HQing 3 Star 40 Durability Materials?

Edit: I just remembered they're 80 Durability items. x_x

Whats a good rotation and/or macro fro HQing 3 Star 80 Durability materials like Wolfram Ingots and Ancient Lumber?

Mr. Trebek, that's an easy answer. What is. . figure it out yourself instead of looking for handouts. =D

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Originally Posted by ZephyrZ

Mr. Trebek, that's an easy answer. What is. . figure it out yourself instead of looking for handouts. =D

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Uh.. you don't think I haven't tried already? Don't be an ass in the part of the forums where it's actually alright to ask for a macro/rotation.

Is this for the Lucis 3star token? I'm not sure about your crafting stats but when I did it for Pinga Lucis, I had somewhere just enough for 4star and 395 CP (With Bouillabaisse)

For my rotation, I don't think it is the most optimum myself but it certainly did helped me anyway with only 3-4 failed attempts due to Hasty or unfavorable RNG. Might not work if your stats aren't enough for 4star

In my rotation:

> At least 3 Master Mend 1 so you have enough dura to get at least 10 IQ stacks, you can sub this with Manipulation but you need to aware that it will botch your synth if you use synth/touch action when dura is 10.
> At least 3 ToT is required to have enough CP so do it whenever possible, more is better so you could have additional MM1 or use the CP for basic touch instead of hasty to ensure you get enough IQ stack.
> My rotation doesn't use Ingenuity 2, I used Rapid Synth with another Rapid or 2x Careful Synth. Use the latter for a more safer rotation.
> Ideally you would want at least 10 IQ stack for a good chance, 11 is best, 9 is still okay if there's Good condition on Byregot. Anything lower than those is pretty much means you need to hope RNG is in your favor to not NQ it, if you NQ you can exchange them back for the base materials anyway so no worries.
Anyway here's the macro if you want to take a look at it, I'm not sure if it works on any stats lower than 4star requirement but if you have spare resources you could try it out yourself.
If you want to live dangerously, you can substitute the last two CS2 with one Rapid Synth for another extra dura to get another IQ stack

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----Macro 1----
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Rapid Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Master's Mend" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
----Macro 2----
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <wait.3>
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

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Hope this helps anyway.

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Originally Posted by KinnisonArc

Is this for the Lucis 3star token? I'm not sure about your crafting stats but when I did it for Pinga Lucis, I had somewhere just enough for 4star and 395 CP (With Bouillabaisse)

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Actually it's more for stuff like Wolfram Ingots and Ancient Lumber. But I will try this macro!

((Huh?))

both Wolfarm Ingot and Ancient Lumber are 80 dura :x

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Actually it's more for stuff like Wolfram Ingots and Ancient Lumber. But I will try this macro!

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Oh, I thought you meant the Lucis tokens because that's one of the 3star items with 40 dura. The 3star materials you mentioned has 80 dura so the one I posted won't be suitable for that.

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Originally Posted by KinnisonArc

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Yeah x_x.. I just remembered they had 80 durability. Though if I were to use the macro for the Lucis tools, I still run out of CP. D: And I eat an HQ Bouil and have 395 CP.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Yeah x_x.. I just remembered they had 80 durability. Though if I were to use the macro for the Lucis tools, I still run out of CP. D: And I eat an HQ Bouil and have 395 CP.

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Keep in mind that Kinnison's macro depends on three Tricks of the Trade procs. THREE! If my math is right, the amount of CP required if all three are successful is still 376 CP. If even one fails, the macro costs 396 - already out of your CP range. If two fail, that's 416 CP, which I think is unattainable even with the best gear.

Using a macro to synth 3-star and 4-star items is a very poor idea. You need to pounce on pretty much every Good condition that comes your way, and a macro won't do that. 3-star and 4-star recipes are designed so that you can't ignore materials conditions, in the way that you could with 1-star and 2-star crafts. You need to pay attention to your materials conditions every step of the way, and react accordingly. My advice would be to follow the same general pattern as Kin's macro - but do it manually, not using a macro, and use Tricks of the Trade whenever a Good condition pops up.

Also, it's a good idea to learn how to "bait" your Byregot's Blessing at the end of the synth. While not strictly necessary for most 3-star crafts, it's very useful for Lucis tokens and 4-star recipes, and PARAMOUNT for Masterbook II trade-ins. Baiting is something you do after you hit Great Strides, but before you hit Byregot's Blessing. After GS, if materials condition is not Good or Excellent, do something that uses up a turn but does not expend Great Strides (so no touches) or finish the synth (so no synthesis if synthesis will finish the synth).

