Make Crystal Tower loot upgradable!

At the moment we only have 2 sets at max level to build our BiS from! I'm thinking why not make the new 24 man raids loot upgradable the same way poe / sold gear is? If would make it more interesting to have more sets at max level to build your BiS from! Some might say it would be like handing out max level loot, but its stil more difficult to get than your tokens gear. And you stil would need an item (either from raids, hunts or weekly quest?) to upgrade it to the same item level as the HC conent.

Any thoughts on this?

Just for clarification:

Were you looking for an option that would allow you to upgrade ST gear to DoW gear without having to roll spam DoW constantly and praying to RNGesus?
Or, were you looking for an option that would allow you to upgrade ST gear (i100) to an i110 version and subsequently, DoW gear (i120) to an i130 version?

Sorry if my post was messy!

What I ment was beeing able to upgrade it the same way tomes gear is upgradeable. ST gear to i110, WoD gear to i130. It would gives us three sets, instead of two, at max level to build our BiS from.

But I was more thinking about future gear sets, if they will work the same was as now with upgraded token gear and raid gear at max level. Why not do it so the 24 man drops are also upgradable to max item level? Makes for more interesting gear builds.

I like your idea but I think the coils would be deserted if they did this, most people only subject themselves to them for the gear, not the 'fun' experience.

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Originally Posted by HexWeaver

I like your idea but I think the coils would be deserted if they did this, most people only subject themselves to them for the gear, not the 'fun' experience.

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That doesn't make sense. Only reason you need gear is to do coil, otherwise the magitek pieces are more than enough.

YoshiP did mention they want to have more horizonal gearing options going forward.

But towers are casual raids with just a one-item lockout initially but one can run them as much as needed to get what they desire. Not as restricted as coil is, as one can only clear coil turns once a week, regardless if they get any loot during progression months until the lockout is removed.

All this is done to prevent substantual gear ilvl inflation too fast, just like how the latest tome (poetics) is always capped weekly.

Considering some WoD pieces are BiS for some jobs because Ironworks and Dreadwyrm options have subpar secondary stats (BRD chest and SCH gloves for-example), it's not all bad.

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

That doesn't make sense. Only reason you need gear is to do coil, otherwise the magitek pieces are more than enough.

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A lot of people only do coil so that they can mix and match between coil and poetic pieces of equipment to achieve the best stats they can. If you gave people i130 equipment to choose from via poetics, coil and crystal tower raids a lot of people wouldn't be bothered trying to attempt coil (Wouldn't blame them.) Not everyone plays with final coil being the end in mind, there are plenty of players out there who just like to gear themselves up over time and are drawn in by coil solely for the loot. Plenty of my friends are learning final coil right now just to get the loot.

The 24 man raid comes 3 months after the highest raid tier has been introduced tho, so there isnt a risk of ilevel inflation! And to get BiS you would stil need to run Coil and it would also be the only place to get max item level right side peices other than tomestones.

There are only a couple of cases where BiS gear is in the WoD set which of course is why we have a Bard asking for this because it matters pretty much only for them. The 24 man raids are optional casual content making it easier for players to get gear they can do other stuff with if you make that upgradeable then what is the point of EXDR and poetics? Why does it have to be harder for most players to get a BiS set but easier for Bards?

The last thing i want is even more Bards in WoD who never stay beyond the second boss.

No thank you.

Itemization is problem in FFXIV but shouldnt be solved at way you mentioned. There is no point for your suggestion.

Umm....Im thinking for future releases of 24 man content. Isnt it better to have 3 sets to choose from? (Basicly) all the 24 man gear now is just glamour and alt gear, since you can get max level gear from farming tomes and hunts. Poetic gear is easier to come by than 24man raid gear. You just need to do your dailies to get an poetics peice every 7 or 14 days, and some hunts to upgrade it. How will having 3 sets to choose from make DR and poetics gear useless? You will stil need peices from all the 3 sets to build your BiS. My class has nothing to do with asking for this. I want it for future content!

Why it's easier for Bards? That varies from patch to patch who its easier for so you are asking a pointless question. Not that having a WoD drop beeing BiS over a poetics peice makes it easier anyway.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

No thank you.

Itemization is problem in FFXIV but shouldnt be solved at way you mentioned. There is no point for your suggestion.

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The point is you get 3 sets to make your BiS from. I dont see how that is pointless? The way it is now 24 man raid gear is just alt junk mostly. Better for it to actually serve a purpose other than beeing a filler peice.

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Originally Posted by VenuzKh

The point is you get 3 sets to make your BiS from. I dont see how that is pointless? The way it is now 24 man raid gear is just alt junk mostly. Better for it to actually serve a purpose other than beeing a filler peice.

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For vet players tower is really boring even once per week not to farm it for some gear. There is no challange and its mostly afk fights which most of vets want to avoid plus BIS you can get from crafted gear.
For casual players BIS doesnt matter since they big dps loose is not due to gear but poor execution of rotations and fight mechanics.
As for itemizations the problem is: there is no many possibilities in endgame content. There should be more than 1 high endgame content with different set of items. Also game is completly lacking middle-tier endgame content with their sets of items. What we have is 1 high endgame raid and 1 faceroll raid you can even afk whole fight with autoattack. Thats the problem of itemization. Game needs more endgame content with various levels of difficulty and their sets of items.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

Also game is completly lacking middle-tier endgame content with their sets of items. What we have is 1 high endgame raid and 1 faceroll raid you can even afk whole fight with autoattack. Thats the problem of itemization. Game needs more endgame content with various levels of difficulty and their sets of items.

