Whm / Scholar - who is better

My Choice -< Scholar and why I don't run out of mp. I can double-triple lustrate a tank from 2000 to max hp in blink of eye followed up with albo + Psyheal spam. massive damage reduction

Comparing apple with orange huh?

This again?

Ugh.

Just...no. Can this thread. There are half a dozen other threads in recent history for beating that particular dead chocobo.

*twitch.* -_<

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HERE WE GO AGAIN!

>.>;

They are both the best healing class. When Astrologian comes out, it will also be the best healing class.

Can't tell if troll or actually serious? These threads need to stop.

Scholars are very nice, yes, and it's my own preferred healing job due to how it plays, not because of its performance. I still would never do endgame content without one of each, so the discussion is moot.

Man I was worried there for a little bit, that this thread wasn't going to be made weekly like clockwork.

They're both fine. I like PLAYING scholar more, but that's a preference and without white mages I'd be sad.

Likewise - I prefer playing WHM, but I love when I have a SCH co-healer with me.
Neither are better than the other - they compliment each other perfectly. Like pizza and soda. o_O Hamburgers and fries. Chicken and Teriyaki. Fish and Chips. Bagels and butter......... *hunger* :<

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Originally Posted by Saseal

Neither are better than the other - they compliment each other perfectly. Like pizza and soda. o_O Hamburgers and fries. Chicken and Teriyaki. Fish and Chips. Bagels and butter......... *hunger* :<

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Go get some breakfast. :p

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Go get some breakfast. :p

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*Stares at granola bar* ..... but.... I have no SCH to go with my granola bar.... ;-;

SCH needs Stoneskin II.

they do. it's called succor.

Yessss! I missed this kinda thread!

Another deluded SCH who thinks they're any good because they has fary 8^)

Talk to me when you have AoE heals.

*popcorn*

Aight, let's derail the stuffing out of this thread!

I am writing this letter purely in the spirit of uplifting and sharing, as corny and dated as those sentiments may sound in the fast-moving and ever-evolving modern techno-plastic times in which we live. Primarily, I want to share with you my view that there is every indication that there is a vast empirical literature on this subject. What follows is the story of how the Scholar can be so rich in the rhetoric of democracy and yet so poor in its implementation. The Scholar is not interested in what is true and what is false or in what is good and what is evil. In fact, those distinctions have no meaning to it whatsoever. The only thing that has any meaning to the Scholar is militarism. Why? There is widespread agreement in asking that question but there is great disagreement in answering it. You see, it is of vital importance that we bring important information about the Scholar's inficete, ugly belief systems into the limelight. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. That's why I contend that it will not be easy to challenge the soft bigotry of low expectations. Nevertheless, we must attempt to do exactly that for the overriding reason that it's trying to get us to acquiesce to a Faustian bargain. In the short term this bargain may help us perform noble deeds. Unfortunately, in the long term it will enable the Scholar to make a mockery of our most fundamentally held beliefs.

When you reflect upon this, you'll realize that the Scholar recently made the astonishing claim that it can override nature. Stripped of all its hyperbole, this statement is really just saying that the Scholar occasionally shows what appears to be warmth, joy, love, or compassion. You should realize, however, that these positive expressions are more feigned than experienced and invariably serve an ulterior motive, such as to create a new cottage industry around its loathsome form of ableism. Ever since the Scholar decided to toy with our opinions, its consistent, unvarying line has been that wowserism forms the core of any utopian society.

If I didn't sincerely believe that the Scholar's squibs offer us nothing more than the same old snake oil in a shinier bottle, then I wouldn't be writing this letter. I don't want this to sound like sour grapes, but that fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. “Thinking” is the key word in the previous sentence. Leaving aside the behavior of other abrasive, obnoxious pedants, the Scholar is squarely in favor of authoritarianism and its propensity to distract people from making a serious analysis of the situation. This is so typical of the Scholar: it condemns bigotry and injustice except when it benefits it personally.

The Scholar exhibits a shocking dearth of empathy. But that's not all: It's not the bogeyman that our children need to worry about. It's the Scholar. Not only is the Scholar more untoward and more blinkered than any envisaged bogeyman or bugbear, but if you study the Scholar's insufferable ballyhoos long enough, you'll come to the inescapable conclusion that a central fault line runs through each of its vituperations. Specifically, the one thing that's central to all of its stiff-necked, gloomy asseverations is a desire to criticize other people's beliefs, fashion sense, and lifestyle. I call this the New Ageism. The old ageism was concerned only with turning the world's most civilized societies into pestholes of death, disease, and horror. Although that was bad enough, the popularity of the Scholar's soliloquies among sententious shysters is a harbinger of wanton things to come. That should serve as the final, ultimate, irrefutable proof that everyone ought to read my award-winning essay, “The Naked Aggression of the Scholar”. In it, I chronicle all of the Scholar's credos from the bestial to the refractory and conclude that I am growing weary of the Scholar's repeated claims that black is white and night is day. Here, I invoke the Royal Society's famous motto, Nullius in verba: take no one's word for it. That is, we should rely not on opinions but on objective science and experimentation to determine whether or not there is no real way to undo the consequences of the Scholar's scornful jokes. Now that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true.

