So your giving Summoner Akh morn but your not giving White mage any new water spells.

So your giving Summoner Akh morn but your not giving White mage any new water spells.

https://youtu.be/kbvv0rgrT4k?t=2m1s
Well someone is trying hard to get people to play SMN aren't they...

Joking aside, this I feel is a little unfair.
We WHM's only have one water spell, Aura fluid.
(And most players hate you using it when MNK wants their lightning or tanks with their aggro)

Yeah I get we're healers not dps but cmon....
I don't wanna be the adverturer telling my epic tales of how I defeated my enemys BY THROWING ROCKS AT THEM!!!

Is abit of water manipulation that hard?
My avatars deity Thaliak, is a god of water. heck my mage looks like a water mage!
I'm trying to make this look good, work with me square!

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...dfec3f508c.jpg
"Water spells please."

Comment, post your thoughts on if you think there should be more water spells.
(or not)

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edit: found the gif I was looking for.

*You're*
lol

Once again, in the history of Final Fantasy most games do not give you any water spells beyond Water itself, and a leap to water summons (usually Leviathan.) X so far is the only game I can remember that gives us access to Watera and Aga spells.

Water spells are any spells that have a blue aura while channeling/casting them. Raise, Esuna, Fluid Aura, Shroud of Saints, Divine Seal, and Presence of Mind are all "water spells".

Thread where people discuss this.

@Dualblade: FFXIII has all stages of water spells as well. As does FFXIII-2. And don't forget about FFX-2. FFXII does but only enemies have access to Watera and Waterga while Famfrit has access to Waterja.

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

I don't wanna be the adverturer telling my epic tales of how I defeated my enemys BY THROWING ROCKS AT THEM!!!

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So instead of throwing rocks...

I wanna be the adverturer telling my epic tales of how I defeated my enemys BY SPLASHING WATER AT THEM!!!

XD I even kept the typo for dramatism.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

So instead of throwing rocks...

I wanna be the adverturer telling my epic tales of how I defeated my enemys BY SPLASHING WATER AT THEM!!!

XD I even kept the typo for dramatism.

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If you want to tell great and epic tales of how you defeated your foes, you rolled the wrong class.

The most effective thing a white mage should throw at their opponent is a DPS party member.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

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I did mean main games (Not sequels/tactics) though for the most part the sequels follow similar enough. I will admit I forgot XIII had them, only one I every only completed once. Never played XIII-2. Also I did say player character, and Famfrit counts as the Water summon for XII.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

So instead of throwing rocks...

I wanna be the adverturer telling my epic tales of how I defeated my enemys BY SPLASHING WATER AT THEM!!!

XD I even kept the typo for dramatism.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

If you want to tell great and epic tales of how you defeated your foes, you rolled the wrong class.

The most effective thing a white mage should throw at their opponent is a DPS party member.

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What am I the only person that thought this looked cool? I wanna a piece of that!!!

I'm sure quake, flood and tornado will be added in due time - probably similar to Holy in terms of damage/dots and with status effects (mass slow/mass silence etc).

I'm just not looking forward to them that much as the healing aspects are more impt to me and Holy does the job (what's better than stun anyway)

well i don't think they showed all the new skills. I'm sure they saved the flashy ones for when we play HW. And wanna see what Water I or Watera looks like. Water looks badass in this game

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

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What am I the only person that thought this looked cool? I wanna a piece of that!!!

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You might just be.

I also want more water attack spells. Please.

Yeah I would like a new water spell

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

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Haha. As a dog owner myself, this works for me. I'm laughing way more than I should right now.

Come on SE, we need a waterjet spell to keep canine mobs at bay.

Love the pokerface sig btw <3

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

If you want to tell great and epic tales of how you defeated your foes, you rolled the wrong class.

The most effective thing a white mage should throw at their opponent is a DPS party member.

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This guy has never seen holy spam. Nothing can beat it for AOE DPS in dungeons. Flare can get close... briefly. Too bad it doesn't have much raid application.

Sooooo... because you glamoured yourself to a "water mage" and you chose Thaliak as your patron deity, SE should change the spells for you? I don't follow the logic there. As far as tanks and monks disliking the use of Fluid Aura... we only dislike it when it's used poorly. It can be quite useful when used well. :3

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

Haha. As a dog owner myself, this works for me. I'm laughing way more than I should right now.

