Sprint Idea

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05-08-2015, 07:26 PM
Viperbite

Sprint Idea

Not sure if this has been said before but i feel sprint should be used as a cool down instead of taking TP. Mage jobs having nothing to lose using sprint in fights as a DPS it will ruin you if invig is down.
05-09-2015, 01:58 AM
MrHobbit

to be fair there ISNT A SINGLE FIGHT where sprint is requiered to do any mechanic im a monk and i did not come acros a single mechanic in this game (savage included) where sprint was nessesery to pull something off...
05-09-2015, 02:14 AM
Skeith-Adeline

Caster Masterrace.
05-09-2015, 03:24 AM
Crescent_Dusk

I hate sprint draining TP, but what I think is the rationale is that casters have less mobile DPS, so they need faster repositioning to start turreting again.
05-09-2015, 04:36 AM
Arkenne

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Originally Posted by MrHobbit

to be fair there ISNT A SINGLE FIGHT where sprint is requiered to do any mechanic im a monk and i did not come acros a single mechanic in this game (savage included) where sprint was nessesery to pull something off...

Well, its true there isnt a single fight which requires sprint... but then again all those have been made with the idea in mind that melees can't sprint mid fight or they are screwed...

Allowing sprint as an OGCD would then free the SE team to make up mechanics that require sprinting... but if it ever were to happen, I would like some reworking on the battle sprinting animations... :|
05-09-2015, 04:52 AM
Morbid

The only time I can see this seriously turning into an advantage would be PvP but even that is a bit iffy. I have not encountered any situation in game where I felt sprint was a make or break for a mechanic; seems okay for now.
05-09-2015, 07:22 AM
Zigkid3

if it drains TP for disciple of war then it should drain MP for disciple of magic at the very least imo (though BLMs would still have it good).

it cripples melee who need it the most. and gives no hindrance to casters what so ever who don't even need it as badly since they're ranged in the first place.
05-09-2015, 08:07 AM
Skeith-Adeline

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Originally Posted by Zigkid3

if it drains TP for disciple of war then it should drain MP for disciple of magic at the very least imo (though BLMs would still have it good).

it cripples melee who need it the most. and gives no hindrance to casters what so ever who don't even need it as badly since they're ranged in the first place.

What people need to understand is, Sprinting is rarely useful, if at all. I can't think of a single instance in which I sprint, I really can't. It's more novelty than anything. It's NOT a hindrance to ANY class because it isn't a NECESSITY.
05-09-2015, 11:11 AM
Alberel

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Originally Posted by Zigkid3

if it drains TP for disciple of war then it should drain MP for disciple of magic at the very least imo (though BLMs would still have it good).

it cripples melee who need it the most. and gives no hindrance to casters what so ever who don't even need it as badly since they're ranged in the first place.

I hope you realise how stupid an idea that is. Melees and casters both need their respective resources as much as each other, but TP can be regenerated incredibly rapidly via auto-attacks whilst MP can't. If casters were forced to use MP for sprinting they would be rendered completely useless whilst melees will have a few hundred TP back in a matter of seconds from auto-attacks. This just sounds like the age old 'I can't have so neither can they' attitude to me...

TP is essentially stamina. It makes sense that sprinting drains TP and it makes sense that only the physically oriented jobs share their primary resource with it. In terms of mechanics there is never a point in the game that truly requires sprinting so there's no argument to be made there. If anything though casters are more likely to actually need to sprint due to repositioning at range requiring players to cover more distance, whereas melees can often just sidestep a few feet to dodge a conal AOE or run right through a boss. Physical DPS jobs also have a multitude of gap-closers and repositioning tools that most of the casters do not.
05-09-2015, 11:25 AM
Houston009

This is "FFXIV: ARR" TP is not generated through Auto-attacks, it refreshes roughly every 3s for 60tp (in combat).

Just for clarification. ^^
05-09-2015, 12:26 PM
StouterTaru

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

What people need to understand is, Sprinting is rarely useful, if at all. I can't think of a single instance in which I sprint, I really can't. It's more novelty than anything. It's NOT a hindrance to ANY class because it isn't a NECESSITY.

I can't think of a single instance where I don't use sprint as BLM. I'm surprised more casters don't use it all the time. It's far from make or break, but I don't think any job has 2 cross class skills better than it.
05-09-2015, 06:55 PM
Odowla

You know what classes can do damage and move?

Monk/Dragoon/Ninja/Bard

What classes can't?

Summoner/Black Mage

I wonder why it costs TP to sprint.
05-09-2015, 07:34 PM
Zaft

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Originally Posted by Odowla

You know what classes can do damage and move?

Monk/Dragoon/Ninja/Bard

What classes can't?

Summoner/Black Mage

I wonder why it costs TP to sprint.

^This. Casters being able to sprint in battle helps offset the fact that they cannot act while moving.

Once there is a TP based cast that has to stand still to use their abilities, then you have my permission to complain.
05-09-2015, 08:52 PM
ColdestHeaven

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Originally Posted by Zaft

^This. Casters being able to sprint in battle helps offset the fact that they cannot act while moving.

Once there is a TP based cast that has to stand still to use their abilities, then you have my permission to complain.

