Tired of low drop rate in triple triad cards! SE need do something about this

Well, I come here to express my RAGE on the drop rate of Triple Triad cards. First of all, I know that basically almost everything in this game is based on RNG, But SE really need change this. See my experience:

590+ runs of The Dragon's Neck and NO TERRA CARD(already got 2 stacks of 99 ultros card)
360+ runs in the battle in the big keep and NO BARTZ CARD
400+ Moogle hard mode and NO KING MOOGLE CARD
2000+ Indolent imperial wins and NO GAIUS CARD (no joke, since the launch of the TT I'm trying)
480+ wins against Tataru and NO LIGHTNING CARD
110+ Tower of Darkness and NO ONION KNIGHT CARD

Right now I'm only logging for these cards, but the drop rate is very low and unfortunately I will not waste my time, because pay monthly to play the whole month and not have a reward? this is not a good thing.

Why the SE does not put a system to increase the drop rate every 15 runs? or even trade 50-99 Ultros card for Terra card?

And please, don't troll me with " THEN STOP PLAY, NO ONE FORCE YOU"! this can happen with you ^.^ but i really want to stop play now and only back in 3.0

and sorry for my bad english >.< i hope you guys understand why i'm frustrated x.x

if you not belive ok, just read this http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nford-Blues%29 ( more than 600 wins to obtain terra card)

also, i have 2 more started threads, just search for it ^^

and 343,307 total MGP.

RNGesus isn't kind to you.

Sorry but these numbers are bit wild.

I do not believe this

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Sorry but these numbers are bit wild.

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Well i don't need lie ^^ i play this game since the 2.0 release, have 71 cards and the RNG in this game is f* terrible! My friend obtained the relic item drop in The Wanderer's Palace after 102 runs, while my other friends in 2-7 runs.

So your telling me you have done 1430 dungeons in search for TT cards?

Yeaaaaaaah....no, im calling bs on that and i doubt you counted them anyway.

This is what i hate about people that makes topics like these, sure rng is a pain sometimes but atleast make legit numbers instead of trying to make it look worse then it is.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

So your telling me you have done 1430 dungeons in search for TT cards?

Yeaaaaaaah....no, im calling bs on that and i doubt you counted them anyway.

This is what i hate about people that makes topics like these, sure rng is a pain sometimes but atleast make legit numbers instead of trying to make it look worse then it is.

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I do agree his numbers seem very extreme. But he does make a good suggestion, I would really like a system where when you're grinding something, increasing the drop-rate the longer you're there would be very good. Diablo III implemented something similar, the longer you go without a Legendary Drop, the higher your chances of getting a Legendary. It would take some of the feeling of "no progress" out of RNG when you fail to get something thanks to RNG, you would atleast increase your chance to get it.

3 words sum this up perfectly... RNG is RNG.

It's the tradeoff to not losing cards, therefore we must deal with rng.

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Originally Posted by SongJoohee

I do agree his numbers seem very extreme. But he does make a good suggestion, I would really like a system where when you're grinding something, increasing the drop-rate the longer you're there would be very good. Diablo III implemented something similar, the longer you go without a Legendary Drop, the higher your chances of getting a Legendary. It would take some of the feeling of "no progress" out of RNG when you fail to get something thanks to RNG, you would atleast increase your chance to get it.

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Oh absolutely, i agree that rng needs to be changed a bit so you atleat make some (no matter how small) progress for every failed attempt.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

So your telling me you have done 1430 dungeons in search for TT cards?

Yeaaaaaaah....no, im calling bs on that and i doubt you counted them anyway.

This is what i hate about people that makes topics like these, sure rng is a pain sometimes but atleast make legit numbers instead of trying to make it look worse then it is.

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yeah, i counted ^.^ and everyday i open farms in excalibur PF, doing SR. Just today i completed 36 Battle in the big keep( 2 got the card) and 18 Dragon's( no one got)

Terra > 2 tanks, 1 healer and 5 dps( like 4 mins ) sometimes i do with 1 tank method to save time
Bartz > 1 healer, 1 tank and 6 dps (summoner revive in chains) 4:45 mins each run or less with good dps
Moogle hard > less than 3 min runs with 1 tank, 6 WHM and 1 bard
Gaius > i try everday in my work with TeamViewer, the same goes to Tataru

For the Gaius card at least, it drops at a very good rate in Praetorium. Run that a max of five times and you have it - then you can at least leave the Indolent Imperial.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

For the Gaius card at least, it drops at a very good rate in Praetorium. Run that a max of five times and you have it - then you can at least leave the Indolent Imperial.

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I just tried praetorium 3 times lol i like farm in Indolent because is 100% win rate with Scions cards(if you know what are you doing) and i can farm some MGP for Cloud card later. but i will try at least 5 praetorium today ^^ ty friend o/

These numbers are believable, I remember having buying a full bunny suit with the MGP from Imperial before seeing a Gaius card.
I also recorded around 560 wins via roulette achievement vs Tataru before seeing Lightning.
Calling it working as intended, usual sub 1% chance drops to go against something that's easily spammed (yeah ok tataru has another layer of rng with her rules) to pad out this 3month lull.

