Was Fishing An Afterthought?

I've never quite understood what role fishing plays in FFXIV. Like, I am about to obtain my CUL Lucis & there are only a handful of recipes that require fish & among those only 1-2 that are highly desirable.

I've heard some players suggest they have had minor success desynth fish for swim suits & what have you, but profits to be made from that pale in comparison to that of blacksmith/goldsmith.

So where is the incentive? I've heard fishers claim certain end-game fish net large profits, but who is buying them & for what? Do alchemists use fish for certain remedies?

I'd very much like to pick up this class as I think it would be fun, but I'm just not seeing the payoff compared to the other gathering professions such as botany/mining. I'd love to hear from some fishermen/women as to what keeps their bobbers in the water.

Thanks for your time!

You want to catch hq alamhigan fighting fish to mooch for assassin beta > assasin beta > ninja beta then desynth that for assassin fry minion. you can also fish up the turtle and tadpole minions. Send retainer out to fish exploration 14 for fat cats.
Sorry my kb is having issues lol.

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Originally Posted by Wulfyn

You want to catch hq alamhigan fighting fish to mooch for assassin beta > assasin beta > ninja beta then desynth that for assassin fry minion. you can also fish up the turtle and tadpole minions. Send retainer out to fish exploration 14 for fat cats.
Sorry my kb is having issues lol.

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Thanks for the reply. Minions are great & all, but they are a luxury. More of a want than need. I guess that is kind of what I am getting at, what is it fishing brings to the table that is needed in high volume to supply the economy? Botany is used heavily in culinarian recipes & alchemy. Mining is used in armorsmithing, blacksmithing, goldsmith. Fishing is useful for ???. I make a great deal of money cooking meals & listing them on the MB & none of my recipes that make large sums of money contain fish. Fishing looks like alot of fun, I'm just not convinced that it is on par with the other gathering professions & could use some love.

Fishing is luxury!!! You don't do it only for (occasional) profit. It's a hobby in the game and I love to do it casually~

While I wasn't around for FFXIV 1.0, I've heard that fishing WAS sort of an afterthought. It wasn't in the game on launch, and was added later due to demand. That's pretty much all heresay on my part, though, so take it with a grain of salt.

As for things Fishing brings to the table, Sharks immediately come to mind. There's a big demand for Shark Oil in a lot of high level recipes, particularly carpentry recipes, and Fishing and Retainer Ventures are pretty much the only reliable ways to catch sharks. Razor Clams, Rothlyt Oysters, and Finger Shrimp are all used in Bouillabaisse, possibly the most coveted of all crafting foods.

But yeah, SE has pretty much explicitly stated that Fishing is meant to be more of a hobby than a profession. You can find money in it, but it's not really what it's there for.

1.0 fishing was a lot better than what it is now for me anyway. I had the same idea from the launch of 1.0 get FSH and CUL to max but however fish had two purposes then: cooking & alchemy. Some fish were used in cooking recipe's and the fish that weren't you could use alchemy to turn them into shards/crystals, so they all had a purpose there were no "trash fish" really. Also spearfishing netted you a lot of other things that weren't fish like toads/spiders/scorpions etc, and it was quite fun to do. But now you get those through miner nodes. For me it was a lot more enjoyable and relaxing in 1.0 i'm not too fond of fishing how it is now.

You can Desynth the Legendary Fishes (Nepto, Kuno, Heli, Shoni, Nami, Endo) for Tier IV Materias. Nepto specifically will yield Det IV Materia.

I find fishing fun for a different reason. It's another one of those things where you can complain about RNG Stories just like with crafting. It also makes some good money if you know how to play the market. Even better if you are a crafter. Fish up the fishes for Zodiac Items, craft the item. Sell and profit.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

While I wasn't around for FFXIV 1.0, I've heard that fishing WAS sort of an afterthought. It wasn't in the game on launch, and was added later due to demand.....

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You heard wrong.

Fishing was in 1.0 from the beginning and better integrated financially into the game.

The financial impact of fishing in 2.0 was deliberately degraded, but somewhat restored with the later big fishing expansion.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

You heard wrong.

Fishing was in 1.0 from the beginning and better integrated financially into the game.

The financial impact of fishing in 2.0 was deliberately degraded, but somewhat restored with the later big fishing expansion.