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This is a very real problem. As someone who raids three times a week, I could easily imagine stepping down to "mid-tier" content on my other days to pass time and gear alts, but doing CT-ST-WoD over and over is a complete bore as it offers so few interesting mechanics requiring my attention.

I want Pharos-style dungeons back, damnit.

Here's a novel idea, everyone that wastes time posting things like: "nope it will never work, OP is a derp". How about instead of just posting for the sake of being argumentative, spell out your legit reasons for why said idea won't work.

Seeing this all over the forums, bunch of lazy bums just popping into a thread to say some useless garbage with the intent of inciting animosity.

If you're going to critique ppl with a even somewhat fleshed out idea don't just waste everyone's time by offering counter arguments or offers without any substance.

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Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee

Here's a novel idea, everyone that wastes time posting things like: "nope it will never work, OP is a derp". How about instead of just posting for the sake of being argumentative, spell out your legit reasons for why said idea won't work.

Seeing this all over the forums, bunch of lazy bums just popping into a thread to say some useless garbage with the intent of inciting animosity.

If you're going to critique ppl with a even somewhat fleshed out idea don't just waste everyone's time by offering counter arguments or offers without any substance.

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Actually I posted ideas, who didnt is YOU.

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Originally Posted by VenuzKh

Why it's easier for Bards? That varies from patch to patch who its easier for so you are asking a pointless question. Not that having a WoD drop beeing BiS over a poetics peice makes it easier anyway.

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Anyone can do WoD. In such a large raid you don't even have to try you can be carried and people barely notice. EXDR you actually have to farm tomes some parts like the chest are about 2 weeks worth to farm for. You can get your drop from WoD in a day or even a single run depending on RNG so yes it's much easier in every single way and you know it.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

Actually I posted ideas, who didnt is YOU.

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If you posted an idea then whats the point of replying to my post? The declaration of my idea is stated clearly in the first two words of my post, so you're wrong on that account.

A bit daft...

On topic, I see no problem with the OPs idea. More gear upgrades are viable given the cap increase will be hitting soon. It will be yet another way to keep old raids relevant on a players journey to 60.

I was talking about this with my LS-mates a lot pre-2.5. I think it would be a fine idea, really. The argument that "anyone" can do WoD is a patently silly one since "anyone" can get Poetics and get that gear as well. Keep the upgrade items scarce, just as they have done with Tomestone gear, and it gives us more gear options and more reason to do the content.

Honestly, I'd prefer they removed upgrade items from Hunts altogether (or limited them to 1/week as they currently are from the 24-man), and the two things done in concert would largely cull item-level inflation while increasing the options available to us for gear . Currently, the choice between an augmented item or the Coil item is usually pretty clear as long as you know your class's stat priorities, which makes the actual choices in gearing largely pretty minimal.

If they were to make the upgraded versions of 24-man gear dyable, this would also increase our options for glamour, too, which is always a plus.

There is more then enough gear options out there.
CT, ST, and Wod are just sooooo boring and not worth the time of day other then weekly quest or bonus light for Relic. Besides what would be the point in having upgradeable tower gear when Heavansward is not too far away and will bring new gear?
And why is it easier for Bard? Well when CT was first introduced ALL that ever dropped was Bard and Monk gear (Crimson Robe took well over 80 runs to drop) Wod has been the same in that regard that for the most part all that would ever drop is Bard gear. I still have yet to see Caster Robe drop more then the one time i seen it and lost the roll.... I know it varies by player but my level of frustration with wod, yaargh
Also back in the day of myth gear, that stuff would take weeks to get, now they have made available so many gear options and even gearing achievable for those really lazy people XD

Presumably if they were to introduce upgradeable loot for 24-mans now, it would move forward with the 24-mans in Heavensward, Maero.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Anyone can do WoD. In such a large raid you don't even have to try you can be carried and people barely notice. EXDR you actually have to farm tomes some parts like the chest are about 2 weeks worth to farm for. You can get your drop from WoD in a day or even a single run depending on RNG so yes it's much easier in every single way and you know it.

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Yeah anyone can do WoD, and anyone can farm tomes. Both ways its faceroll. In WoD you have to fight RNG and that can make it much more time consuming than just doing your expery a few times a week. Also you dont have any peices of DW so why are you even bothered? YOu clearly dont care about BiS anyhow. For raiders, like myself, more options for building BiS is a good thing.

How many DW peices do White Mage's need for their BiS? Since you are saying Bard BiS is so easy compared to the other classes. Without crafted gear I need 6 DW peices. Three from T10, one from T11, one from T12 and one from T13.

Fighting RNG in faceroll CT content is a lot different than getting rewarded with i130 gear in challenging content and "fighting" RNG.

Yes please. Frankly the current Bard 130 tops suck and the best ones stat-wise are the Demon Top (120) and the best being Kirimu Pentameld (110). Having more viable stat variety can just be a good thing anyways.

They really should've had the WoD weapons and gear upgradable since 2,5 instead of adding raid loot (tomes, coats, twines) into a content that has nothing to do with the said items.