[Suggestion] SAMURAI

First and foremost, this would be considered a Tank Role. To make it unique, it would focus on a special skill that only it would have: Counter. It would function like parry, however it would deal return damage based on your auto-attack and 10% of your main stat (dexterity for Samurai). So basically I've tried to create something akin to a parry/counter tank. I wanted to have elements of the SAM from XI present so I decided to use those skill names for the majority of the abilities and well as their ability and need to consume/replenish TP. Again I have included the abilities as an image (because well its a lot of text, and I can format it better on excel) and a copy of the image is in the hide bar. And again, Square-Enix feel feel to use any and all of these abilities!

LINK TO SAM ABILITY IMAGE

http://i.imgur.com/bVeyjhS.png

What do you think?

Edit 5/6/15: There was some clipping happening on abilities...not sure why because I used the auto size on excel and its supposed to make everything fit...stupid technology!

Defense skill would be Shirahadori and Hamedo.

Pretty sure Yoshida has mentioned before that Samurai would be more fitting in the role of a DPS rather than tank

-sigh- dont shatter my dreams like that :(

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Pretty sure Yoshida has mentioned before that Samurai would be more fitting in the role of a DPS rather than tank

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Yup, this pretty much. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he mentioned that Samurai would of been a Tank but instead they thought of Dark Knight which links up to Ishgard a lot better then Samurai, and decided to make Dark Knight a tank. My guess the condition for this is Samurai is going to be a DPS when it gets released in the future. Imo we're gonna have too many Slashing Tanks and that's it, we need more slashing DPS and that's where SAM comes in. Maybe the next tank will use a Hammer or something different from a sharp weapon.

Edit : On topic, I like the idea's tbh! But I doubt its going to be a tank

I hope Samurai will be a DPS job. we still have zero swordsman DPS since Paladin & Dark Knight are both tanks.

next dps job is gonna be a caster , they added melee (nin) , ranged ( MCH ) , so next is mage or maybe the 1 hybrid dps with 2 stances for melee or caster (think RDM / BLU)

stance for melee or for magic :P , STR gear for melee , or INT gear for caster :o

they are probably saving samurai for when we get to take back doma! :D

I do believe Yoshi-P stated awhile back that if Samurai enters the game as a job, it would be a DPS role, not a tank role.

As someone who was pulling for basically this exact idea, I'm a little disappointed that it seems like it'll be coming into the game as DPS. Not that it was bad as DPS in FFXI.

My favorite thing you got on SAM in FFXI was Overwhelm- just because it was so cool conceptually, doing more damage to enemies from the front. It really drove home the whole "Stand and Fight" feel the class had. That said, I think there's potential here for Samurai as DPS- maybe give them something like what they had in FF Tactics, drawing spirits out of their blades for various effects with sort of an exorcist angle to the class since Samurai vs Demons seems to be a thing.

God pls no. Enough with that 2handed tanks now.
I wait for that class since i started this game back in 1.0 and pls dont make it a tank we have more than enough 2 hand weapon tanks now, and no real 2 hand weapon meele.

At the risk of sounding snooty he also said he was going to put in wandering primals that could be summoned by Free Companies, cheap personal housing, the musketeer class, and many other things. The point of this being that unless its in the game, it can change, even if Yoshi-P says something. :P

Not saying that this idea couldn't easily turn into a DPS class with some tweaking though. :)

I would personally love to see samurai as a Tank due to DPS already have a ninja theme job. Samurai is a popular job so it being a tank will help the tank population. As far as a sword wielder/ caster for DPS- Red mage would be perfect for that.


The devs were considering samurai as a rank so that may be revisited again

Yoshi himself said it is not off the table but it did not sound like he was too interested atm tbh.
If it will happen at all i would expect it closer to the next expansion perhaps.
They had added Ninja so pretty much was the reason Sam was not added

Oh yeah, this is not something I'm suggesting for Heavensward. It's merely a suggestion to the developers, to possibly give them some fresh ideas (cloud sourcing and that kind of stuff you know) and to have healthy conversation with fellow forum goers (you guys and gals).

