The Blessed

So, a thought occurs to me.

Lady Iceheart became Shiva, by allowing Shiva to enter her being and thus generating her form even though Iceheart mention's "Mother's Blessing."

Lord... I mean Midgardsormer then took away our blessing of light and gave us his instead. We have the ability to hear his thoughts, morbid though they are.

At the end of 2.55 with Minfillia able to hear Hydalyn again... would that mean she's now the vessel for Mother Hydalyn?

So... thoughts on how this may pan out come Heavensward? I'm confident Lady Iceheart will be a center antagonist again.

2.5 and 2.55 spoilers

I don't think that we have any sort of "blessing" from Midgardsormr. I imagine he's just invisible to the naked eye because of dragon magic or the like, and we just communicate with him using the echo. I do think that could be what's up with Minfillia though.

Also you should tag spoilers, just to be safe. Or edit the topic title.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

Lady Iceheart became Shiva, by allowing Shiva to enter her being and thus generating her form even though Iceheart mention's "Mother's Blessing."

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As far as we know, Ysayle only has the Echo, not the Blessing of Light. The fact that the NPCs also refer to the Echo as a blessing of Hydaelyn is what kept a lot of us from even noticing that they were different things until Midgardsormr took one away and left the other.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

Midgardsormer then took away our blessing of light and gave us his instead.

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As Mirron said, we don't know that Midgardsormr has given us anything in return for what he took (aside from his wonderful company). Remember, we heard the voice of his disembodied spirit just fine before he took the Blessing or created a new corporeal form to watch over us and see if we are truly worthy of being Hydaelyn's champion.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

At the end of 2.55 with Minfillia able to hear Hydalyn again... would that mean she's now the vessel for Mother Hydalyn?

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Not necessarily. I mean, we can't say for sure, can we, but as far as we know there's only one Blessing of Light that's been handed out right now and Midgardsormr's blocked it. All that Minfilia, or anyone, needs to hear Hydaelyn is the Echo, which she's had for some time.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

So... thoughts on how this may pan out come Heavensward? I'm confident Lady Iceheart will be a center antagonist again.

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No idea! Based on all the clues in 2.4, I figured we'd learn more about Ysayle in the conclusion. I figured we'd at least have been told whether or not she was the pawn Lahabrea and Elidibus spoke about manipulating in 2.3, and I suspected we'd get a "What have I done!?" moment if that came to light. The fact that we got nothing implies that she's only getting started, I guess.

Though, if Midgardsormr took away our blessing of light, wouldn't that mean we're no longer the Warrior of Light and are not susceptible to Primal influence? Wondering if we'll get that blessing back, in Heavensward.

As has been said several times before in the past, no, the Echo and the Blessing of Light are two separate things, which is why we can still understand Nabriales afterwards, and thus we are also still immune to Primal influence.

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Originally Posted by Mimiru_S

Though, if Midgardsormr took away our blessing of light, wouldn't that mean we're no longer the Warrior of Light and are not susceptible to Primal influence? Wondering if we'll get that blessing back, in Heavensward.

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Who is to say we aren't Middy's bitch, and have become influenced by him... blocking any primal's attempt?

Key things being... Ysayle can hear Hydalyn. Told us to see the 'Keeper of the Lake' (Middy) and to not "Squander Mother's Gift". That right there should make it clear that for whatever reason... Hydalyn and Middy see eye to eye on something. He got awaoken by Nidhogg, one of his sons. He is with us... 'waiting'.

Midgardsormr = Planet. Ishagard = Nastrond (google it) my own personal speculation, hi Nidhogg... someone hungry to eat some oath-breakers. Those damn pesky Ascians and their 'primal-influence'...

I am really looking forward to finding out more of Iceheart and Midgardsormer , why she wanted us to seek him out etc. I wonder if he told her the truth since she has the echo and can hear his voice also. She said she seeks to stop the war instead of win it for the heretics so i think she knows of the Ascian influence in Ishgard. This would also be why she calls us a blind fool for just following their orders to stop her. Midgardsormer is traveling with us now to see if we are worthy of also learning the truth perhaps just waiting for us to figure it out alone.

In any case i don't think Ysayle will turn out to be the true enemy going forward.

So, did Midgardsormr only seal our blessing, as a test? To see if we're worthy to have it and even have his aid?

If the blessing is tied to Hydaelyn and that there was an image of her looking dark/ turn into Zodiark then getting out blessing removed could be a blessing in disguise?

We are her tied to her as her warrior of light and IF she ends up being consumed by Zodiark then that might also mean that we'll then end up automatically tied to becoming Zodiark's own warrior.

