Roughly Which Bahamut Raid Requires A Premade Group?

Just a quick question. I was hoping more experienced players of 2.5 and previous patches could tell me or recommend which turn of Bahamut is best done with a premade group. I know that all group content is usually better done with a premade however I don't have a premade group and not a lot of time to commit to free company or progression group searching.

Another way to put the question basically is, what is reasonably manageable in a duty finder group? Assuming an moderately communicative duty finder group.

T5, T9 and T10+ should have a premade group, you might get lucky in DF with T5 but probably not. The rest can be done in DF but will have a higher fail rate of course as opposed to say.. joining a premade farm group.

You need to complete T5 before you can enter T6-9 and then complete T9 before you can enter T10+. If you can't make a static look for learning groups in PF for the ones I mentioned above. Once you've learned all or most of the mechanics look for clear groups that don't require the win or say farm.

You can almost definitely Duty Finder wins in Turn 1, 2 and 4 for First Coil of Bahamut. I have DF'ed into Turn 5 every once in a while and the groups never win, regardless of how much I communicate what needs to be done. Twisters seem to be the ultimate downfall for DF groups because without coordination and a voice channel, I can't call out twisters on PS4 very easily unless I make a macro. That doesn't always work either.

For Second Coil of Bahamut, Turn 6 should be pretty easily DF'd. The nerfs to Turn 7 make it possible, but I wouldn't expect a one shot unless your DF has some seasoned vets in it. It is still very easy to kill each other in Turn 7. Turn 8 has a lot of mechanics that need to be monitored by everyone in the group, so unless you have a DF with very high awareness in it's players I would say Turn 8 is doubtful.

Turn 9, don't put yourself through that. Turn 9 needs coordination and communication while you are learning. There are extremely varied mechanics in Turn 9, most of which you aren't subjected to until you run Turn 9. ]

Final Coil (which will be in DF very soon), I think Turn 10 would be the only one I would feel comfortable DF'ing, but can still see some problems. There are random elements to every single turn in Final Coil, and even though the mechanics themselves are all fairly simple once you have learned them, you still have to be aware of your fellow teammates and your surroundings. 10/11 are mechanics checks, 12 is a DPS check, and 13 is mechanic checks during the 1st 2 phases, and DPS checks in the final 2 phases.

T1-4, T6, T7 can be done in DF, I wouldn't try anything else expecting a win.

Thanks for the answers! It seems to correlate with my google searching but I was hoping to find more current and relevant answers here with things like how general ilvl proliferation affected general success from say, half a year ago.

Which I did find here, and it doesn't really seem like it affected it at all. Good to know that T5 will be my cut off point before I should commit time to FC searching. That gives me a better gist of how I'll schedule my time, certainly.

Thanks again!

I expect to see lots of people defeat T10 and T11 in DF in the next few days.

T10 because it's really not too hard to learn your individual duties. Minor amount of teamwork and coordination.
T11 will be harder, but I expect a high success rate mostly, because people will run it a lot more often, as it drops carboncoat and encryped tomestone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

T5, T9 and T10+ should have a premade group, you might get lucky in DF with T5 but probably not. The rest can be done in DF but will have a higher fail rate of course as opposed to say.. joining a premade farm group.

You need to complete T5 before you can enter T6-9 and then complete T9 before you can enter T10+. If you can't make a static look for learning groups in PF for the ones I mentioned above. Once you've learned all or most of the mechanics look for clear groups that don't require the win or say farm.

---

It took me about 5 DFs attempts to complete Turn 5. In nearly every attempt, the group stuck it out for nearly an hour before calling it. One attempt (with one wipe) on Turn 6. haven't tried anything beyond that, yet, though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Docent

I expect to see lots of people defeat T10 and T11 in DF in the next few days.

T10 because it's really not too hard to learn your individual duties. Minor amount of teamwork and coordination.
T11 will be harder, but I expect a high success rate mostly, because people will run it a lot more often, as it drops carboncoat and encryped tomestone.

---

You can get carboncoats from the WoD weekly. I wouldn't be horribly surprised if Tomestones and Carboncoats (and probably carbontwines as well) become drops in WoD considering they did that for ST. If that ends up being the case then people will just spam WoD instead of T11. It's just easier, albeit more people to roll against.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sibyll

You can get carboncoats from the WoD weekly. I wouldn't be horribly surprised if Tomestones and Carboncoats (and probably carbontwines as well) become drops in WoD considering they did that for ST. If that ends up being the case then people will just spam WoD instead of T11. It's just easier, albeit more people to roll against.

---

I'm actually hoping that the tomestone gets put on the weekly as well instead of having it as a drop. It would control the flow of the upgrade materials a lot more tightly so that they don't become utterly worthless within a week or two. Not to mention, it funnels players back into the previous content so new people can catch up. Let's face it, before this weekly quest LotA was basically a graveyard because nobody was interested in such outdated content.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Docent

I expect to see lots of people defeat T10 and T11 in DF in the next few days.

