Extreme price difference between female and male vanity gear

I noticed the prices on some vanity gear is way more expensive for the female version vs the male version of the same gear.

For example on my server Sargatanas
Female - Coronal Summer Halter is 1,600,000 gil
Male - Ti Leaf Lei - 80,000 gil

Its the same piece of vanity gear except the female version is 20x more expensive vs the male version. Almost every piece of vanity gear that has a male and a female version the female version is always way more expensive.

Can't something be done like having 1 item if it is sellable so the gender of your character doesn't change the price. The only reason vanity gear is so much more expensive is because more people with like to dress up their female characters vs their male ones.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

The only reason vanity gear is so much more expensive is because more people with like to dress up their female characters vs their male ones.

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Well, this along with the fact that female models make better...well... models than the guy ones. But seeing this is user selling to other users, there's nothing that can really be done with this.

Supply vs. Demand

The rate of acquisition is (roughly) the same for both the male and female versions, but there's more demand for the female version, ergo the price is higher. Just basic economics, and nothing in need of developer intervention.

Seeing as the reverse is said often enough on these forums: if you don't like it, play as a dude.

What about the sales history on the items? I'm willing to bet that there are a lot more sales of the female vanity gear than the male vanity gear for a lot of the items.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Supply vs. Demand

The rate of acquisition is (roughly) the same for both the male and female versions, but there's more demand for the female version, ergo the price is higher. Just basic economics, and nothing in need of developer intervention.

Seeing as the reverse is said often enough on these forums: if you don't like it, play as a dude.

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It is like I said in the original post they can have 1 item for both genders instead of having one male and one female specific. The item i posted is almost the exact same thing for each gender. That way its the same price for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Can't something be done like having 1 item if it is sellable so the gender of your character doesn't change the price. The only reason vanity gear is so much more expensive is because more people with like to dress up their female characters vs their male ones.

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I don't wanna be rude here, but this ridiculous. As someone who gathers crafts and SBs to make money and constantly is looking at the MB to see what sells and what doesn't, this is just a bad suggestion, censoring the Market Board is just ridiculous at best. You're showing no understanding/thought for crafters/gatherers. If you want it so bad, pay up. Things like this cost a lot of money to get and a lot of investment goes into them.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It is like I said in the original post they can have 1 item for both genders instead of having one male and one female specific. The item i posted is almost the exact same thing for each gender. That way its the same price for everyone.

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What? And lower th CUL desynth items to half? Please, stop.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It is like I said in the original post they can have 1 item for both genders instead of having one male and one female specific. The item i posted is almost the exact same thing for each gender. That way its the same price for everyone.

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The Ti Leaf Lei is a terrible item to use for a price comparison, because it's hideous and thus in extra-low demand. If I wanted it, I'd rather pay the price the male version is worth, than the much higher price of the female variant.

I understand your frustration, but try checking out how much the South Seas Talisman (or the Coeurl Talisman) goes relative to the female version if you want to properly examine price differences.

Then again, it's a change that benefits female PCs to the detriment of males, so I'm sure we can expect the dev response to be "we'll consider it."

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Supply vs. Demand

The rate of acquisition is (roughly) the same for both the male and female versions, but there's more demand for the female version, ergo the price is higher. Just basic economics, and nothing in need of developer intervention.

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If the male and female versions are created using the same skill with the same materials (or equally-scarce materials) what should actually happen is more people will produce female outfits and less people will produce male outfits, making their prices roughly* similar at equilibrium.

The market isn't dumb, it doesn't go "<girl outfit> is worth 2x <boy outfit>, i'll produce a perfectly equal amount of both with my fleece and silk and lightning crystals," suppliers are going to go "oh, <boy outfit> is worth less, i'll produce less of that and more of the other thing to maximize my profits"

the real reasons for extremely inflated female outfits would either be:
-the materials or labor required is asymmetrical, ie; materials for the girl outfit are separate from the materials for the boy outfit and therefore leave the market faster
-there isn't enough skilled labor in the world to meet the demand for girl outfits
-the market being manipulated by an outside force, such as an extremely wealthy relister

*obviously, you an expect markups for the in demand item as best befits profit, but nothing as extreme as 200%

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

I don't wanna be rude here, but this ridiculous. As someone who gathers crafts and SBs to make money and constantly is looking at the MB to see what sells and what doesn't, this is just a bad suggestion, censoring the Market Board is just ridiculous at best. You're showing no understanding/thought for crafters/gatherers. If you want it so bad, pay up. Things like this cost a lot of money to get and a lot of investment goes into them.



What? And lower th CUL desynth items to half? Please, stop.

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You do realize when you desynth the fish this comes from when you get the male version you get very little gil, but if you get the female one which comes from the same fish you hit the jackpot. Now then if it was the same piece of gear for both sexes make a more even amount of money.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You do realize...