It seems like the echo is a separate thing entirely and that it really is the 1st step in communicating with otherworldly beings.

I'm looking for Ysayle to become one of our closer allies as Heavensward's story deepens, even if only because we've now, somewhat, seen that the black/white dragons-bad/ishgard-good is a farce or are at least on the way there. As others have said, she sent us to Midgar and they both seem to be trying to urge us to stop the war. (Nice to see that we're getting more defined "Saint Shiva" wasn't actually in the wrong!!)

I'd like to see her be the Dravanian Beast Tribe leader for those quests. I think since she's the host for the summoned Shiva, that would make sense.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

I'm looking for Ysayle to become one of our closer allies as Heavensward's story deepens, even if only because we've now, somewhat, seen that the black/white dragons-bad/ishgard-good is a farce or are at least on the way there. As others have said, she sent us to Midgar and they both seem to be trying to urge us to stop the war. (Nice to see that we're getting more defined "Saint Shiva" wasn't actually in the wrong!!)

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They both seem to think the solution to the war is for Ishgard to be wiped out. I think she may become an ally but I think she is going to have to swing more back toward the middle. I think she is a bit too pro dravanian at this point. If anything, I think its going to be up to us to stop the war but stop it our way and in a way that unites the north rather than simply destroying one side or the other. When the Garleans come knocking I think we are going to want to have the Dravanians and the Ishgardians on our side.

Note the little prophecy from way back when when we had that lead up to 2.5 Producers blog. It said "only the Ivory Lance can pierce the Ebony mail". That is pretty clearly referring the Ishgard, not Dravania. In short, we will need Ishgard to beat the 'Ebony mail' of probably Garlamald. Its not going to be much help if its a smoking crater.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I think she may become an ally but I think she is going to have to swing more back toward the middle. I think she is a bit too pro dravanian at this point.

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I can agree with this. I think it will be up to us to show her, as Dravanian liaison,--and Ishgard--that wiping each other out is NOT the best course of action. If she is any indication then both the Dravanians and Ishgardians are zealots in their own ways.

I guess that Ysayle looked at the Ishgardians as oathbreakers and she knew that somehow Hydaelyn and Midgardsomr are on the same level (hello.... he stripped the Warrior of Light of Hydaelyn's blessing). So, she wanted to get back at the Ishgardians for mistreating Midgardsomr?
Remember that Dravanians are also a race, albeit they're not humanoid, and they live for a very long time. So, if the Warrior of Light stands for Hydaelyn and Eorzea, couldn't Ysayle stand for Midgardsomr and the Dravanians? We fight Garleans because they want to rule over us but the Dravanians are already been betrayed by the Ishgardians (for whatever reason). Now Ysayle wanted revenge against the Ishgardians for the sake of the Dravanians.

Speculations though.

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Originally Posted by elemental10

the Dravanians are already been betrayed by the Ishgardians (for whatever reason).

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The betrayal was outlined in the DRG job quests. The first Dragoon led a company to the chasm where Ishgard now stands, fought Nidhogg and ripping his eye out at a treasure.

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Originally Posted by Alberic

Before we commence, however, it is only fitting that you are edified regarding our origins. It all began a millennium past, when our forebears resided in the southern plains in humble circumstances.
The Fury, impressed by the spirit of our ancestors, decided it was meet that She make them Her own. So did She appear before Haldrath's sire, a man of courage and integrity named Thordan, and bade him lead Her people to the Promised Land─to what would become the great nation of Ishgard. Their journey brought them to a wide chasm, whereupon Thordan and his people set to building a bridge. It was then that a dark shadow descended upon them─the great wyrm Nidhogg. Heedless of his own safety, Thordan fearlessly charged at the colossal beast. Alas, he was pushed into the chasm by one of his own, a man seduced by the wyrm, and fell to his death.
Taking up his slain sire's lance, Haldrath hurled himself at Nidhogg, even as tears streamed down his face. The confrontation ended when the young man, his hand guided by Halone, landed a mighty thrust that prized out Nidhogg's eye. With a terrible roar of pain, the great wyrm took wing and fled, while jubilation reigned below.

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So yeah, this kind of shows that the black-white view we are presented from Ishgard is not completely true.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

The betrayal was outlined in the DRG job quests. The first Dragoon led a company to Nidhogg's layer, where Ishgard now stands, and attacked him, ripping his eye out at a treasure.

