New Tank and Healer gives incentive. You hit the High level or low level DFs to help grind to 60 and you WILL be paired with new players. Thus rendering this argument moot.

You're acting like there are only going to be a few dozen new players. 3.0 will bring them by the THOUSANDS. There will be enough to make the teams. You seem to think there are only end gamers out there. I cant even cue a 2.0 dungeon any more with out seeing "One or more players has yet to complete this duty. A bonus will be awarded for speedy completion." So there are and will be enough new players. Then again I guess Excalibur is a different community than Balmung that must be more intolerant of new players since if you're to take an example of there doesn't seem to be so much as a tank to spare for early progression.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

You will need to complete the 2.55 quest line,
Do the first quest of 3.0 to get into Ishgard,
Have the appropriate classes/jobs high enough (MRD and/or GLA for DRK)

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There is no appropriate class for any of the 3 new jobs. They automatically start as Jobs. There will be cross classes ie DRG pulls from PUG/MRD But there is no base class for the new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Its not the new job. Its doing *anything* in the expansion. Making us go through a quest line that says "use duty finder", when df can't pull 8 people together because no one is doing things is going to become a problem.

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You're under the impression that we're getting a whole new set of duty roulettes, we're not. 1-49 and 51-59 will all be Low Roulettes, Hard (Will be what it is now) and Expert will be the level 60 dungeons. There is no grand scheme to oust the new players as you seem to think there is and FYI Duty Roulette and Duty Finder are linked so get ready, Sastasha and Qarn aren't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Causality

There is no appropriate class for any of the 3 new jobs. They automatically start as Jobs. There will be cross classes ie DRG pulls from PUG/MRD But there is no base class for the new jobs.

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No base class means it doesn't level up a class as it levels up, not that classes/jobs aren't required to unlock it. You need archer to 15 to unlock BLM, but archer isn't a base class for BLM.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

No base class means it doesn't level up a class as it levels up, not that classes/jobs aren't required to unlock it. You need archer to 15 to unlock BLM, but archer isn't a base class for BLM.

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No Soul Crystal and no Base Job likely means you walk in and the NPC goes "Hey Wanna be a dark knight!" and you go "SURE!" then they go "Righteous, here's your great sword and your first job skill, now go pwn some noobs and come back in five levels".

By the point you pick them up you should have a shit tone of job skills from just leveling your main's cross skills.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

No Soul Crystal and no Base Job likely means you walk in and the NPC goes "Hey Wanna be a dark knight!" and you go "SURE!" then they go "Righteous, here's your great sword and your first job skill, now go pwn some noobs and come back in five levels".

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That's how base classes work, will we also be able to pull cross class skills from every class and set twice as many as other jobs?

Look forward to a few threads titled "Seriously, after getting a job to ilvl90 and through the MSQ, I also have to have specific classes leveled to 15/30 to unlock the new jobs?" in the first few weeks of the expansion.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

That's how base classes work, will we also be able to pull cross class skills from every class and set twice as many as other jobs?

Look forward to a few threads titled "Seriously, after getting a job to ilvl90 and through the MSQ, I also have to have specific classes leveled to 15/30 to unlock the new jobs?" in the first few weeks of the expansion.

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uuuuh, Dark Knight specifically uses GLD/PLD and MRD/WAR cross skills, if you're doing Dark Knight in 3.0 it's probably because you know you like tanking. And if you're a level 50 tank that doesn't have flash, provoke, and the other essentials I WILL question how you got to 50 to begin with.

This is not really an issue it's seems to be more of a "I don played da 2.0 jobz now letz me steem rollz mah new dudez". Because the only people I see that have a problem seem to be the ones that want all the rewards of a high level player with out putting any of the effort in. Fun fact, most new players will get all classes to at least level 5 before deciding which they like best. That already teaches several core abilities from each skill tree. Provoke, Stoneskin, and Swift Cast are the only staple abilities that take a significant investment to get. But ya know, it's not like most players haven't had a few months advance notice that heavensward needs Steps of Faith finished and that the new jobs wouldn't have base classes or any thing..... Oh wait.......They did.

I think you and several other people are just being thrown off by the "No Crystal" quirk and are sore that you'll actually have to do more than half a day's worth of content to optimise your skill set.
And I'm a console player so don't give ME any BS about "The woes of the cross bar" because I do quite well with half the skill icon space or less of a PC player.

The lack of job crystal has nothing to do with anything, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up (or even where you're getting it from)

Fun fact, most people will want to try out all 3 of the new jobs, and all they've been told is they need to finish the MSQ. I'm just saying that a lot of people won't be able to unlock all 3 of them right away like they are expecting to..

It doesn't bother me one bit. I think the people wanting to "start the game at the end of the game" are the ones being a little ridiculous and I think that notion that "the new people won't be able to level up or get groups" is completely absurd. All of the people queuing for leveling the 3 new jobs will add SUBSTANTIALLY more activity to the duty finder in both low level roulette and all 30+ dungeons.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The lack of job crystal has nothing to do with anything, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up (or even where you're getting it from)

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How do you mean? What makes me think it's throwing some off or are you questioning the statement that there will not be a Dark Knight, Machinist, or Astrologen job crystal? Because as far as the later goes, Director Yoshida said very explicitly in one of his live letters that there would be no Job Crystals for the three new classes due to them not having base classes. (No point if there's no base class)

As for the former, it's as reasonable of a guess as any when the BS logic I've seen so far about locking the jobs in 3.0's content will kill the Duty Finder and make it impossible to level and other BS.

I looked through the old live letters and couldn't find anything anywhere on new job crystals, but that's inconsequential information that I would skim over because it means nothing.

The logic I stated was previous jobs have required 2 classes leveled to a certain point to unlock, one being the base class. Therefore it's not unreasonable to need to "Have the appropriate classes/jobs high enough (MRD and/or GLA for DRK)" Nothing about the duty finder or job crystal.

The "Leveling issue" is still irrelevant. You WILL have at least one lvl50 by the time you unlock this because you have no choice.

And if you didn't grab cross skills along the way it's your own fault not the system's.
Any one interested in all 3 would have gotten most if not all classes to at least 15.
I have all my classes at 34+ so since I'm interested in MCH and DRK then I'm already good from my Tank off job and my DPs main.

Start the game at the end of the game? The hell?

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Originally Posted by Telsyr

You're under the impression that we're getting a whole new set of duty roulettes, we're not. 1-49 and 51-59 will all be Low Roulettes, Hard (Will be what it is now) and Expert will be the level 60 dungeons. There is no grand scheme to oust the new players as you seem to think there is and FYI Duty Roulette and Duty Finder are linked so get ready, Sastasha and Qarn aren't going anywhere.

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I'm referring specifically to the trials that already have hour long waits for tanks.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Start the game at the end of the game? The hell?

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Level 30 new jobs are the real endgame.

And yeah, the pre-50 trials are horrible for all jobs in duty finder, but they are cramming everything together in roulette so it might not be as bad.

Yo act like making the classes available from the start will fix that. Thats not a system problem thats a community problem.

Most of the time its not that the tanks aren't cueing its that there aren't any to start with. Double for healer. Adding more classes won't make those jobs any less stressful so its not going to add a substantial number to the pool

Considering I'm working on healer job unlocking that's not going to be an issue. Lack of tanks is compounded by burnout(lots left for a bit) and that no one wants to do it.

Had a healer leave wp normal earlier. Tank wasn't speed running...