Come on SE, we need a waterjet spell to keep canine mobs at bay.

Love the pokerface sig btw <3

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off topic :P

My 2 dogs love jumping in the river when I take them to the park, Cannot get them in side when it's snowing. But as soon as it's raining they will not go out! Or they zoom out, do their business and fly back in XD (got a girl Malamute and a boy Husky). Oh and the girl (who is really thick furred) loves jumping in mud. When she was a pup she found her first mud puddle, was hopping up and down until she slipped and landed first first! Her face was covered and she looked at me so proud XD

Maybe Earthquake spells, I mean we are throwing rocks already... why not...

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

SE should change the spells for you? I don't follow the logic there.

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And yet we have a summoner with akh morn now lol.

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

And yet we have a summoner with akh morn now lol.

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They're a DPS class. They get a DPS skill.

WHM already spam holy and, as Gunsblazing outlined, it's DPS in dungeons is already way too high. I love that it stuns- that fills a valuable support in damage mitigation. But man do healers love their holy spam so much that they think they need more DPS spells more than they need healing flexibility. If you want to DPS, roll DPS. I mean, yeah, I don't mind DPSing if you don't need to heal, but DPSing isn't your job- you don't need new innovative ways to cause damage. That's literally the exact opposite of your role.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

...but DPSing isn't your job- you don't need new innovative ways to cause damage. That's literally the exact opposite of your role.

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Yes and no.

Healers also need to solo when not in parties. We need other forms of attacks.

As I mentioned earlier I don't mind quake, flood, tornado etc with comparable damage but with other supports/utilities but not top of wanted list of things.

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Originally Posted by Shuon

Yes and no.

Healers also need to solo when not in parties. We need other forms of attacks.

As I mentioned earlier I don't mind quake, flood, tornado etc with comparable damage but with other supports/utilities but not top of wanted list of things.

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You got Cleric Stance and an incredibly spammable, stunning AoE with high potency. That's your solo potential. You're not a DPS.

New DPS skills are not your priority. It's cool you have them, and awesome that SE made soloing as any role pleasant. But if you're rolling a healing class and asking for more damage skills when you have Holy already, something has gone horribly awry.

Holy isn't the end all and be all of WHM damage. Its not only cosumes more MP then any other attack, but it only really makes up for that with atleast 3 enemies being hit by it...and since apparently we will only want to fight 1-2 enemies at a time in Heavensward, it won't be quite as good. The new attacks will probably be good for this, or for quick AoEs that don't consume quite as much mana (I'm assuming the new Aero is an AoE, thats what it looks like atleast.)

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

And yet we have a summoner with akh morn now lol.

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Can u imagine how troll that'd be in t13 if there were 4 smns casting it and then the tanks and healers flinch due to muscle memory and use their cds lol.
Also u should change it to
" can we have an ( offensive ) water spell "

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

They're a DPS class. They get a DPS skill.

WHM already spam holy and, as Gunsblazing outlined, it's DPS in dungeons is already way too high. I love that it stuns- that fills a valuable support in damage mitigation. But man do healers love their holy spam so much that they think they need more DPS spells more than they need healing flexibility. If you want to DPS, roll DPS. I mean, yeah, I don't mind DPSing if you don't need to heal, but DPSing isn't your job- you don't need new innovative ways to cause damage. That's literally the exact opposite of your role.

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Yeah we can put out some holys for extra damage like on shivas adds, but thats as useful as it gets, yeah I know I'm a healer as I pointed out in the first post.
But we need dps spells outside of dungeons, we have an expansion on the way and lots of overworld content coming.

And I don't want to spend it going:

"Aero 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" "stone 3" .........(you get the idea).


I know what your thinking "why not just use black mage then?"
No.
Its not about how fast I kill the mob, its how I do it and not watching the same stone animation, all I want is a little bit of choice thats all, and white mage (and all classes for that matter) deserve that much.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Holy isn't the end all and be all of WHM damage. Its not only cosumes more MP then any other attack, but it only really makes up for that with atleast 3 enemies being hit by it...and since apparently we will only want to fight 1-2 enemies at a time in Heavensward, it won't be quite as good. The new attacks will probably be good for this, or for quick AoEs that don't consume quite as much mana (I'm assuming the new Aero is an AoE, thats what it looks like atleast.)