It's fine to realize that the Scholar's duplicitous approach, which is based on perceptual distortions, must be confronted by a proactive response, but it's more important to know that there's an important difference between me and the Scholar. Namely, I am willing to die for my cause. The Scholar, in contrast, is willing to kill for its—or, if not to kill, at least to make our lives miserable. So, sorry for being so long-winded in this letter, but discrediting ideas by labeling them as insidious is an old tradition among the Scholar's spin doctors.

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Aight, let's derail the stuffing out of this thread!

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;) just kiddin'

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Originally Posted by Saseal

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;) just kiddin'

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Hey, I never knew people made gifs of Miqo'tes using /doze.

( :p )

Monk > All. There's no contest. I'm sorry but Second Wind is by far the most potent heal in the game right now. WHM & SCH can't even compare.

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Originally Posted by Vid

Monk > All. There's no contest. I'm sorry but Second Wind is by far the most potent heal in the game right now. WHM & SCH can't even compare.

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I agree, besides, WHMs are so much better than Monks at AoE damage, I don't see why Monks and WHMs don't switch places :D

Miqo'te says that it likes all the healers. Do you wish to challenge it?

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Monk > All. There's no contest. I'm sorry but Second Wind is by far the most potent heal in the game right now. WHM & SCH can't even compare.

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Potions > All

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I am sooooo dead..... *facepalm*

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Together let's build a WHM-free world for Erozea!

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I think mnks are the best healers

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Monk > All. There's no contest. I'm sorry but Second Wind is by far the most potent heal in the game right now. WHM & SCH can't even compare.

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Second Wind only works on the user though. And Potency isn't the most important factor of a heal.

But yeah, no you're right.

To be serious, if FFXIV goes the way other MMOs have gone with damage mitigation healers, SCH will eventually become the king of all the healers. They'll try to balance them with the others. Every new expac will give them nerfs but the nature of their class is such that nerfs make them barely playable and they will soon get buffs again.

Look at WoW. They've been trying to nerf Disc Priests for whole expacs and nothing having. Atonement healing didn't help things (damage done by the priest would smart heal lowest HP player within a radius with 90% of damage done) but they were beast before that and they're still beast after that.

I really hope SCH's don't go that way so much.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

To be serious, if FFXIV goes the way other MMOs have gone with damage mitigation healers, SCH will eventually become the king of all the healers. They'll try to balance them with the others. Every new expac will give them nerfs but the nature of their class is such that nerfs make them barely playable and they will soon get buffs again.

Look at WoW. They've been trying to nerf Disc Priests for whole expacs and nothing having. Atonement healing didn't help things (damage done by the priest would smart heal lowest HP player within a radius with 90% of damage done) but they were beast before that and they're still beast after that.

I really hope SCH's don't go that way so much.

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The nature of most MMORPG's is that they rely on power creep. FFXIV so far hasn't (yay levelsync/ilevelsync) but you can tell where there are holes in it. The "tomes" gear is one large hole. Another example, the spiritbonding bots out in the level 46/47 monster areas rely on the fact that there is NO levelsync on field monsters. This can be more easily patched over by changing the wear rates for using AOE's so you can't really sit there and cast Holy non stop for an hour. Bots choose BLM and WHM to farm stuff, occasionally throwing in a BRD to make their mana last longer. You don't see SCH/ACN/SMN bots.

But the game would be far too boring if they didn't bring in new skills sometimes. How do you make old skills still relevant without making new skills OP? Well the game already has levelsync, so you can't use new skills on old content (if they are above level 50,) and old skills scale with level. So perhaps what happens is that at level 55, certain skills become other skills, eg Stone I becomes Stoneara I, Cure I becomes Curara I or something, and skills that require a chain (eg Cure -> Cure II freecure) still offer those buffs. Think about how the pets are replaced on the SCH/SMN. Anything with a DoT is doubled from the previous skill, or the potency is doubled, or something of that nature. Saves having to reconfigure bars just to play levelsynced content.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Miqo'te says that it likes all the healers. Do you wish to challenge it?

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Buuuuuuuuuut skittles :). Omg such a hard choice.

Just to derail some more, yet be in Healer topic....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4akl6AUj_JM

I can't wait for astrologian. If these whm vs. sch threads make me want to rip my pretty miqo Lightning hair out like they do now, I'm going to be coughing up hair balls in a psych ward somewhere when astro releases for sure.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Rawr!