I've seen him on PF on my server farming for Terra so it might be possible. I dunno how many times he's run it though but it might be possible as I've seen his PF up everyday for dragon's neck. FYI, I did about 15 runs of praetorium and it never dropped TC. What I did do though was queue up for it and play imperial in between. Funny thing is it dropped on my 3rd win after I got to 60 cards. I had well over 1000+ wins on him because I made over 200,000 MGP off of him till it finally dropped. It takes a REALLY long time though. It's a 0.5% drop rate for Gaius so it'll take a while before you see him.

I have already given up on TT...

I'm so done with tt for now. 100+ dragons neck runs with feeble light awarded and no Terra card. 500+ indolent imperial wins and no Gaius card (also ran praetorium 20+ times with no drop), but I did get some mgp to waste on some silver tt card packs in the hope of a lahabrea card, but nope, no lahabrea card either. I can't even make it to 60 cards. I'm done wasting my time on tt until they fix the drop rates. It was fun at first but now it's an unnecessary PITA. Sure, I'll eat breathe and sleep tt card farming for a month to get a 60 card deck, said no one ever :rolleyes:

RNG is bad, but not that bad. True - those are average numbers when you are having bad luck (not extremly bad, but not good enough), but you can't have it all the time. I know people who did The Dragon's Neck for 500-600 times before getting card (including me), but then they would get Onion Knight from WoD in 5 +/- runs. I know people who were 300+ Shiva Hard runs and still don't have card, but they would get Bartz in 20-30 runs. I know people who are 600+ on Tataru and still no Lightning, but, again, they would get Swift card in 10 matches. I also did about 80 Proletariums with no card and then got it from Imperial.

So, yes, this rng is believable, but not for single character.

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Originally Posted by Vantol

RNG is bad, but not that bad.

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I respectfully disagree :) There's a lot of drops in this game that seem to be around 1% I don't know how close this rate is to some of these tt card drops, but it doesn't seem far off. I can't justify that low of a rate on something like tt where it was a concept for something the general population could enjoy. Extremely low drop rates such as these seem to be driving more people away from tt than drawing them in.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Not entirely sure why people ask SE to nerf EVERY rare item in this game, to the point where there's nothing that takes any effort to obtain.

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Rng is luck, not skill. I've farmed these cards for a month now. A hundred runs for me, hundreds more for others. How much is "any effort?" 1,000 runs to get a Terra card for one guy, but 10 for another? I don't think it's unreasonable to think the guy with 1,000 runs of something doesn't deserve a Terra card for that effort. It'd be more unreasonable if we were upset we didn't get something in 50 or something runs, but we are talking at least double that.

I know the feeling, I'm almost at 700 roulette wins and still no Lighting. Tataru has been the main reason I log in, and FCOB farms.

I'm up to 107 runs of Battle of the Big Keep for the Bartz card. I'm starting to believe that the card is a myth.

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Originally Posted by EternityFate

Right now I'm only logging for these cards, but the drop rate is very low and unfortunately I will not waste my time, because pay monthly to play the whole month and not have a reward? this is not a good thing.


and 343,307 total MGP.

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By your own admission, is EXACTLY why SE shouldn't make those cards easier to obtain. FFXIV is an online game. Online games require people to be playing them, in order for it to work. You can't play an online game if there's no1 online to play with. Obviously they gave you everything else too easy to keep you entertained till 3.0's launch, which is why you feel this game has nothing to offer you right now except those cards.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

By your own admission, is EXACTLY why SE shouldn't make those cards easier to obtain. FFXIV is an online game. Online games require people to be playing them, in order for it to work. You can't play an online game if there's no1 online to play with. Obviously they gave you everything else too easy to keep you entertained till 3.0's launch, which is why you feel this game has nothing to offer you right now except those cards.

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I think you don't understand yet.... let's see, is good farm the same trial 600-900 times while other guy farm 1-5 times and obtain it? how about the relic weapon? you want stay MONTHS farming 1 item? like i said, my friend done 102 wanderer place to drop the relic item... and you started this game later, with trials nerfed,relic saga etc. Just try your luck farming the cards ^.^ you will see what i'm talking about.

They don't make them easier to obtain because it keeps you logging in.
There's no reason to up the drop rate on something that's completely optional. The cards have about the same drop rate as ponies anyway, more or less depending on the rarity of the cards.

What i don't understand is, how anyone can legitimately have this number of match wins and farming runs, Imean seriously, it can't be healthy, perhaps this drop rate is SE's way of saying you need more in your life besifes this game, oh and that sleep is a good idea.

No offense, I mean really, no offense, but the time commitment needed to make those numbers possible is downright ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

What i don't understand is, how anyone can legitimately have this number of match wins and farming runs, Imean seriously, it can't be healthy, perhaps this drop rate is SE's way of saying you need more in your life besifes this game, oh and that sleep is a good idea.

No offense, I mean really, no offense, but the time commitment needed to make those numbers possible is downright ridiculous.

