Does 3 min recast for elusive jump seem excessive to anyone else?

When moves like repelling shot, sukuchi, aetherial manipulation, quelling strikes all have recasts of 1 min, why does elusive jump get a 3 min cooldown? It just seems like an excessive recast for a similar ability to all those listed, particularly long when you compare to to other 3 min cooldowns like sentinel.

Because you are the only dps in the game with 3 gap closers.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Because you are the only dps in the game with 3 gap closers.

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Pretty much this. I main DRG, and I would love to Elusive Jump much more often, but I can see why they did this. With Spineshatter Dive's CD reduced to just 60s, we usually have movement when it's needed. We can still move between two add groups and back to a boss with the skills we have as they are now.

It's also the only skill that both moves you AND decreases your enmity.

Quelling Strikes is 2 minutes. Elusive removes heavy and bind, gets you out of AoE, and lowers enmity. All the others do only one of those 3 things.

Yea, it isn't a one trick pony like shukuchi and Aetherial Manipulation.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Yea, it isn't a one trick pony like shukuchi and Aetherial Manipulation.

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It kinda is in any content where balance matters, that is FCOB. Correct me if I'm wrong though but the only use elusive jump has is the same as shukuchi and AM, a gap closer/avoiding aoe. The enmity reduction is quite useless except for one or 2 scenarios, there aren't any bind mechanics and the only reason you get a heavy is if you fucked up.

As for gap closers we have 1 every 60 sec, 1 every 120 sec and 1 every 180 sec, that would make 11 gap closers in 360 seconds, compared to MNKs 30 sec gap closer with 12 gap closers in 360 sec. Adding a 1 min cooldown to elusive jump would change that to 13 gap closers over MNKs 12 which isn't goin to make any difference in the balance. It would increas the DRGs uptime which might even out the DPS a bit.

Poor Dragoons. They got a buff, featured in the trailer, featured in the benchmark. They just can't get any love, can they? SMNs on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by Krindor

It kinda is in any content where balance matters, that is FCOB. Correct me if I'm wrong though but the only use elusive jump has is the same as shukuchi and AM, a gap closer/avoiding aoe. The enmity reduction is quite useless except for one or 2 scenarios, there aren't any bind mechanics and the only reason you get a heavy is if you fucked up.

As for gap closers we have 1 every 60 sec, 1 every 120 sec and 1 every 180 sec, that would make 11 gap closers in 360 seconds, compared to MNKs 30 sec gap closer with 12 gap closers in 360 sec. Adding a 1 min cooldown to elusive jump would change that to 13 gap closers over MNKs 12 which isn't goin to make any difference in the balance. It would increas the DRGs uptime which might even out the DPS a bit.

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The thing about Elusive is that, as many mentioned, it has too much utility concentrated - halved enmity saved my ass too many times, even within Coil. It was never meant to be a mere gap closer like Aetherial or Shukuchi.

Our Spineshatter Dive isn't that bad, though the Stun might make it prohibitive in certain scenarios (things like Dreads in T5). Imho, Spineshatter is the best gap closer anyway - no clumsiness in having to click an area, or choose a party member, or having to be farther than x yalms. One minute cooldown, too.

Monks may be able to use their gap closer more often, but they also have no ranged attack and GL to worry about, unlike DRG. Not to mention, our arsenal is both more flexible and less cumbersome than any other job's in terms of mobility already.

How about SE just make all the melee with the same moves. Then we dnt have anything to bitch about. Mnk/drg need trick,goad, each others gap closers and mudras too. Nin needs DK,disembowel and all gap closers. That way we can all play face roll classes. Give us all berserk too, we know its unfair that a war has that but us melee dont.

Elusive is most often used to get out of "ohsh*t" aoe's when mobs are positioned poorly and there's too many overlapping aoes or not enough time to run out of the way. I almost never use it to shed enmity or remove heavy/bind unless i'm heavy'd from riding choco i can dismount, elusive, remount.

The main reason why its CD is so long, is most likely the enmity reducing part. Every other enmity reducing ability has at least a CD of 2 mins like quelling strikes, since it does a bit more it gets a CD of 3 mins.

I think it suffers a bit from the same issues as Holmgang. It tries to do too many things at once, which means that it doesnt do any of those things particularly well. All of the things it does are relevant in some form or another, the problem though is, that in most cases you really only want one of the three functions and in that case the CD might seem excessive.

