Warrior: Str or Vit?

So I've been researching on whether a warrior should focus on str or vit and I've come up blank. Most of the stuff I've read are either 50/50 or possibly outdated. I looked through the forums and can't find an answer either. I just turned 50 and I'm now in the process of beefing up my item level. I currently got all 30 of my bonus attributes on str and currently undecided on what accessories to spend my tomes of soldiery on, str or vit.

Vit during progression, Str for farm.

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Originally Posted by kenn_gonz

So I've been researching on whether a warrior should focus on str or vit and I've come up blank. Most of the stuff I've read are either 50/50 or possibly outdated. I looked through the forums and can't find an answer either. I just turned 50 and I'm now in the process of beefing up my item level. I currently got all 30 of my bonus attributes on str and currently undecided on what accessories to spend my tomes of soldiery on, str or vit.

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If you're a fresh 50 just go full vit. You might actually lower group DPS by going full strength, because the healer will need to watch you more carefully.

When you can comfortably manage the level of content you aim for, shift into str.

As a War myself, go vit. Your role is a tank, yes dps is good, but if each member of the party plays their role well, instances go well. Hit the vit and tank like a champ. Mix it up down the track if you like, if you really like the idea of str, maybe a dps class is calling you.

The thing about war is that they have abilities that benefit from more strength such as bloodbath storms path and inner beast. Because of this war benefit from strength while tanking as well as more dps. No war should need 12k hp. Its a waste to be honest. Go full strength.

coughcough

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Originally Posted by kenn_gonz

I just turned 50

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Originally Posted by Lebannen

No war should need 12k hp.

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im 130 warr, both stats are important, str for keeping agro and vit for survive, i have the 30 extra points in vit, and in my accesoris i have 3 vit and 2 str, so i have a balance in dps and heal.

You need VIT enough to meet the HP threshold for the content your doing, and everything beyond that is surplus.

I'm doing FCOB with 10200 out of party, which bumps to about 10500 in party.. Prior to Echo I'd be full strength speced with pentamelds, which would get me to be around 11000 for 13, which is more than enough for everything. I find that T13 pre-echo was the only thing I'd use more than 10500 hp for as War. With echo, it's more than enough.

While you're gearing up, Vit. Once you get somewhere in the 10k range with Defiance, go Str. But.. Only if you know how to manage CDs in a given fight.

So basically Vit until you know you could shed some. This applies to bonus points and accessories.

The advice so far is sound. Once your base HP is 6k (before defiance) start stacking STR. By the time you are geared for FCoB you'll have the remaining HP you need.

Your first change from VIT to STR should always be with your attribute points since pound for pound it is the biggest boost. After that start messing with your accessories.

I'm not fully geared, but I have a mix. I think I end up with around 9500 HP in parties, but I only use WAR for dungeons. From attribute allocations I did full VIT. It was useful while leveling and I can make up the difference on accessories just as easily. This was the easier route for me because I main MNK so I had augmented ironworks accessories or slaying anyway.

In any case, you can mess with your stat distribution a bit if you like, but I find it sufficient to get my HP to 10,000, then swap a tank accessory for a melee accessory (for the content I'm doing).

Go VIT, switch to STR when you feel comfortable doing so.

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Originally Posted by Carvaka

As a War myself, go vit. Your role is a tank, yes dps is good, but if each member of the party plays there role well, instances go well. Hit the vit and tank like a champ. Mix it up down the track if you like, if you really like the idea of str, maybe a dps class is calling you.

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"Your role is tank", which consists both of soaking the damage and holding the enmity. Strength helps damage, which helps gain enmity, which helps you soak the damage.
Just like healers who can, or are expected to, DPS in their downtime, tanks are very well in the right for finding a balance between enough VIT to run the content with enough STR to output above average damage.

You always want to use as little VIT as possible. Any HP that is not needed is wasted. On the other hand, STR increases your damage output, your threat generation, and the amount you parry/block for.

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Originally Posted by Carvaka

As a War myself, go vit. Your role is a tank, yes dps is good, but if each member of the party plays there role well, instances go well. Hit the vit and tank like a champ. Mix it up down the track if you like, if you really like the idea of str, maybe a dps class is calling you.

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That's about the worst advice I've heard outside of "don't DPS as a healer".

Build a set of both VIT & STR then mix and match depending on the fight and the level of group competence.

Splitting your allotment can help too, personally my WAR is 30 STR, PLD is 20 STR 10 VIT. I wear or mix slaying more often than not on WAR because OT duty hardly requires heavy HP in most fights.

I go full full str as a warrior and keep vit assesories on hand just incase the healers are not up too it. I read people say you're a tank your job is to tank. And well it's true but it's how your class tank which make it more effective. I learned strength benefits me more not for dps reasons only but survival as well. Blood bath and storm and inner beast plus the monks ability makes it's life easier on you as far as self heals go. If you can manage your cd and off skill cd towards your build you will appreciate how much strenght helps.

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Originally Posted by Carvaka

As a War myself, go vit. Your role is a tank, yes dps is good, but if each member of the party plays their role well, instances go well. Hit the vit and tank like a champ. Mix it up down the track if you like, if you really like the idea of str, maybe a dps class is calling you.