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We only want to fight one or two enemies in heavensward ALONE, is what they were referring to. They said that in response to the question someone posed about the current state of the game, how there are no monsters out there that pose any real threat to players. He responded by saying that two of those field mobs would give you a hell of a fight, if you managed to survive. That's also likely not going to last long, either. We'll outgear those monsters by the time the first content patch post-expansion hits, and we'll be fighting 5 of them at once again. In dungeons, you'll have a party of four and a tank to soak up the damage. Not to mention that WHM holy spam gives you 7 seconds of AOE stun total to mitigate damage while you're holy nuking. All you need to do is cast regen, start holying, and for 7 seconds that regen is more than enough to keep your tank alive. Anything after that, you have to watch. Keep holying til your tanks at about 40%, then drop cleric stance, cure 2, put up another regen, and holy some more. SE has tried to make dungeons difficult to speed run by adding bigger and stronger mobs to the fray in the areas you can pull multiple groups in, and to this date, it has never stopped people from pulling big enough groups to merit AOE DPSing them down. Examples; The goobbues in Snowcloak, the Morbols in AK Hard, the Dullahans in AK normal and even the corrupted sprites in pharos... All of these were monsters that SE thought would be too strong for us to AOE down, and thus prevent speed runs, and every time, we have still AOE'd them down. Holy is still casted in every single one of these situations, as well, assuming your WHM knows how to properly play their job. It'll still be used in HW, no matter how much SE tries to prevent big pulls from happening.

Obviously you don't holy on one or two targets, nobody other than you even mentioned such a notion. I specifically mentioned holy being the strongest AOE in the game, and it is. Get a blm, have them do their aoe rotation for 30 seconds on a dummy, and have a whm do nothing but cast holy. The WHM does more damage in the end. Yeah, whm will eventually run out of MP, but no AOE pull in any dungeon that exists today lives long enough to burn all your MP when you're holy spamming, unless you're doing it without cleric stance on.

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Originally Posted by GunsBlazing

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Atla was pretty much saying we don't need any more DPS skills for WHM because Holy, which I should have quoted him since I ment to be in reply to him. Of course in parties even with the new skills Holy is the way to go (Unless Aero 3 is an AoE, in which case it might be put in once in there sometimes), and eventually we are going to outgear these mobs...but not for a bit, and the new attack skills will probably be needed. As well I would say that Snowcloak and AK Hard aren't good examples, simply because for the most part people were outgearing it by the time those came out period. Pharos and AK Normal I can't say though since I'm not sure if we did outgear those (I think we did for Pharos? If I remember part of the problem was we outgear'd it enough to do lots of damage, but not enough to do with the tons of adds that spawned during bosses cause of it.)

And again, I was talking about overworld AKA solo. Dungeons, Holy is king for WHM.

According to the link from the Detailed Heavensward thread, Aero III is an AoE, so I could see it being used in between Holy's. And apparently Assize not only does AoE damage, but also heals nearby party members...can't complain about that!

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

Its not about how fast I kill the mob, its how I do it and not watching the same stone animation, all I want is a little bit of choice thats all, and white mage (and all classes for that matter) deserve that much.

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Astral Fire and Umbral Ice say hi. So does Ruin. So does does Fast Blade/Savage Blade/Rage of Halone... Spinning Edge/Gust Slash/Aeolian Edge... Heavy Swing/Skull Sunder/Butcher's Block... Those are bread and butter rotations, and every assosciated class will see them a million times when soloing, in that order. Unless you're talking about AoEs. But that's why you have Holy, right? You know, that thing you're massively underselling the power of. Killing Shiva adds? Try highest sustained AoE damage on trash in dungeon runs of any class. Fluid Aura is a cooldown of 30 seconds and is used primarily for soloing or more commonly for irritating melee DPS and tanks in dungeons. Did you want more offensive cooldowns? Go roll a DPS.

You're a healer. Not a DPS. You are not special.

Tell you what. I'll be happy with you getting all the attack spells you want, if Cleric Stance gets nerfed so you can't change stances in combat. You still get to solo, you don't get to out-DPS the actual DPS classes in dungeons. And woe betides me, who unleashes the fires of hell upon myself.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

New DPS skills are not your priority.