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Sorry, but I don't think you're legally allowed to say these words on this thread. Your suggestion was to censor the Market Board. Make it impossible to sell X item lower or higher because of Y's price. I don't think you realize the effect this would have on gatherers and crafters.

Now, this second suggestion of yours isn't as bad, but it's still pretty silly, because again, CUL Desynth would have fewer recipes and it would lower the prices. Do you want that? Well, of course you do! You can't pay the item you want. But I don't, most crafters don't. And if you're not a Fisher, then you shouldn't ask for changes on the classes you don't play.

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Originally Posted by Krr

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Kudos on your extensive exploration of the economics.. But the answer is a lot simpler in this case..

They come from desynths, whoever lists them has no control over what they get, and the supply is likely 50/50 between the male and female versions.. so you're basically gambling when you desynth, which is what desynth is to begin with.. No matter what item it is, there are some results that's complete crap and some that are jackpots..

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Sorry, but I don't think you're legally allowed to say these words on this thread. Your suggestion was to censor the Market Board. Make it impossible to sell X item lower or higher because of Y's price. I don't think you realize the effect this would have on gatherers and crafters.

Now, this second suggestion of yours isn't as bad, but it's still pretty silly, because again, CUL Desynth would have fewer recipes and it would lower the prices. Do you want that? Well, of course you do! You can't pay the item you want. But I don't, most crafters don't. And if you're not a Fisher, then you shouldn't ask for changes on the classes you don't play.

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All my classes and crafts and gathering are maxxed. You should look at someones profile before you try to call them out. I can easily buy the item but I won't pay 20x more then what it is worth out of principal.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

All my classes and crafts and gathering are maxxed. You should look at someones profile before you try to call them out. I can easily buy the item but I won't pay 20x more then what it is worth out of principal.

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What principal would that be?

I rarely buy glamour, especially if I feel the item is overpriced but my apprehension doesn't come from some "principal" as you put it, I'm just cheap and I don't wanna pay more than what I feel it's worth.. no matter how much gil I have..

But get this.. Your perceived value of the item may be 1/20 of what it's listed for on the MB, but if it's selling for that price, then ya know.. that's what its real value is as determined by the masses. You're welcome to determine what the item is worth to you, but you can't force upon that value onto others.. As much as I would like to.. I mean, people buying furnitures for 2-3m when the mats are worth 500k.. Yeah I'd like to do something about it but whatever, it's their money.

Back in the day of Runescape male characters wore Skirt armour because they were cheaper than the pants. Funny!

MMORPG=Most Men Online Role-Playing Girls.

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Originally Posted by Lyzern

Sorry, but I don't think you're legally allowed to say these words on this thread

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actually Zumi made this thread, and can legally say whatever (unless being offensive to ppl)
the same amount of work/time goes into making both the male and female version, so your argument about it is irrelevant; work/time-wise both pieces should cost equally, but 1 piece cost 20x more, that's what the point of the thread is. the point isn't to censor your crafting/gathering, and make it more difficult for you to make gil. I'm sure that zumi would have been ok with the whole thing, had both pieces cost 2mil.

Most guys looking for a shirtless vanity go for the tidal necklace as compared to the weird lei thing. So it does seem more people are buying the female one, in general.

80k seems like a big hit when it comes to material price, but they maybe a crafter synthed it without realizing on how bad the prices were and was like 'welp, need to get something back.' and the chain continued.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

Most guys looking for a shirtless vanity go for the tidal necklace as compared to the weird lei thing. So it does seem more people are buying the female one, in general.

80k seems like a big hit when it comes to material price, but they maybe a crafter synthed it without realizing on how bad the prices were and was like 'welp, need to get something back.' and the chain continued.

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Ti Leaf Lei can't be crafted. It's coming from desynthing the same fish that also can give you the Coronal Summer Halter.
So it is more a situation of same supply (if both have the same chance), but different demands.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Can't something be done like having 1 item if it is sellable so the gender of your character doesn't change the price. The only reason vanity gear is so much more expensive is because more people with like to dress up their female characters vs their male ones.

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If I understand correctly what you are asking here... As a result of your solution, you'll wind up with a single unisex item that STILL costs way more than you'd be willing to pay for it. Just because the halter could be worn by both males and females (with different appearance for each gender, of course) doesn't change the fact that folks with female characters will want the swimsuits. Heck, it might even be slightly MORE expensive, due to the few male characters who DO like the look buying up some of the stock that was previously only usable by females.

The item will still cost 1.6 million gil. The only difference is that you'll no longer have a cheap male version to be jealous about.

The female pieces are more expensive because women are more reckless when it comes to spending their gil... since it's not theirs. >.>

/stereotype!