Oh also, I offered an idea for RDM (for those of the people saying they want a sword wielding DPS) you can see it here. LINK

i dont see why they wouldn't increase the usability of the class and make a tank (shogun) and dps (ronin/samurai) tree.

I remember reading if samurai was a tank job they would of renamed it as "Shogun" i cant remember where i read that

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Originally Posted by Pterois

i dont see why they wouldn't increase the usability of the class and make a tank (shogun) and dps (ronin/samurai) tree.

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and you beat me to it lol

I'd like to see a samurai that doesn't use a katana for a change, considering it was 1 of the least used weapon during actual warfare .. Not that that will ever happen ;)

I'm hoping that SAM comes in as a DPS. They've already put one class that a lot of people want to play in the least desired role; adding another is not going to make more tanks. it will just aggravate people and we'll only see SAM's in fates and hunts. SAM should go in as a DPS with a stance mechanic between two handed, and dual wielding. Add in Kiai's that can buff the party or debuff the enemy. DPS so far has no sword classes; that's something that need's to change.

its good, but try thinking more out side the box, we have dark knight coming and its going to be some wha of a spell blade user. beside if all Tank class use swords when do they make other sword user

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Originally Posted by Maero

They had added Ninja so pretty much was the reason Sam was not added

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actually it was a choice between drk or sam and drk won.

I won't speculate upon why this job won't ever get implemented as a tank because reasons...but rather I will answer your question in OP about what I think.

I like some of the concepts you have drawn up with your skills, especially counter attacking. However, I think in order to make a real assessment I would need to know exactly how much damage a counter-attack is supposed to mitigate. You do a good job at describing the % chance you have to actually land a counter with all of your skills, but the description in Counter skill says "Counter reduced damage taken and inflicts damage on target."

How much is the reduction? Is it similar to parry, where it can be in the 20-30% range? Is it more or less? Is the damage output from the counter exactly equal to the damage mitigated? Which of these moves generate more enmity than the other moves? I'm going to base my assumptions off of a "parry-esque" mitigation system and a (edit: sorry not 1-1 I explained that wrong after re-reading. I meant 1-.xx based on your parry rating i.e. 26% damage reduction meaning dealing out 26% of that as your own damage) ratio of damage mitigated = damage output, primarily because of the skill Tachi: Koki which allows for a 50% damage output. I am also going to assume that Tachi: Shoha is like the "Butcher's Block/Rage of Halone" for a Samurai.

I have a large problem with a few of the CD timers. This Job as described sounds much too bad-ass if played the way it is described. Let's assume you have a level 50 Samurai who has a base 40% chance to counter after getting Untouchable at level 48 (no tank job gets anything close to this in the game currently without some type of cooldown helping it). Tachi: Koki really seems like it should not be on a global cooldown timer and should have something more along the lines of a 60-90 sec timer. I am OK with it being the ending of a combo, but not being able to spam that combo at will. Hagakure seems like 20sec timer is too short.

Hypothetically, what I see is, I would open with Tachi: Goten (even on a single boss) and then Zanshin/Hagakure (these are off-GCD right? and you can couple them right?) my first Tachi: Shoha (which doubles+"increases" what already sounds like a whole boatload of enmity from a double attack move even with the 6sec delay between attacks.) You get to follow that with a huge 320 potency combo finisher, but depending on just how much enmity Shoha is intended to give it shouldn't even matter any more that Tachi: Ageha doesn't generate further enmity. If you are geared, and the enmity generation works similar to Rage of Halone or Butcher's Block, catching double enmity off Shoha would make it impossible for a DPS to pull off you during the delay+attack that gains no enmity.

After the opener it looks like you could literally just spam the Tachi: Enpi > Tachi: Kagero > Tachi: Koki combo forever, since the first two moves in that combo gain enmity also. And every 20 seconds (by your CD timers) you could double the enmity of Kagero, and that makes it seem like you would never be in danger of losing hate unless there was another tank to Provoke. It just doesn't seem risky enough to me to have a guaranteed counter for every 3rd attack with no repercussions. Coupled with the fact that at level 36 the Samurai can parry magical attacks....