For example, say I use Great Strides, and materials condition is not Good or Excellent. I have 40 CP left and I need to keep 24 handy for Byregot's Blessing. I know that two more uses of Careful Synthesis II will finish the synth, but one can be used safely. So, I CSII. Condition still isn't Good or Excellent. So, I spend 14 CP on Observe, an ability that does absolutely nothing, simply to pass a turn. Fortune favors me, and the next condition is Good! I mash Byregot's Blessing for a huge quality boost, likely taking me to 100%, and finish the synth.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Whats a good rotation and/or macro fro HQing 3 Star 40 Durability materials like Wolfram Ingots and Ancient Lumber?

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Uh.. you don't think I haven't tried already? Don't be an ass in the part of the forums where it's actually alright to ask for a macro/rotation.

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Alex, what is. . If you're not going to try crafting it yourself, how about you bother looking at the recipe before looking for handouts?

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In english, the reason i didn't help you is simple. Your question didn't make sense. The ONLY 40 durability 3 star recipe are the Lucis Token, which leads me to believe that you just wanted a quick answer without even trying it yourself. Yes it is alright to ask for help, advice, and even full rotations as you did but going by that logic, it is also my right to refuse such a request, i don't understand why others' humor those such as yourself who don't even try but to each his own.

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There are good assumptions and bad assumptions, from the wording of the question i made what i would think are reasonable assumptions which is that you should know that there are only 80 dura usable 3 star synths because the only 40 dura synth is the lucis token; however you asked for wolfram ingot. Now only you know if i made the right assumption or not and i'll prob get hate for it but. .

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no 3 or 4 star macro, you can't macro either which also renders the question mute. Your choices depend based on your craftsmanship which you had not provided so if anyone did provide you with a macro. There is a chance that the macro could fail because of insufficient craftsmanship. But really, you're asking for a rotation/macro when all we know for sure is that you have blacksmith and carpenter leveled to 50. You not only asked the wrong question, you didn't provide enough information for any kind of intelligent answer, so i didn't provide you with one. But here i'll try to not sound like a jerk and give you an answer based off of the provided information. Your overall choices are 4 or 5 progress steps. Using either a form of pbp + CSII or RS + CSII depending on your craftsmanship, if you don't have CSII, try using basic synthesis or get weaver to 15 and unlock the first CS, standard synth would be a waste of cp. Also, you don't want to go above 6 progress steps, cp food is your best friend. Pick a cheap 80 dura craft that costs < 10k and practice making a rotation that works for you, even if come out NQ you will break even.

EDIT 2: Why does it say you are on Zalera but you say you're on Balmung Oo strange, regardless; I have an alternate on Balmung. The pricing situation isn't that bad. You can make over 50k in less than 5 minutes and in under 7k crafting cost assuming you buy all the mats. So 40k+ profit. Make 10 items and that's 400k+, giving you more than 40 chances to practice. If you have reclaim, you can try a lot more until you find something you're comfortable with.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Yeah x_x.. I just remembered they had 80 durability. Though if I were to use the macro for the Lucis tools, I still run out of CP. D: And I eat an HQ Bouil and have 395 CP.

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Did you have enough Tricks of Trade used? Sometimes depending on the action taken or the amount of good condition for you to ToT, even with 395 CP you won't have enough for the entire rotation. This is somehow normal if you have enough just for 3star, when you get enough craftsman/control they will compensate enough that you won't need that much CP to get 100% anymore.

If you want the 3star 80 dura, it should be roughly something like this. You will require the following:
- At least 3-4 tricks to ensure enough CP, the more the better
- 2 Comfort Zone, use second time when there are no steady hands buff up as early possible.
- In order, Piece by Piece twice, then Ingenuity II, lastly Careful Synth II 3 times.

The macro roughly looks something like this, might not be accurate so if it does try changing certain steps. Hope it helps.

Edit : What LineageRazor posted are true especially the 'baiting' part, sometimes even if you have 10 IQ stack but your byregot is normal condition you will only end up at most 60 to 70% HQ which is still risky. Also true on the macro part, I merely posted them just so you can grasp the idea of how the flow of the rotation you should be following and don't follow exactly where the tricks of trades are in the macro either as I added them in steps where there are no steady hands buff up. Anyway, as long as you know the CP management thing you should be fine with lower CP.