That's probably a far stretch, but I did hear that Machinist would need to stand in one place to charge some of their attacks in order to deal more damage. And they are supposed to be Bard's counterpart, being ranged and physical, so they'd be TP based. Buuuuuut yeah, I think that due to how TP work, it's fair that Sprint would work like this. 2/3 melees already have movement-enhancing traits/abilities to help for that, then there are gap closers or teleports and so on.

Edit: y u no work keyboard
05-10-2015, 12:53 AM
Alberel

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Originally Posted by Houston009

This is "FFXIV: ARR" TP is not generated through Auto-attacks, it refreshes roughly every 3s for 60tp (in combat).

Just for clarification. ^^

Fair enough. Though it still refreshes much faster than MP. ;)
05-10-2015, 01:35 AM
Mitty_Tsuyoi

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Originally Posted by Viperbite

Not sure if this has been said before but i feel sprint should be used as a cool down instead of taking TP. Mage jobs having nothing to lose using sprint in fights as a DPS it will ruin you if invig is down.

sure was alot better than how sprint in 1.0 was implemented, where you need a Bard to actually sprint ( and do speed run in Dark hold ). and i have nothing against having sprint in a boss fight, where going from boss to add that normally takes 1 second ( or none if using steel peek, repelling shot, dragon fire dive, teleport! ) becomes 0.67 seconds.

in WOD, after each room i actually sprint most of the time ( even as a tank ), by the time i get to the next room i have full TP again. In DF with casters and whm ( aoe damages ), as a tank, i also use sprint to get from one group of mobs to the next cause i really just need flash! and off Cds.

but just back to the reasoning why sprint uses TP, it adds depth to the dificulty of the game. meaning sacrifice TP over sprint to do mechanic or hope your doing the mechanic just right with out sprint. and for those who is sprint happy, go caster or ninja/monk/brd. Ninja has a permanent 20% speed boost, mnk has OFF gcd fist of wind stance ( litterally cost nothing to dance between stances ), and bard has swift song. it gives theme uniqueness, instead of saying they all the same.
05-10-2015, 02:06 AM
Skeith-Adeline

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I can't think of a single instance where I don't use sprint as BLM. I'm surprised more casters don't use it all the time. It's far from make or break, but I don't think any job has 2 cross class skills better than it.

In which I "need" to sprint, sorry lol
05-10-2015, 03:40 AM
StouterTaru

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

In which I "need" to sprint, sorry lol

I realized what you were saying, there aren't any instances where I "need" to use Raging Strikes, or a healer "needs" to use swiftcast. Being able to do content without an ability doesn't mean it isn't damn useful.
05-11-2015, 04:28 AM
Skeith-Adeline

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I realized what you were saying, there aren't any instances where I "need" to use Raging Strikes, or a healer "needs" to use swiftcast. Being able to do content without an ability doesn't mean it isn't damn useful.

Bad comparison; really bad. Since my last post was eaten, I don't feel like matching the word limit again.

Then have all DRGs not use their cooldowns. It's not needed. Divine Seal? Who needs it. What's an Aetherflow stack?
Sprint does NOT equate to the usefulness of those abilities, including Swiftcast and Raging Strikes.

"I don't think any job has 2 cross class skills better than it."

Cleric Stance; Swiftcast? Invigorate; Blood for Blood; Internal Release?
05-11-2015, 09:39 AM
StouterTaru

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Bad comparison; really bad. Since my last post was eaten, I don't feel like matching the word limit again.

Then have all DRGs not use their cooldowns. It's not needed. Divine Seal? Who needs it. What's an Aetherflow stack?
Sprint does NOT equate to the usefulness of those abilities, including Swiftcast and Raging Strikes.

"I don't think any job has 2 cross class skills better than it."

Cleric Stance; Swiftcast? Invigorate; Blood for Blood; Internal Release?

In movement intensive fights it saves me at least one cast every time I use it, that's as useful as gimped down versions of cross class skills.
05-11-2015, 02:04 PM
Skeith-Adeline

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

In movement intensive fights it saves me at least one cast every time I use it, that's as useful as gimped down versions of cross class skills.

Was playing around tonight and /did/ notice I do use it to stack for Megaflares (even though cast clipping makes the Sprint toggle when I'm already there; stacking relatively close), and I do use it for Final Phase Earthshakers during the third set (to run behind them). Most of the time, AM treats me a better service. If it works for you, then hell, awesome stuffs honestly. I just don't see the usefulness at all, or at least what TP users believe.
05-11-2015, 11:31 PM
StouterTaru

AM is great for some situations, especially when you are in farm mode on content and know exactly where x member of your static will be at when you need to move. When you're new to content or a in PUG, sprint is a whole lot more reliable in many cases. I would say I use sprint multiple times on 7/9 of the current expert roulette bosses.
05-12-2015, 12:31 AM
Sanguisio

I agree its unfair it uses all your TP up.

But please dont compare mages and melees in that regard.

Casters need time to cast, melees insta attack. So while casters can get away without using sprint, when maximising stuff it really does help.

Maybe while underaffect of sprint tp regen is boosted so its not such a hit on melees who have trouble with movement.
05-12-2015, 01:22 AM
Riepah

Would be nice if Sprint didn't waste all TP at once but rather drained it during the duration. 1000 TP amount to 20 seconds of sprint, so if it drained 100 TP every 2 seconds while it's active and we could toggle it off, it'd be a lot better already.