I know in a raid setting a large portion of damage going out to the raid is magical, however Tanks eat a lot of physical damage. If you could 100% counter an auto-attack or a cleave (think Resonance in turn 11; huge damage = potential for high mitigation when percentage-based) every 3rd move in your combo it just sounds way to OP, unless I'm not grasping some inherent meaning you may or may not have implied into your skill set descriptions.

This is without looking at Konzen-ittai, which basically gives you either a 320 potency attack, or an instant-counter if you are out of combo every 30 seconds. And if I'm interpreting the traits correctly, at level 32 a Ronin will have 1500TP? And the ability to freely use their MP as TP if they happen to run out of that enormous pool?? I know you have assigned TP costs to things like Seigan, which sounds like it could be a traditional Cooldown, but the Cooldown timer on it shouldn't be shorter than the length the skill is active. This could be used with 100% uptime in most fights, and only would cause very minimal management issues in raids with being able to swap TP/MP.


I like the way you have conceptualized the class/job and it sounds extremely fun to play. However I can see some glaring balancing issues in what I described, and I would love for you to clarify or tell me that I'm wrong about some of this if I am interpreting incorrectly.

I want to be able to make skill chains by my lonesome, and then meditate.

Samurai should use dual Great Katanas!

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Originally Posted by RegentP

its good, but try thinking more out side the box, we have dark knight coming and its going to be some wha of a spell blade user. beside if all Tank class use swords when do they make other sword user

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I thought a completely new idea of a counter and parry tank to be pretty original, currently nothing can counter, in the sense that damage is returned to the monster. Parry does not do this, it merely acts as a way to reduce damage. O.o

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

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Counter's damage reduced would be akin to that of parry's reduced damage, so it would vary on percent countered but probably average around 25-30% of the damage reduced, like parry, but can reach upwards of 70% (like parry can), and as low as 5%. Counter is separate from parry but both cannot proc at the same time (unlike Parry and Block from Sword/Shield which can). The attack returned would be something like your auto-attack damage + 10% of your main offensive stat. So if you have 600 main stat it would be [auto-attack damage equation + 60]. So nothing like a weapon skill's damage output but something to inflict a bit more DPS.

On the note of counter's proc rate, I was on the fence about lowering it. Maybe I should? When I was talking to my fellow 'theory crafters' this was actually brought up and if actualized SE would have to look into this in practice.

It is 100% chance to reduce the damage taken on counter proc to 50%. So if you were going to get cleaved for 5k you would only take 2.5k, and your rebuttal attack would deal [auto-attack damage equation + 10% of main stat]

Hagakure would work kinda like a Flash or Overpower (which are just GCD abilities); I changed up Shoha a bit, now if you combo it, the effect grants enmity to the 1st hit, so both hits would increase enmity. Which I think balances this ability a bit more (Hagakure would only affect the 1st hit of Shoha not the second in terms of the enmity spike)

The idea for Seigan and Hasso was to create a constant TP drain on the job if you wanted to keep them up at all times. I tweaked the TP values for their weapon skills to provide more of a drain. Konzen-ittai would probably need to be increased to 50-60s CD. But I would think SAM to have an MP pool similar to WAR i120 (700-800MP) and an HP pool slightly more than PLD i120 (8500-9000HP)

Things I would like to note, unlike the other tanking roles, SAM has no way of healing itself, it would have to rely on any cross-class abilities to give it healing power. It also only primarily deals single target damage. (Goten only creates enmity in the cone, not dmg+enm in the cone)

A viable rotation for this tanking role would be (Main Tank @50)

