Ixal with wings in the new dungeon preview!

During the live letter one of the Allagan dungeons featured a bunch of Ixal in glass tubes. Unlike those we're used to in Eorzea, however, these Ixal had wings.

The Ixali beast tribe quests revealed to us that the Ixal did indeed used to have wings when they lived on the floating continent of Ayatlan. At some point they lost them somehow, and were stranded in Eorzea building flying contraptions and worshiping Garuda in hopes of restoring their ability to fly.

It would seem we may find out what actually happened to them in the expansion. It's nice to see that the current beast tribe lore won't be completely left to gather dust as we move on to new tribes though.

More of the Allagan genetic experimentation, I'd expect. Those guys seem to really enjoy playing with the gene pool.

Perhaps the Celestial Dragon who looked like an Ixali might be important that we previously thought!

Gee, we really needed more reasons to hate the Allagans and everything they stood for. I wonder if the Floating Continent we've seen is actually Ayatlan, and the Allagans either conquered and re-purposed it, or possibly created the modern Ixal to begin with.

The ixal evolved there wings away after being forced to live on the ground. it's part of the lore, that doesn't mean they weren't experimented on but it's far more likely those are ancient pure ixal or current ixal that have been modified.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

The ixal evolved there wings away after being forced to live on the ground. it's part of the lore, that doesn't mean they weren't experimented on but it's far more likely those are ancient pure ixal or current ixal that have been modified.

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i thought the lore (and the ixali beast tribe) said that they got into a war with the elementals due to them cutting tree's down to make nests and homes and the elementals stripped them of there wings, and thats why they turned to Garuda, because she promised them to return there wings if they do favours for her.

Just Adding link references.
Here is the Part of the Video.
https://youtu.be/YGcvnNOe34k?t=4m56s

http://puu.sh/hVK54/358d6f709a.png

Also This seems to be the end boss, the devices on the side of the dungeon where the boss is located look similar to the ones in the above video.
https://youtu.be/YGcvnNOe34k?t=6m47s

http://puu.sh/hVK7H/5aaeb76232.png

I wonder if the "Lord of Snakes" that Garuda was said to have defeated and feasted upon was an Allagan invention/ experiment?

Perhaps Melusine and her kin are actually Beast tribes that were captured/ stored due to their regenerative capabilities.

In either case, it seems as if the Dreadknights in BCoB are probably modified Ixal.

Well this makes things interesting...

Anyway, insane theory aside, does it look to anyone else like Ixali and Dreadknights might be related?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Well this makes things interesting...

Anyway, insane theory aside, does it look to anyone else like Ixali and Dreadknights might be related?

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I certainly agree that now we know there's a connection between the Ixal and Allagans it's likely they were used to create the Dreadknights/Mirrorknights. That the Lord of Snakes was some kind of Allagan device or person also now seems likely.

Given that the Ixal claim to have an origin in the Heavens would appear to be true I'm curious if we'll see any evidence to support the Moogles' same claim as well.

Can we discuss the video in general here as well? Because I think we're about to have a Halo 3 moment here;
https://i.imgur.com/tCq3viW.png
Anyone else get the feeling that the Allag had an automated system in place to replace Halo Rin.... Dalamud? I mean something big, round, and Allagan is being put together there... Can't quite make out what is inside, but they did say they were going to go into the Bahamut/Dalamud backstory...

Would it be insane to suggest that not all the Meracydia dragons were on board Dalamud? Some could have been kept in cold storage in case they needed to resummon Bahamut into a new Dalamud...

Can't really think of a better place to delve into Bahamuts story than the construction yard he was imprisoned in, perhaps while he is being imprisoned again...

Perhaps this is a prototype device. The thing inside does not look like Bahamut at all. Maybe the Ixal dragon? I always wondered why those birds had horns..

Well, if it's a new Dalamud and not just some fancy Allagan Tanning Sphere, or Giant ADS, Bahamut might not look like Bahamut yet. The wreckage of the old Dalamud was building Bahamut back up from the remains of his head/heart, a new one could place him inside in the exact same manner, it doesn't look like him yet because his head/limbs haven't been "constructed" yet.

Earlier in the video we also saw a few glimpses of some vats similar to the ones seen in Second/Final Coil. Whether those are bioweapons or Meracydia captives I can't really tell, but given Bahamut is meant to come up again my money is on Meracydia captives with the structure being Dalamud 2.0, we even see the Warrior of Light confronting two Ascians in an Allagan structure (whether it's the same as this one IDK, there seem to be two) and I wouldn't put it past them to go "Hey, Bahamut was really effective, lets do that again!".

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

What if, rather, Alexander made a conscious effort to maintain its presence on Eorzea by lining its armor with worshippers in stasis? It could be what inspired the Allagans to apply such a strategy to keep Bahamut around.