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This. Fishing was so much better in 1.0.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

This. Fishing was so much better in 1.0.

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Atleast in 1.0 you could kinda target fish depending on depth. and you could also wear down the fish once you got a bite.
https://youtu.be/6hIoyNfqlG8?t=3m50s

And there was also spear fishing :3
I was hoping they'd bring that back. It was kinda fun :D

You basically just walked up to a small pond or water hole, and used a spear to catch a fish. It was quick but fun.

More Seafood Recipes would be Great. Additionally, the following:

• Fish Tanks
• Fish Ponds
• More Stuffed varieties Fish for the Wall

basically, we could have 2 kinds of fish: Display fish for the home, and edible fish. Obviously there's the weird Glue/special ingredient fish, but I'm just talknig about generic repeatable reasons to go fishing more frequently.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Atleast in 1.0 you could kinda target fish depending on depth. and you could also wear down the fish once you got a bite.
https://youtu.be/6hIoyNfqlG8?t=3m50s

And there was also spear fishing :3
I was hoping they'd bring that back. It was kinda fun :D

You basically just walked up to a small pond or water hole, and used a spear to catch a fish. It was quick but fun.

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I miss my militia gig so much some days. I'm happy I got the La Noscea spearfishing title before it was all taken out, it's easily the prettiest title in the game.

A friend of mine showed me some videos he took of me fishing at the waterfall in Riversmeet and I actually teared up a bit. Watching the video and the jig pattern, I can still tell exactly what fish I was catching in the video. Good memories...

I'd like to see fishing have some more to it. Maybe some skills to spend GP on or an off hand. Just something to expand on.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Atleast in 1.0 you could kinda target fish depending on depth. and you could also wear down the fish once you got a bite.
https://youtu.be/6hIoyNfqlG8?t=3m50s

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You could fish up shards too?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

You could fish up shards too?

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It was part of the gathering system with bot/min/fsh. You would get shards/crystals depending on the level of area you were getting items from along with the item itself. Most of the fish were used in alchemy recipes as well to turn into shards/crystals.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

You could fish up shards too?

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Shards, dark matter, and catalysts for melding. Like Malakai said, the fish could also be turned into shards and crystals with Alchemy. You could always see a million fish bots at Vesper Bay fishing up black sole.

Fishing pretty fun actually, for the first 10 minutes. Then I get drowsy after that.

1.0 fishing seems great compared to 2.0 snooze fest where u can technicallly just press 1 & 2 or 3 buttons to catch a fish. Everything else is weather and rng based. Where's the skill? There is none.
Also the fact that fisher "still" does not have a damn offhand tool is like wtf. Its not a warrior ( easily understandable ) its a damn fisher tht can easily have a tackle box or a fishing net/ spear or something.
This totally was rushed and made as a last attempt to make fisher happen in 2.0
If 3.0 still doesn't introduce an off hand for it, then its safe to say SE doesn't give a damn about it lol.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

1.0 fishing seems great compared to 2.0 snooze fest where u can technicallly just press 1 & 2 or 3 buttons to catch a fish. Everything else is weather and rng based. Where's the skill? There is none.
Also the fact that fisher "still" does not have a damn offhand tool is like wtf. Its not a warrior ( easily understandable ) its a damn fisher tht can easily have a tackle box or a fishing net/ spear or something.
This totally was rushed and made as a last attempt to make fisher happen in 2.0
If 3.0 still doesn't introduce an off hand for it, then its safe to say SE doesn't give a damn about it lol.

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Been saying this for a long time now.

Fsh may not be as lucrative as the others you mentioned, like cul and gsm. But there's still plenty of gil to be made if you know it well enough.
I set my retainer to bring back good selling mats every hour; Blacklip Oyster, Silver Sharks, and Red Coral.

While my retainers doing that i can go and fish up some bigger money makers. My favorite hole can pretty easily yield a fish that sells for 20k a piece on my server, around 30k for hq. I don't want to give away too many trade secrets.. although many good fishers already farm what i'm referring to. (This fish has a new groove)

Emperor Fish? Worm of Nym? Ninja Betta? :O

^ usual suspects.

Its pretty much an after thought was most evident in 2.0 before all the major patches. Most fish are junk and SE is only adding rare minions to make it desirable for people.