Counter-Stance → Seigan (-90TP) → Tachi: Goten (-70TP) → Hagakure → Tachi: Shoha (-160TP) → Zanshin (-80TP) → Tachi: Ageha (90TP) → Tachi: Enpi (-60TP) → Tach: Kogeru (-70TP) → Sekkanoki → Tachi: Koki (-0MP) → Hamanoha (-80TP)
Then sprinkle Third Eye, Kozen, Yaegasumi, and Indignation when applicable. That rotation uses 700TP (with Sekkanoki) or 780TP (without Sekkanoki which would be roughly ever other rotation), you would regain 360TP naturally (60TP a tick) so after one rotation you would be from 1500TP to 1160TP and by the 2nd rotation 830TP, 3rd rotation 660TP, 4th rotation 350TP, 5th rotation 0TP (6th and 7th rotations under MEDITATE; allows for roughly two TP free rotations meaning you would recover 720TP in that time frame), 8th rotation 300TP, 9th rotation 280TP (w/ Invigorate), 10th rotation negative TP.

Now of course that is if you are powering through all your abilities all the time, 1) you won't need to use them all the time and 2) you also will have Save TP [trait] that has a chance to give you back your TP when you use it (30% chance @lv50) so out of 10 rotations that is 135 abilities. Statistically speaking that means roughly 40 of them should give you back your TP, allowing you to make it to your 12th rotation and being able to use meditate again.

If people want SAM to be a tank so badly then provide a alternative to a Sword focus user DPS Job because right now FF14 has this imaginary rule saying " All sword users must be Tank Jobs".

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Pretty sure Yoshida has mentioned before that Samurai would be more fitting in the role of a DPS rather than tank

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Can you provide us with a link to this fact?

To my knowlegde, SAM was a serious option for HW (as a tank). They went with DRK because it would fit the scene more and because NIN was the last job to be released. SAM would make it too "eastern focused".

Would love to read the info you gave. Hope it's not that Famitasu interview where Yoshi-P mentioned SAM would fit as a DPS too.

Technically DRK should of been a dps and SAM a tank but I'm happy with them switching either way (excited for DRK). We do have too many slashing tanks anyway, I think a spear tank (templar) would be cool. otherwise maybe a hammer or a pet based tank? PUP maybe?

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Pretty sure Yoshida has mentioned before that Samurai would be more fitting in the role of a DPS rather than tank

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Nothing wrong with disagreeing with him on that one. Firstly because we don't have many jobs that can can naturally be pushed into the tank role (the whole thing with DRK easily showed this). Secondly, a guy in lamellar armor (which is what samurai wore) not taking hits is just silly. Sure, lamellar armor can't take the same type of hits as well as plate armor can, but it wouldn't be unreasonable for SAM to have a mitigation mechanic to still bring them up to par with WAR and PLD.

I could be convinced to accept SAM as a DPS, but they'd have to pretty much look like this instead of this.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I could be convinced to accept SAM as a DPS, but they'd have to pretty much look like this instead of this.

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Which actual samurai never did in battle, but I guess people want animes instead.

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

Which actual samurai never did in battle, but I guess people want animes instead.

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It was peeve of mine in FFXI. I saw a guy in armor (SAM) but he was not a tank (despite having the highest parry rating, but XI was weird when it came to mechanics it gave out). All I'm saying is that if you keep the lamellar armor, you should make it a tank. If you're gonna make it DPS, there are aesthetics and a time period you can take inspiration from, but it should look different (not to mention lighter than how samurai is normally portrayed).

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

If people want SAM to be a tank so badly then provide a alternative to a Sword focus user DPS Job because right now FF14 has this imaginary rule saying " All sword users must be Tank Jobs".

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So the giant axe is a sword lol

i just gonna throw my vote in i agree with the parry tank idea, but perhaps he should be a dual swordsman example ( Katana/Wakizashi) one bigger one smaller.
if they separate it into shogun (tank) and samurai (dps) i reckon shogun should use the dual swordsman weapon choice.
Also for a throw attack which all classes seem to have, have them throw kamas lol
And throw in a kessan (baton fan) as a stun lol