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Is there any indication that Alexander was around during Allagan times? All we seem to know so far is that he is the Goblins Primal (and oddly not cheese related), they didn't even describe him as an Elder Primal IIRC.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

"Hey, Bahamut was really effective, lets do that again!".

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What if, rather, Alexander made a conscious effort to maintain its presence on Eorzea by lining its armor with worshippers in stasis? It could be what inspired the Allagans to apply such a strategy to keep Bahamut around.

They actually haven't explained what's going on Alexander, up to and including the Goblin connection - at the NA fanfest, where Alexander was introduced, they said that goblins were responsible for him appearing. They specifically avoided wording or even a query about whether he was "the goblin primal". It seems very likely that Alexander's activation may be an accident.

Anyway, it's (intentionally) difficult to tell, but in the various videos it seems like there's been several Allagan facilities teased. One of them seems to be a flying fortress of some sort, and I think it's entirely possible another is the containment facility for Omega - if you want my bet, the thing in that sphere is Omega, and what we're seeing is simply the partially-undone storage unit for it. It feels difficult to even speculate, though, because unlike Dusk Vigil, the Grand Cathedral or the Library of the Ancients, it's not obvious what these facilities are or why we'd be going there. Which is really the entire point :V

Though to the point of the OP - personally, I would not be surprised to find out that the "beast tribes" have ties to Allag as well, perhaps as intentionally-created servitors. In fact I've idly wondered about that for a while now - Allag had total control of Aldenard, Ilsabard and Othard, so how did the ancient beast tribes fit into that? Given what we've seen of Allagan behavior and power, they must have been subjects, but in what form?

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if the "Lord of Snakes" that Garuda was said to have defeated and feasted upon was an Allagan invention/ experiment? .

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At about 6:42 in the video there is a winged serpentine mob coming out of one of those dust tornados. Possibly related to the Garuda myth?

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Also This seems to be the end boss, the devices on the side of the dungeon where the boss is located look similar to the ones in the above video.
https://youtu.be/YGcvnNOe34k?t=6m47s

http://puu.sh/hVK7H/5aaeb76232.png

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Does anyone else besides me think that thing is some kind of reworked Sphinx? It does kind of resemble the Greek winged version of it. Or at best a mechanical gryphon given the mouth and legs.

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

At about 6:42 in the video there is a winged serpentine mob coming out of one of those dust tornados. Possibly related to the Garuda myth?

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I wouldn't be surprised if that was Gizamaluke they both look very similar. I think there is a flying mount based on this boss too isn't there?

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

Does anyone else besides me think that thing is some kind of reworked Sphinx? It does kind of resemble the Greek winged version of it. Or at best a mechanical gryphon given the mouth and legs.

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sphinxaur
could be a reference to this.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

I wouldn't be surprised if that was Gizamaluke they both look very similar. I think there is a flying mount based on this boss too isn't there?

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wonder if the mount would be a dungeon drop? :D

It could be just me but listen to these tracks.
Flightless Wings Ixal Theme
Ixal Beast Tribe Theme
New Dungeon Theme

Some parts of the dungeon music sound a bit similar to the Ixal Theme, especially around 5:02->5:22 Almost like a Techno remix of it

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Originally Posted by zandervont

wonder if the mount would be a dungeon drop? :D

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We see more of that sort of monster with the Vanu Vanu (and there are plenty of Vanu Vanu in that dungeon too), so it's very likely a Beast Tribe daily mount.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

It could be just me but listen to these tracks.
Flightless Wings Ixal Theme
Ixal Beast Tribe Theme
New Dungeon Theme

Some parts of the dungeon music sound a bit similar to the Ixal Theme, especially around 5:02->5:22 Almost like a Techno remix of it

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I hadn't picked up on this. It's very subtle but yes, there's a distinct similarity in those specific parts. I wonder if the Ixal may actually be central to the story behind that dungeon rather than just a passing lore reference... Is it possible the lab is the place they call Ayatlan?

Bumping this topic.
The winged "Ixal" in The Fractal Continuum seem to be the missing link.


http://i.imgur.com/aIUeZWx.png

"Exhibit VII: The Iksalion"
"A highly intelligent construct employed by allagan engineers to perform maintenance tasks. Notable Flaws include a weakness against the elements and certain genetic instabilities."

Speculation time, I highly doubt the Allagan would name them the Ixal, so Iksalion might be their true name.
The ability to be amazing craters might come from ancient allagans breeding the Iksalion to perform maintenance on Allagan devices.

Also they noticed genetic instabilities, this might explain the Ixal Myth of them losing their wings, or maybe the Ixal themselves are the defect, having arms instead of wings like the Iksalion.

EDIT: Oh I just noticed there is a new thread on this now http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%28spoilers%29