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most of the time, they're just exaggerating the numbers.
You can actually check some of them by looking at the achievements in their profile. I've seen people claiming they've done 800+ fates without getting atma that don't even have the 300 FATE achievement.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

They don't make them easier to obtain because it keeps you logging in.
There's no reason to up the drop rate on something that's completely optional. The cards have about the same drop rate as ponies anyway, more or less depending on the rarity of the cards.

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Coil,PvP, Hunts, Ponies is COMPLETELY optional so, why buff/nerf it? also,the drop rate of ponies was f* bad and now got a good buff in the drop rate, the same goes with Atmas. i can't even compare the current drop rate of TT platinum cards against the ponies lol i say that because i sell poneys package in my LS and the drop rate of ponies is really good. We ABSOLUTELY need buff in the drop rate, or at least a "token" system or increase the drop rate every 15-20 wins.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

most of the time, they're just exaggerating the numbers.
You can actually check some of them by looking at the achievements in their profile. I've seen people claiming they've done 800+ fates without getting atma that don't even have the 300 FATE achievement.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nford-Blues%29 so, this guy lies?

Also i can take SS of my total MGP, tataru roullete wins ^^

just today i done 53 Dragon Neck,(entire day in excalibur PF) like i said you choose if you want believe or not.

I would just take a break for a couple weeks, then try to get the cards again. No point in killing urself over a card then taking a 3 month break weating for Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by EternityFate

Coil,PvP, Hunts, Ponies is COMPLETELY optional so, why buff/nerf it? also,the drop rate of ponies was f* bad and now got a good buff in the drop rate, the same goes with Atmas. i can't even compare the current drop rate of TT platinum cards against the ponies lol i say that because i sell poneys package in my LS and the drop rate of ponies is really good. We ABSOLUTELY need buff in the drop rate, or at least a "token" system or increase the drop rate every 15-20 wins.

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the cards are for a completely separate system and it's not even necessary to get all the cards to be good at the game. They only buffed pony drops when they added the Kirin.
They only buffed that atma drops when they added additional steps.
In other words, so long as there are only 80 cards and the threshold is 60, there is no reason for them to buff the rate of acquisition. When they add the next 20 cards, they may well increase the droprate, but not before then.

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Originally Posted by EternityFate

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nford-Blues%29 so, this guy lies?

Also i can take SS of my total MGP, tataru roullete wins ^^

just today i done 53 Dragon Neck,(entire day in excalibur PF) like i said you choose if you want believe or not.

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That guy, no, but so many people DO that even seeing threads like this is suspect if they don't have evidence.
Some people just really get screwed by the RNG. It's just the way the dice fall. Literally, in this case.

Grinded for my Fenrir mount and peaced out on TT for now. I'd like to collect all the cards, but there's only so much RNG I can handle and I'd rather save my patience (and sanity) for something more worthwhile.

I have 2 ONION KNIGHT CARD in 1 day... My RNG is good I think.

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Originally Posted by Azper

Grinded for my Fenrir mount and peaced out on TT for now. I'd like to collect all the cards, but there's only so much RNG I can handle and I'd rather save my patience (and sanity) for something more worthwhile.

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And I just saw few ppl riding Fenrir few days a go in my World

i got bartz on my 3rd run lol still havent been able to drop shiva lost count of how many runs ive done.. doesnt bother me to much tho since its a fast battle lol hope they add a triad card 5 star to steps of faith just to troll the people complaining about drops LOL

I really think we should do away with all the RNG drops. It's a really tired mechanic.

Just think about all those people that go into casinos and lose all they have and own... Put those same people into a game like this, and they will farm for hours/days on end....and make themselves sick.

I mean, I like like raiding quite a bit. It's considered the "hardcore" activity since most of this game is faceroll and raiding requires you use both hands and put the sandwich down (ok ok, I know some of you can eat your sandwich and raid, but just stop talking in voice chat at the same time, it's gross... :X )

The real hardcore content though? It's that darn relic quest, and farming all those bloody cards... :/ When I raided progressively, at most we did 2-3 sessions in a week (ya I know some people raid like everyday but im not that person...) and people dared call me hardcore... it's 6-9hrs of "hardcoreness" in a week. How much time do you think people spend on their relic drops and cards....100s of hours in a week.....

If u ain't taking the fenrir journey than chances r u won't see gaius.
I seen 3 gaius cards so far drop from indolent but thats from grinding from 500 mgp-> 110k mgp.
So yea u might see one at 500-1000 matches imo

You added an extra 0 to all of those numbers.

Cactpot: 9220
You still defending RNG in this game even when you see such odd numbers every week?
How many more prove you need??

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Cactpot: 9220
You still defending RNG in this game even when you see such odd numbers every week?
How many more prove you need??

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It's 4 randomly chosen numbers, and the only thing "odd" about 9220 is the 9, because 9s are odd numbers.
The cactpot is a lottery, sometimes even in the REAL world lottery there are cases where no one wins, and those are cases where you can buy multiple tickets and there's a much larger pool of customers.