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Whether or not the chasm in which Ishgard stands was Nidhogg's lair remains obscure, and if you'd like to speculate that it was, that's fine, but let's hold off on claiming it as fact for now.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Whether or not the chasm in which Ishgard stands was Nidhogg's lair remains obscure, and if you'd like to speculate that it was, that's fine, but let's hold off on claiming it as fact for now.

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Ah I misread my own quote :p Edited for clarity sake.

I'll bet gil that the 'Halone' who appeared and told the early Ishgardians to go to a 'promised land' was just an Ascian stirring the pot for a long-term plan. The fact that one is (literally) behind the throne in Ishgard seems to imply that, imo.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

The betrayal was outlined in the DRG job quests. The first Dragoon led a company to the chasm where Ishgard now stands, fought Nidhogg and ripping his eye out at a treasure.

So yeah, this kind of shows that the black-white view we are presented from Ishgard is not completely true.

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What's strange is that, even though they do recognize they attacked the dragons in the first place (and provoked the war), they still think the dragons are the evil ones because Ishgard is "the holy place". These people just came out of nowhere and attacked the dravanians ffs. and they think the dravanians are the bad guys ?

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Originally Posted by Nialle

I'll bet gil that the 'Halone' who appeared and told the early Ishgardians to go to a 'promised land' was just an Ascian stirring the pot for a long-term plan. The fact that one is (literally) behind the throne in Ishgard seems to imply that, imo.

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my opinion too.

Though this "long term plan" is very likely to be urged to its end faster than expected as the Ascians acknowledged you as a serious threat now. I can sense a huge disaster striking Ishgard soon. Dragons invading might not be their first priority in the near future :p



(I do hope all of this will conclude into pacific cohabitation of Ishgardians and dravanians in their homeland.)

I wonder if they want the Ishgardians to wage war with the Dravanians (and dragons in general) because Midgardsormr (and the dragons in general as their king) is on Hydaelyn's side against them. That's be a good reason to inspire this age long war against the dragons.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

What's strange is that, even though they do recognize they attacked the dragons in the first place (and provoked the war), they still think the dragons are the evil ones because Ishgard is "the holy place". These people just came out of nowhere and attacked the dravanians ffs. and they think the dravanians are the bad guys ?

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I'm just gonna point out this has happened in real life and affects modern politics. :p

I would say we will fight ysayle one more time before we are both on the same neutral boat and we defeat/sooth nidhogg and kick some pope in the balls so hard that the ascian explodes.

As for the stipping of the blessing, it made me think more like, we already used the power of the light crystals... what about the dark ones, reseting our blessing would enable us to gather the dark crystals which are not bad as many FFs stated Warriors of the light and Warriors of the Darkness are both good guys who stop the opposing force to overwhelm the world so one time is us the good guys and another time is the warriors of the darkness. We bring balance not victory.

Side note somewhere i heard a theory that the red mask ascians might have been the warriors of darkness of yore who became corrupted.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I'm just gonna point out this has happened in real life and affects modern politics. :p

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Yeah, I forgot that >_> I should have thought of that though. It's really not the first time Square criticizes religions and politics :p

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Originally Posted by Waffilicious

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Rather than that, I think that Mid challenged us to see if we truly are a warrior of light or just a weak guy pumping every bit of power left in Hydaelyn because we can't do anything alone. Without her blessing, we're just a regular human who can resist primal temper (I think it's because of Mid's protection, or it may be the echo, I'm unclear on that), see some remnants of the past, and... that's it. No more divine protection against evil, we have to do the stuff by our own strengh.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Without her blessing, we're just a regular human who can resist primal temper (I think it's because of Mid's protection, or it may be the echo, I'm unclear on that)

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It's the Echo. I'm not aware of Midgardsormr giving anything for what he's taken aside from his occasional commentary. If he wouldn't even tag in to help out against an Ascian whilst taking our measure, I'm not expecting he's providing any assistance whatsoever until convinced.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

What's strange is that, even though they do recognize they attacked the dragons in the first place (and provoked the war), they still think the dragons are the evil ones because Ishgard is "the holy place". These people just came out of nowhere and attacked the dravanians ffs. and they think the dravanians are the bad guys ?
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Originally Posted by Mirron

2.5 and 2.55 spoilers

I don't think that we have any sort of "blessing" from Midgardsormr. I imagine he's just invisible to the naked eye because of dragon magic or the like, and we just communicate with him using the echo. I do think that could be what's up with Minfillia though.

Also you should tag spoilers, just to be safe. Or edit the topic title.

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I think one of the admins said Middy talks to you through your own tongue i.e. not the dragon language so no echo involved. Also being the Elder Dragon he is I dont think Echo would be needed for telepathy either.