T10 because it's really not too hard to learn your individual duties. Minor amount of teamwork and coordination.
T11 will be harder, but I expect a high success rate mostly, because people will run it a lot more often, as it drops carboncoat and encryped tomestone.

---

I think t11 is easier than t10 tbh. You only need 1 healer, 2 tanks and 3 DPS for T11. And people dying in t11 is less of an issue than t10.

My group carried a derp-blm through t11 about 5 times. He kept killing my partner healer lmao so I solo healed it almost every time. The last time we carried him we asked him to kill himself before tethers came out, so I wouldn't have to solo heal.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ZephyrK

It took me about 5 DFs attempts to complete Turn 5. In nearly every attempt, the group stuck it out for nearly an hour before calling it. One attempt (with one wipe) on Turn 6. haven't tried anything beyond that, yet, though.

---

Well I'm glad you had some good luck with it but I'd still say the majority of DF groups aren't going to beat it simply due to the fact that people often quit after a couple of wipes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

Well I'm glad you had some good luck with it but I'd still say the majority of DF groups aren't going to beat it simply due to the fact that people often quit after a couple of wipes.

---

This game-breaking flaw needs to be fixed.

T1-T4 is easily DF-able. Everyone is overgeared, and you'll find plenty of people spiritbonding and searching for Allaghan crafting materials that would be willing to help out.
T5 you will need help for sure. I spent several months on it before I found a good group in my server's Party Finder. From here on out overgearing doesn't guarantee a win because you will face massive disables and 1hit-KO mechanics.

T6+T7 is a crapshoot, you can get lucky and win them, but there still are some clueless people out there that can ruin your day. It only takes 1 person to wipe the entire raid in T6+T7. There are multiple ways to handle T6, so I often find people arguing about how to do it in DF.

I am having difficulty beating T8 myself. Almost no one queues for it in DF, and the people that do just want to practice / watch cut scenes / try it out, with no real intention of beating it. There are a bunch of different viable strategies here too, so it's hard to get a group of strangers to agree on how to handle the towers.

T8 and up you'll probably run into serious problems trying to get the clear on DF.

T5 can be problematic too, but it kinda has Titan HM syndrome going on in the sense that it is so outgeared + Echoed nowadays that you can have quite a few members of your party die, never get raised, and still have the others carry the fight as long as you have a core "light party" at least that knows what they are doing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kreindis

Thanks for the answers! It seems to correlate with my google searching but I was hoping to find more current and relevant answers here with things like how general ilvl proliferation affected general success from say, half a year ago.

Which I did find here, and it doesn't really seem like it affected it at all. Good to know that T5 will be my cut off point before I should commit time to FC searching. That gives me a better gist of how I'll schedule my time, certainly.

Thanks again!

---

Gear helps a lot, but the key wipe mechanics in turn 5 and 9 are instant death, so gear won't overpower those. For t5 the biggest killers are divebombs (somewhat) and twister (the most by far) I think. It is worth trying to DF through 5 still I reckon, but you should be going in with the mindset of having a few groups unable to beat it before getting it. T9 is a pretty big stopping block for DF, though, and where I'd say you'd be out of luck without PF.

Is T9 the most mechanic heavy fight in the game?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Is T9 the most mechanic heavy fight in the game?

---

So far I would say so, my static only started about a month or so ago, and we've managed to clear a a new Final coil per week and are now focusing on t13 hoping to get it down before echo comes in, T9 however gave me far more trouble way back when than any of the FCOB turns so far.

Mechanically it has a lot going on and throws a fair amount at you and people need to be aware of their surroundings/learn the bosses rotations.

Strangely enough though, t9 is relaxing now for me, it's so scripted (and with echo) that whenever I go in to help people out I just kind of zone out as its been burned into my mind and I no longer need to think about it. Same deal with titan ex.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Is T9 the most mechanic heavy fight in the game?

---

I'd say so, though T7 was up there before it was nerfed to hell and back. My static has progressed pretty quickly through FCoB as well; we struggled a bit on T10 at first, but some roster changes fixed that. Within a week, we'd cleared it. T11 took us about 3-4 days. T12 took just over a week. We've been on T13 about 3-4 weeks now (a week of which was almost completely lost due to people being out of town) and we wiped last night to enrage at 4%. -.-

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Docent

I expect to see lots of people defeat T10 and T11 in DF in the next few days.

---

Don't wanna detract from people discussing mechanics and stuff, but I should point out that you still need a preformed group to even queue for fcob. There's just no lockout and you don't have to be in n thanalan.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Is T9 the most mechanic heavy fight in the game?

---

Without question, IMO. T13 is just as difficult, but for different reasons. There are less and simpler mechanics, but everything HURTS.

All FCoB also need a premade group