Good idea, however, I question its balance capability when put up against the current tanks, or even the future ones. The toggle skill would require some hashing out. Exactly how much damage will be negated? How much potency would be inflicted back? Would it be based on the damage received like a porcupine skill or a calculate damage based on attack and an internal potency? Then you slip in something like Inner Focus, which has a vast effect on a tanking class. To be able to parry magical attacks? No tank can currently do this, then combined with a skill that increases parry rate by 10% on a cooldown shorter than the duration? Not to mention a relatively low TP use for such a buff that lasts a full 30 seconds and still doesn't stop the toggle from taking effect. Sure, many of the skills in question have a slightly higher TP consumption, but you also provide a skill which sacrifices MP for TP, which warriors have begged for I might add, and traits which ignore TP requirements as well as other traits that cause TP to be negated from a skill's use up to almost a 1 out of 3 skills having their TP being refunded, then a job skill which entirely negates TP useage in place of MP usage for 60 seconds, which I might warn you, could land the tank in hot water in circumstances that they might find themselves already low on MP. You also provide for a 40% chance to counter attacks, which begs to question exactly how much damage is negated from attacks that are counted if just under half of all attacks are countered, are magic attacks able to be countered? (ex: Cloud of Darkness' Spam attack is considered magical, can not be blocked, dodged, or parried) Then, you provide two skills that can stun targets and one that silences. One stun on a 20s CD, and one silence on a 20s CD, and one AOE stun (Which no class has) on a 40s CD. I'm not saying these three crowd control skills are way out of balance as they all require TP to use, but to put some perspective, the only silence on a lower CD than 20 seconds is Monk's and it requires 130 TP and silences all enemies near by, however, the only real practical use for this skill is still single target. How often do you really have 2 or 3 mobs casting big hits at the exact same time? The only other silences in the game are single target, and have 30 second CDs, but don't require TP, however, to say a TP cost is a balancing factor is hardly an argument. They are good skills, and I do see their balance, but I'd be careful with an AOE stun specifically, which only has a 30 second CD and a lower TP cost than Shield Bash. It has much more strength behind it than an AOE silence does, since Stuns have many more applications for crowd control.

This class seems very single target oriented to be honest. I'd suggest a rework for more large group reworking and less single target capability. Take the toggle skill for instance. "While under Counter-Stance target's melee attacks have a 35% chance to be countered" This line infers that only your main target can be countered. Well, many dungeons 50 and up revolve around large trash pulls, so if you have no real benefit for those kinds of pulls besides a 10% increase in parry rate, then you're going to be torn into confetti, or ignored all together for a class that can blanket negate damage like a Paladin or deal with the high damage like a Warrior. A skill that can cause all melee attacks to be countered would be better in this case. However, you're still looking at being passed over for another class against enemies that have more blanketing mitigation against magic damage. This class has entirely too much RNG in it to be quite effective. The skills that you have to keep up like your Parry buff provide no help against spike damage like Raven's Beak or Raven's Accent in T9 or Ank Morn (sp?) in T13. Predictable high spike damage will shred this Samurai apart like paper. You'll get passed over for classes that have more cooldowns available for such things and less RNG to their defenses. The only real CD for defense you show is on a CD longer than Hallowed Ground and only blocks "special or telegraphed" skills. What does special mean? 420 seconds sure is a long time for a skill that has to be popped on such a predictable instance, since the buff it provides is only 5 seconds. Even Perfect Dodge is only 120 seconds. The 3rd strike to your single target spam skill is a good thought, but such things generate a large conflict of interest. Waste it to go back to generating enmity, or save it to block a large damaging skill that is coming in about 5 seconds? You now have to either wait and stand there and do nothing, or do something and risk being pulverized when the counter gets wasted by an auto attack before the big hit comes. Since you have locked this skill into a combo effect, it has a built in draw back like Monks with Arm of the Destroyer. Also, give a duration for this buff. Is it 2 seconds? or 5? or 10? Is there time to switch to another combo before you should refresh it? Too many questions and possible draw backs for this, and there's too much going on all at once on one skill, things that could be removed, like the dot, in place of increased potency and enmity instead. The dot is entirely too long for a skill that is so obviously part of a 1,2,3 combo. I'd replace it for a slightly higher potency with enmity, since currently, all you have in this combos is two attacks with relatively low potency with enmity. My reasoning is because of how enmity works in this game. It's based of the damage inflicted initially by a skill (except in Flash's case, where it's based on attack power). With low potency, you have low lower damage, and lower enmity, resulting in a possible loss of agro, even with all your other skills or cooldowns that boost enmity gain. This third hit is really the one that you want to put your enmity boost on. If you really want a dot that bad, I'd suggest placing it on the first or second skill in this combo instead. My money is on the second skill, and lowering its potency by about 50 but lower the duration of the dot to about 12 seconds and remove the "buff". I'd keep the enmity boost on both of the first skills though, and increase the potency of the 3rd to at least 250 and give it an enmity boost. So, it would look something like this:

Tachi: Enpi - 100 potency, increased enmity
Tachi: Kagero - 100 Potency, increased enmity. Combo effect: 15 potency fire damage for 12 seconds
Tachi: Koki - 250 Potency, increased enmity, Combo effect: Counter next incoming melee attack for 50% reduced damage and a potency of 100 for 10 seconds

This is better tool tip as it explains how much the countered damage is worth (Like Vengeance) and tells you how long the duration of the buff is. However, I'd still not "rely" on this kind of buff for things like Raven's Beak, or Ahk Morn (sp?) since it's easy for it to be wasted by an auto attack. Still, it isn't quite enough for big pulls either (assuming I'm right about the toggle skill tool tip) as 1 hit out of 7 or 8 hits coming in is very small in comparison to a full 20% of damage from all sources, or a 20% boost in healing in. Even 'relying' on 40% of hits to be lowered is a lot to leave up to chance when you're talking about RNG. It's a huge risk to take.

As for your AOE spam it's a good thought. Warrior already have the frontal cone that does damage, and Paladin already has the self centered AOE that does no damage. It seems like you kind of tried to split the difference, but came up with something that feels a but more like an awkward step brother. I would have reduced the range by 1 yalm and the potency by about 30 but spread it out over the entire AOE, instead of just 1 target to give it more application towards group pulls. A combo skill off of it was a good idea, and I like the combo you came up with. Seems like something that would be good for using against groups of mobs. However, the TP usage of the first skill is drastically low. So much that it seems very easy to abuse for these kinds of pulls, especially for a class that seems like it would get shredded in large pulls (unless the tooltip for your toggle buff is wrong). The skills that follow are pretty good, but feel like they should have been more a part of your single target rotation and not an aoe enmity rotation, especially with such high potency on them, but their TP consumption is quite high for single target attacks, while the AOE enmity generator is so much lower in comparison. The balancing aspects aren't really there. If anything, I'd have reduced the second and third skills to at least 70 and increased the first AOE skill to be more than Warrior's at about 150. You provide way too many TP management abilities to risk losing out on a balancing factor on an aoe enmity generator, which should not be so spam able. You risk dumbing down the class too much in this way. If you're going to make a class that is so much about TP management, then don't make such skills that become bread and butter in such situations able to be abused. You already have two levels of combo skills after this attack that provide for ample time between using it again, so make sure there is a high incentive to use them, instead of just spamming the aoe enmity skills over and over at a loss of pretty much just a 5% buff to your counter buff (which again, seems underpowered if I am right about the tool tip)

Other skills that leave a lot of question:

Indignation: What is the duration of the buff? Potency of the attack? So if the incoming attack is only worth a base 50 potency, you counter with an attack equal to a potency of 25 for your attack that gets then augmented by your str and attack power like any normal attack? That's very weak for a 300 second CD
Hasso: How much does it lower your counter attack and parry? Is it negligible or is it significant? 15 potency isn't much, so is the loss just as small?


While the basics are there, AOE enmity, single target enmity, a good concept on a toggle, and an overall sense of resource management and usage, finer points need to be hashed out better to make a functioning tank. From a personal stand point, I would have liked Samurai as a tank. It's a class that makes sense using armor, it's a different kind of slashing class, and there are other kinds of slashing classes that could be use as DPS instead. (Fencer, Red Mage) My suggestions is go back and consider more useful cooldowns on lower timers. Things that can be popped for big boss mechanics. I'd change the AOE stun to a guaranteed Parry on a 30 second CD. Parry isn't such an overpowered mechanic, and it can be applied, thanks to your trait, to magic attacks as well.