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(Disclaimer: I quit WoW shortly after Blackrock Foundry was released. Numbers might've scaled faster or slower than I've anticipated.)

Unless Scholars get a lot of 'pure', stackable and easily used absorbs like the Discipline Priest does, I wouldn't worry too much. Scholar absorbs are 'weaker' per default because their absorbing spells are split 50/50 between healing and actual absorbing, while Discipline Priests have a handful of spells that are 100% absorbs. A Scholar equally geared to their raid might give the group something like a 15% max HP buffer with a Succor, or double (and double yet again if critting) with Adloquium. Meanwhile, a Discipline Priest will be giving you a 30% max HP buffer with a simple Power Word: Shield, possibly as high as 80% with Archangel active and some crits/multistrikes (despite my modest gear, I'd get 220'000+ Power Word: Shield crits on people who were slightly above 300'000 max HP on a good day). Combine that with things like Divine Aegis and Spirit Shell which stack with all other absorbs, along with their absorption numbers actually being able to increase with repeated castings, and you can have Discipline Priests easily doubling a person's max HP with absorb buffers.

The difference in the damage model/flow also causes Discipline Priests to look even better. Most raid encounters in WoW cause medium bursts of damage regularly, allowing your absorbs to get used up, despite the shorter duration. Healing failures were usually caused by healers not pushing enough HPS to counter the regular damage, encouraging you to adjust between efficiency and throughput on the fly. Most encounters in XIV hit you with massive bursts of damage rarely, often leaving you barely alive, if not outright dead. Tank busters and the many Astral Flows/Super moves come to mind. Here you're encouraged to set up mitigation and pre-cast healing spells.

While absorbs are still valuable in the healing environment of XIV, they still end up looking weak compared to what a Discipline Priest can do. The lack of easily used 'pure' absorbs, along with only one type of absorption (Galvanized, compared to simultaneous Power Word: Shield, Divine Aegis and Spirit Shell) means that Scholars won't ever reach the point where they can do absurd shenanigans, such as fully nullifying moves like Gigaflare. Assuming they were carbon copies of Discipline Priest, they would probably be bringing Gigaflares down to 3 digit damage with a bit of button mashing. :p And assuming Squeenix does allow things like stackable absorbs, I'm hoping they monitor the situation closely, because besides creating a God Tier Meta™, it would also heavily reduce the difficulty of XIV's healing model, considering how reliant it is on massive bursts of damage.

Oh... I just realized I got way too serious with this post. Here, enjoy a lovely healing guide.

It's clearly Eos and not among the two. Eos is also best tank.

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Informative to someone who only did a little WoW AND I finally know where that Healer Motto came from!...or atleast see a video of someone saying it!

Also for on-topic, as far as I've seen both jobs do rather well on all content. Only one I can't speak for is Coil.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Unless Scholars get a lot of 'pure' ...

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Oh, I know. That's why I said I was hoping they wouldn't go that way so much. I started WoW in WotLK as a Disc Priest and I remember my first raid assignment was literally just to bubble and cure people in ICC so it was interesting to see how they changed Disc in their efforts to cap them but what could they do? Give them stronger heals and they'll be too strong. Weaken their absorbs and they're useless. And then there was that push for all healing priests to be disc priests. You know, you'd hear 'yeah, holy priests are good too and completely viable' but there'd always be that unsaid 'but disc priest is still better so why aren't you disc?!' that I really, really hated.

I don't want a king healer on top. I want them all to be equal so I don't have to feel bad for playing the healer I love most. That's all I want.

Well, I'd really love to be able to rename Eos as "Henry". Don't ask me why. I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Oh... I just realized I got way too serious with this post. Here, enjoy a lovely healing guide.

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That video! That! LOL! Tip #2 only works in raids with HPS meters tho...

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Rawr!

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Yes, I fully understand. I kind of feel that Blizzard shot themselves in the foot regarding Discipline Priests, although I can't say that I envy the job they have on their tables. Balancing five reasonably different healing specs compared to just two (soon to be three) healers must be a nightmare. :/ Though I was also hoping they'd get Discipline right after 4 expansions... xD Sometimes it feels like they just don't care. :p

Aaanyway, I've got faith in Squeenix!

When comparing SCH, WHM, and AST (?), which is the better healer, the answer is simple really.

The player who knows the job and their role best.

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I don't want a king healer on top.

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Good King Moggle Mog XII is the best healer!!! He could instantaneously raise and top-off multiple moogles. Sadly, His Majesty's WHM failed to use benediction in time.... ... He should have chosen Yare to be His Majesty's WHM.... I am the same size as moogle anyway.... *sobs*

Scholars are way stronger then white mages right now. Most white mages go scholar to do content which makes them a closet scholar main.