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I stand corrected by more experienced players. Having said that, I am a relatively new tank, so good to learn.

there is two way to gain force on a war :
Put force with your point, use of force accesories but also use crafted vit + force accesories

To me you can get ride of 500 HP and gain the more force you can , the better way would be put your point to vitality with your level point,
and use ilevel110 craft melee accesories + vita or tank accesories + force.
Choose the main stat , i saw many war advoid having parade on them and try to get crit or deter bonus when them reach the vita +force cap.
Parade is needed ?
when you get a parade succes it's just luck for a war, you don't get it when your healer need, so i think you can do without it. also pld have more shield swipe pop with more parade on them, this increase the dps if you do it, parade on pld give you luck to protect yourself and also to inscrease your dps, so the parade stat is more interesting on pld than a war.
The War main stat would be for me Vita/force/crit/deter

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Originally Posted by Carvaka

I stand corrected by more experienced players. Having said that, I am a relatively new tank, so good to learn.

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No, don't just lie down and assume that they're right. You're mostly right as well. A Tank must indeed prioritize survival before damage and if everyone else is doing well you'll certainly beat the enemy whether you're speccing for Mitigation or Damage; the only difference is in the time taken to finish the instance. The Tank who specs toward Strength isn't intrinsically bad as long as they're continuing to make sure that their survival is certain, but the Tank who puts damage before survival is the one who might as well just play a DPS class. This is why many of the people giving advice here keep saying things like "get X VIT and then go STR" or "stay in VIT until you're comfortable with the job/role/fight". As a self proclaimed "new tank", you are absolutely doing things right at the moment. Just keep getting that practice and gear in and you can increase your flexibility :)

The extra 30 points should go into strength. I would say get as close to 10500 health and throw the rest into strength. This is what Im working with. that would probably mean all crafted accessories but im to cheep with that so 3 ilvl130 str accessories and 2 ilvl 130 Vit will do :D

with the 110 vita/force you would gain near 70 force and loose some hp 500 if you gear with 130 vita.
so yeah it's cheaper like you said, you just loose some HP by doing that
i have 573 Force, 11410 not in group (more than 12000 with my food) still it's the better way to get survivabilty and get a good dps/aggro up
but yeah if you don't craft and make gils, it can look like crazy expensive HP+force for your war, i guess everybody already kill their gils for the relic :/

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Originally Posted by melflomil

The extra 30 points should go into strength. I would say get as close to 10500 health and throw the rest into strength. This is what Im working with. that would probably mean all crafted accessories but im to cheep with that so 3 ilvl130 str accessories and 2 ilvl 130 Vit will do :D

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10500 is t13 levels (after food echo ext). 6000 before defiance is enough for everything except t13/savage.

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Originally Posted by Carvaka

I stand corrected by more experienced players. Having said that, I am a relatively new tank, so good to learn.

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You're not really wrong for thinking what you did. More HP is a safety net against mistakes made by the team, which is certainly a justified plan B to have on hand. Most experienced tanks are speaking from a point where we're overgeared, highly practiced, and will almost always run content with teams that make few to no mistakes, allowing for a pure DPS build. The line is certainly flexible, but is still formed around your (and your party's) equipment strength, playing skill, and practice.

It's just a more flexible line than your first post implied. :p

Thanks for all the info guys! Really helping me out a lot especially when there's specifics. I guess I'll go hybrid str and vit as of now and slowly change to a str build as I get more comfortable with the game.

Im sure others may disagree, but I split my stats at 10 str and 20 vit. Then again, I know what I can handle and what I cant. I've always viewed War as a hybrid class and I stat him as such.
Yes, there are negatives to this split, but it all comes down to what makes you feel comfortable.
I even put my accessories at 2 str accessories and 3 vit accessories.
I have very little tanking issues and what ones I do have are easily corrected with a provoke+steel cyclone.
Dont be afraid to experiment and find your comfort zone.

Acc. Min HP threshold(vit).STR.DET.CRIT. In that order.

Thank you all who have taken the time to shed some light on this subject.

I find that our stat allocation in FFXIV seems to be set in a way where we only have a small margin of flexibility to play with, and it seems to me that stats are there for situational flexibility.
I observe many players searching for "the formula", and while there can be many, your own approach to the game is what defines such "formula".
Stats are simply player preference, and while you can gain knowledge by reading other players' opinions or preferences, in the end, the key is to build your stat weights to compliment your current situation.
A simple weapon upgrade will most often produce more drastic results for those of us whose tanking gameplay revolves around strong enmity without sacrificing survival, or inflicting more stress onto the healers.
In closing, my suggestion is that you have fun DISCOVERING what works for you, trust yourself, and that you enjoy playing the game :D

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Originally Posted by repoe

Acc. Min HP threshold(vit).STR.DET.CRIT. In that order.

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Don't forget SkS for 9 hit Berserk, ~390 usually.

Doesn't sound like much, but balancing Acc requirements with SkS requirements without dropping too much Det is very hard (at least with no Zeta). Personally, I fit 390 SkS > Det in the stat order.

Like others may have posted some warriors may not be comfortable with the content or group to run a strength build.

I've been PUGing a ton of FCoB lately trying to finish off some jobs. The biggest problem I see are tanks not even knowing how much their DPS matters. T13 PLD last night with 10800hp doing 190 dps and WAR with 13000hp doing 220 dps. We ended up getting all 3 dragons in phase 2 and killing right at the 5h ahk. (Terrible raid DPS for T13 with echobut its a PUG)

PLD should have ~9000 hp after food,echo,pty buff, WAR should have ~10000 after the same buffs. The extra STR would push the raid DPS to 2 dragons and we would have never seen the 5th ahk morn. Those are huge differences in that fight. (3 ahk is normal for high raid DPS and allows optimal CD rotation, 4 is normal for PUGs and gives you a free sentinel for oh shit moments, 5 is terrible)