TLDR: relying on RNG makes for a really bad tank.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

link pl0x

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3 seconds quick googlez

Game Watch (JP) - Nov 2014
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...12_673698.html

Comics Gaming Magazine - Mar 2015
http://www.cgmagonline.com/articles/...-with-yoshi-p/

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with him on that one. Firstly because we don't have many jobs that can can naturally be pushed into the tank role (the whole thing with DRK easily showed this). Secondly, a guy in lamellar armor (which is what samurai wore) not taking hits is just silly. Sure, lamellar armor can't take the same type of hits as well as plate armor can, but it wouldn't be unreasonable for SAM to have a mitigation mechanic to still bring them up to par with WAR and PLD.

I could be convinced to accept SAM as a DPS, but they'd have to pretty much look like this instead of this.

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Yea... and DRG wears plate mail and have a reputation of tanking the floor. I don't really care whether samurai is tank or dps, just saying Yoshida have repeated said that samurai would fit the role of DPS more than a tank.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

3 seconds quick googlez

Game Watch (JP) - Nov 2014
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...12_673698.html

Comics Gaming Magazine - Mar 2015
http://www.cgmagonline.com/articles/...-with-yoshi-p/

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To be fair in the most recent interview linked, he doesn't really say SAM = DPS. He's more pondering the application of Samurai in the game, and which role it would better suited. Not really a "statement" saying one thing or the other.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

To be fair in the most recent interview linked, he doesn't really say SAM = DPS. He's more pondering the application of Samurai in the game, and which role it would better suited. Not really a "statement" saying one thing or the other.

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English interview

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Would it be a tank? But that doesn’t seem to make sense because Samurai seems to be more of a DPS. Or if we were to go in the vein of a tank, wouldn’t it be a Shogun?

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JP interview

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僕の中の侍のイメージは、着流しに刀を下げ、居合の達人という感じです。どちらかと言えば、ロールはDPSのイメージの方が強いのです。

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Both pretty much saying that his view of samurai leans strongly towards DPS than tank. I never said it MUST be a DPS, just saying Yoshida feels that it fits the role of DPS more.

Oh not saying you did, just saying that like some things Yoshi-P has said in the past, it doesn't mean that it will be that way, or come to fruition in that manner.

To the manner of his Shogun statement though (just for giggles), a Shogun was just a general of an army, it doesn't really imply that it was a protector or defender. However Samurai literally translates into "Warrior Knight" and was a variant of saburai "to be in attendance, to serve"

If we are looking at root words we can also get this:
[Japanese, warrior, from Old Japanese samurafi : sa-, pref. of unknown meaning + morafi, to watch, frequentative of mor-, to guard.]

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That being said in the world of Final Fantasy the Samurai was usually depicted as a Damage Dealer, sometimes though 'mystical' like arts and sometimes through shear swordsmanship skills. Either way I cannot really see a better suited parry/counter type tank that could be added from existed Jobs in the FF universe.

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Originally Posted by xanmoas

So the giant axe is a sword lol

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That is not the point I'm making and by your comment you missed the point I was making.

Yes we have a Axe user as one of the tanks but right now all Sword Users are going into Tank Jobs being Paladin and Dark Knight both bring Sword users and placed. Tank Jobs role.

A Sword User DPS Job is something people been wanting for a while now but so far we have yet to gain it. Adding SAM as a DPS Job would be one way to add a Sword focused user DPS Job and with FF series lack of Sword users we have limited choices now when a good amount of the sword users can only be seen more suited for Tank Jobs for FF14 when they can be suited for DPS role as well if adjusted right in FF14.

You can add Red Mage as a DPS job but it is not really known for being sword users but a Job that uses Magic and having a sword more for cosmetic iconic image.

Other than SAM, we also have Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer as a possible canidate for a sword user type DPS Job if they are adjust right.