Let's talk about how enkindle is in a 5 minute cooldown. An ability that does between 250-300 potency depending which egi you use. Five minutes........

Well we can wait 2 mo til HW and see if we get anymore new jumps/dives :D.

I think it's pretty okay where it is. I wouldn't mind a 2 min CD but it's not necessary. Every DRGs in coils know the optimal time to use elusive jump. If done right, it's usually up and ready by the next time you have to use it again. I'm normally not in a position where I'm like, Oh shit, I gotta run all the way over there lol! And Even If I were, wouldn't matter much, not like I have GL to maintain like MNKs xD

Didn't elusive jump also remove bind slow? Also lowers hate?

the cooldown on elusive jump is probably something that just got skipped over in each of the tweaks to dragoons, at 2.0 launch i ran with a lot of dragoons that had to use it for the enmity reduction due to the lower enmity generation of tanks at the time, obviously that is now a non issue (which to me takes most of the challenge out of tanking but thats another issue entirely), but because it didnt actually deal damage its fairly easy to push it aside when the issue with dragoons was primarily DPS and survivability from magic hits.

Just know that, enkindle is a gimp flare on a 5 minute cooldown. Howling Fist is a slightly stronger rockbreaker on a 1 min cooldown,

You know, they slap stupidly lengthy cooldowns on pretty much everything for no reason.

Also please don't compare monk gap closers to dragoon. Dragoon has a ranged attack and they don't lose a massive damage buff when they don't have uptime on a mob. If any class should have significantly better gap closers, it should be monk considering their lack of ranged options and the awful greased lightning mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

Just know that, enkindle is a gimp flare on a 5 minute cooldown. Howling Fist is a slightly stronger rockbreaker on a 1 min cooldown,

You know, they slap stupidly lengthy cooldowns on pretty much everything for no reason.

Also please don't compare monk gap closers to dragoon. Dragoon has a ranged attack and they don't lose a massive damage buff when they don't have uptime on a mob. If any class should have significantly better gap closers, it should be monk considering their lack of ranged options and the awful greased lightning mechanic.

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Dragoon has 2 gap closers, at 60 seconds and 120 seconds (and elusive if you count it at 180 seconds), versus monk with one at 30 seconds. Regular jump is just an off GCD attack with a huge range, that is pretty much the opposite of a gap closer.

Monk's gap closer stuns, as does the 60 second DRG, so they are not usable on the rare bosses that can be stunned and need to be at certain times.

Elusive jump doesn't automaticaly removes you from AOE. Your hitbox STAYS where you first are, and only moves when you are about to land back. While it is a good move for removing extra emnity, the "Evasive" portion of it lacks a lot.

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Originally Posted by RubenSnizzle

Elusive jump doesn't automaticaly removes you from AOE. Your hitbox STAYS where you first are, and only moves when you are about to land back. While it is a good move for removing extra emnity, the "Evasive" portion of it lacks a lot.

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this is all due to the server position update times and your own ping, it does actually move you, its just difficult to use in many scenarios because of this. with that said, i've seen dragoons elusive out of bombs in titan ex and then spineshatter back in without pausing and not get hit, not nessasary to maintain dps but it proves my point well enough

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Originally Posted by Zamii

this is all due to the server position update times and your own ping, it does actually move you, its just difficult to use in many scenarios because of this. with that said, i've seen dragoons elusive out of bombs in titan ex and then spineshatter back in without pausing and not get hit, not nessasary to maintain dps but it proves my point well enough

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It's not just this game, in Wildstar if you Projected Spirit, which is a leap like teleport, the death zone or ability will hit you if it reaches your starting point before you actually land.

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

It's not just this game, in Wildstar if you Projected Spirit, which is a leap like teleport, the death zone or ability will hit you if it reaches your starting point before you actually land.

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most mmos use a similar setup to what ffxiv uses in order to prevent server overload, so its no wonder theres a similar effect in wildstar.
on that note, it doesnt change the fact that it has a use for dodging, how quickly you need to dodge using the skill is another thing entirely

I agree. Ninja's skill works in the same fashion, you just have to use it preemptively.

Dragoons need a buff, as do Monks.

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Originally Posted by Brianmj

Dragoons need a buff, as do Monks.

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No, they both need nerfs, just because, especially with several new skills coming with the expansion.