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----Macro 1----
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.2>
/ac "Master's Mend II" <wait.3>
----Macro 2----
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

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Originally Posted by ZephyrZ

which leads me to believe that you just wanted a quick answer without even trying it yourself. Yes it is alright to ask for help, advice, and even full rotations as you did but going by that logic, it is also my right to refuse such a request, i don't understand why others' humor those such as yourself who don't even try but to each his own.

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This whole premise is based on the assumption that he didn't try already which at the moment of posting you have no way of confirming either way. Your logic doesn't make you clever. It just makes you smug. If you don't feel like helping people what is the point of even posting that you don't want to help people. I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrZ

In english, the reason i didn't help you is simple. Your question didn't make sense. The ONLY 40 durability 3 star recipe are the Lucis Token, which leads me to believe that you just wanted a quick answer without even trying it yourself. Yes it is alright to ask for help, advice, and even full rotations as you did but going by that logic, it is also my right to refuse such a request, i don't understand why others' humor those such as yourself who don't even try but to each his own.

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I have tried before. It is also easy to forget something like if a synth is 40 or 80 Durability when a lot of mats that are a precursor; such as Cobalt Ingots, Electrum Ingots, ect are all 40 Durability, not 80 Durability like the Wolfram or Ancient Lumber. I was also not in game at the time of posting the question so I was unable to actually look.

I do a lot of crafting for my Free Company and have crafted very few items requiring Wolfram Ingots; Mainly just furniture items that didn't need HQ so I never bothered until yesterday to try to see if I can HQ. So yes, I did try on my own. I always try to do something on my own first to see if it's something I can figure out; but with how prices are on Balmung and the fact I am low on gil, I don't want to continuously waste my resources with trial and error.

Quite honestly your first response told me everything I need to know about how you don't like lending a helping hand and always seem to think those who try to reach out for help haven't tried everything in the book yet before they seek out guidance.

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Originally Posted by PariSexus

This whole premise is based on the assumption that he didn't try already which at the moment of posting you have no way of confirming either way. Your logic doesn't make you clever. It just makes you smug. If you don't feel like helping people what is the point of even posting that you don't want to help people. I don't get it.

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Honestly this... He assumed I hadn't tried before hand and that's what I don't like.. He not only assumed once, but twice. Even after my first response to him when I said I had tried it, he again stated. "Guess you haven't tried it yourself." Which quite frankly He should learn to read and not jump to conclusions. It just makes him sound like he's flaunting and taunting with knowing a good macro and doesn't feel like sharing just to top off the jerk attitude he's been displaying towards me.

Edit: Now I'd like to make an assumption. That he's someone whose been playing for a while, but got banned from the forums for the same attitude he's displaying here so he decided to make an alt account just to post more of his harassing dialect.
See how I made an assumption on information I don't readily know? That's what you're doing Zeph.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

It just makes him sound like he's flaunting and taunting with knowing a good macro

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Zephyr's a jerk, we all know that.. but he knows his stuff..

Basically the quote above, there's no macro for 3 star + crafts. You CAN use one that will result in 60-70% hq rate, but doing so manually will net you near 100%. People have posted rotations here so far and any of those should work.. just practice some more with wolfram ingots, you can even make terminus putty because nq terminus putty should still net you some profit depending on your server's economy and profit = free practice. Just work out the kinks and you'll get it down in no time.


Regarding Zephyr's assumptions, if it sounded like you were talking about the lucis tokens, I can understand why he wouldn't have an answer for you because.. well, lucis tokens are just so mind numbingly boring/easy (not the rotation, just how little you lose for failing it.. like 5000gil a try?)

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Edit: Now I'd like to make an assumption. That he's someone whose been playing for a while, but got banned from the forums for the same attitude he's displaying here so he decided to make an alt account just to post more of his harassing dialect.
See how I made an assumption on information I don't readily know? That's what you're doing Zeph.

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I wouldn't doubt it with how much of an ass he is :D hell I got my own perma banned for giving someone a hard time about their atrocious spelling/grammar. The forum rules are a joke tbh.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrZ

EDIT 2: Why does it say you are on Zalera but you say you're on Balmung

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My main is Loki Bludcraven; He's on Balmung.