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Honey which part of "As I mentioned earlier I don't mind quake, flood, tornado etc with comparable damage but with other supports/utilities but not top of wanted list of things." do you not understand?

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Astral Fire and Umbral Ice say hi. So does Ruin. So does does Fast Blade/Savage Blade/Rage of Halone... Spinning Edge/Gust Slash/Aeolian Edge... Heavy Swing/Skull Sunder/Butcher's Block... Those are bread and butter rotations, and every assosciated class will see them a million times when soloing, in that order. Unless you're talking about AoEs. But that's why you have Holy, right? You know, that thing you're massively underselling the power of. Killing Shiva adds? Try highest sustained AoE damage on trash in dungeon runs of any class. Fluid Aura is a cooldown of 30 seconds and is used primarily for soloing or more commonly for irritating melee DPS and tanks in dungeons. Did you want more offensive cooldowns? Go roll a DPS.

You're a healer. Not a DPS. You are not special.

Tell you what. I'll be happy with you getting all the attack spells you want, if Cleric Stance gets nerfed so you can't change stances in combat. You still get to solo, you don't get to out-DPS the actual DPS classes in dungeons. And woe betides me, who unleashes the fires of hell upon myself.

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I don't know whats more shocking, your self centered rage at white mages or your inability to read posts.

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

yeah I know I'm a healer as I pointed out in the first post.

Its not about how fast I kill the mob, its how I do it and not watching the same stone animation, all I want is a little bit of choice thats all, and white mage (and all classes for that matter) deserve that much.

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I don't care how much damage it does, it could be as useful as splash in pokemon for all I care.
All I want is some spell variety, not become a dps.

Black mages use ice. fire and lightning.
White mages use earth, wind and water.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Astral Fire and Umbral Ice say hi.

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

I know what your thinking "why not just use black mage then?"
No.

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Yeah, how about still no. I like my white mage thanks.

Looking at Atlaworks preivous posts though your profile buddy.

Someones had a bad time with a white mage who likes to spam his holy I see :D

First of all, edit posts in the future so you don't post three times in a row directed at the same person, please.

And you are unclear with what you want. You want... more DPS spells... that add nothing new to your repertoire except for being visually appealing and breaking monotony? That seems silly to me personally. Do you think I'm trying to convince you to reroll your class? No- I'm merely pointing out that every other class has the same variety you do. Every class has bread and butter combos called "rotations" and while some skills are situational or powerful(Those being cooldowns), for the most part they will be using those rotations. The only real exceptions are bards who have no rotation(But for the most part have a few skills they'll use more often, though they're not as limited as most) and monks(Who have sort of mix-and-match rotations, so you'll see about nine different skills used in different 3-skill combinations). What you want isn't something anyone really has unless it's a major class mechanic- and any sort of DPS mechanic, be it for aesthetics or not, is not your job. Your job is to heal- you have a vast, expansive healing repertoire and enough DPS skills to keep your hands full when everyone is topped off or when you need to solo. You don't need more attack skills for any reason, because white mages have all the tools they need to DPS when it's necessary, and further beyond that is not your job. From what I can glean of your request, it would be the same as me asking for monks to have the ability to shout in a party member's ear and heal them for 30 HP. That's silly and unnecessary.

I did misunderstand and thought your request was a valid issue regarding balance, though, and I apologize if it was merely a silly request for a silly feature. I do still disagree, however.

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Originally Posted by lololink

-They increased the offensive power of the WHM, not because they want them to be real DPS but because they first didn't expect the players to have the healers DPS in coil, they were surprised to see the top parties do that and they changed their plan. When they do the new raid they now takes healer dps into consideration, that will be a major difference between alexander normal and hard, in the normal mode dps check they don't take into account the healers' damages.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...erview-summary
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...26_703330.html

WHMs are a very potent DPS job if played that way.

That said, I prefer to use WHM when doing any dungeons or content because I can be an extra DPS in the fight, while healing at the same time.

Heck, most of the time I WHM in 4 man dungeons, I'm usually always the highest DPS. This isn't to say that this is HOW the job should be played (of course), but its a shit ton faster, I don't let people die and its a lot of fun.

Back on topic: I am happy we aren't getting a new water spell. It more than likely wouldn't be of high potency, and it probably would have some silly cool down or bind to it - just no thanks. I'm content with the changes they have planned or leaked to us thus far.